Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[RescueRanger]

"Iran has no missiles"...


"Iran has NO launchers..."


"Iran has no ADS"...

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[FUB]

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[FUB]

They are removing a competitor

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[FUB]

The French are not holding back

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[dr.coomer]

200+ nukes from 1MT to 0.1 KT (enough HEU -> WGU for 30-40 tactical nukes exists)

5000 Missiles ranging from MIRVed ICBMs to TBMS (Majorly exists already)

20000 attack drones (exists already)

50 or so underground bases hosting the attack assets including air-superiority attack fighters like SU-35S + SU-57

LEO constellation of our own for targeting, tracking and narrative building like showing enemy losses on time, to defy Israeli, arabi, US censorship.

Strategic defence pacts with Russia, China based on joint economic ventures.

Extreme chokehold over Strait or Hormuz, Red Sea.

Strengthening the regional alliances with Yemen, Iraq, Hezb-Lebanon.

That will save IRI, nothing else will.

I always wondered if a network of high altitude balloons for conducting ISR and communication might be a cheaper alternative

 

[FUB]

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[hussain0216]

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Its very likely the generals were saying NO, this ground invasion is a utterly stupid idea

And as a result the Trump regime has purged multiple generals

To replace them with Hegseth type goons to approve any mad plan

 

[ety]

No sir , Russia is a wreck of her former self, she is struggling to keep her image.... China is the real deal.... it's China and Pakistan who are running the middle east theatre.

Iranian president and the national security advisor to Iran spiritual leader went to Moscow and talked to Putin about security just before and during the war. There was even reports that the former Iranian supreme leader was going to take refuge in Russia. There were no such similar arrangements with China.

 

[Yasser76]

Its very likely the generals were saying NO, this ground invasion is a utterly stupid idea

And as a result the Trump regime has purged multiple generals

To replace them with Hegseth type goons to approve any mad plan

Yup, and the head of the Chaplin Corps advises on ethics, so I guess we know why he went...

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I would say that the rare earth sanction would be the main reason for Trump to attack Iran for his bargaining chips against China.

Why Iran? You know that the real culprit here is zion... even Rubio had to come out and put it out there...

Since their nuclear arsenal also requires the rare earth for maintenance and upgrade, and China's move is killing them.

That would be an even greater folly, if not reckless. Instead US has used up precious interceptors and precision munitions that require REM's. Knowing that they wouldn't be easily replaced. Antithetical.

The US was a very good long term strategic planner during the cold war, and the post-cold war made them a bad one with full of hubris.

Well Soviet model had an expiration date built in... US helped expedite it... however it doesn't mean US was wise in going to wars all over the world... such as Vietnam. Which incidentally caused the collapse of Bretton Woods.

And Trump is the final nail to fully turn them into an one-time gambler like Israel.

There are several threads reconciling here... some of what orange did... though outlandish, was gamed and tabled. The game with fiat is, go big or go home. Guess where this is going?

 

[ParthianLord]

yea the F15 seen in the shoot down footage by Iran got confirmed downed

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[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

US now really losing the narrative war as they keep changing stories about Iranian capabilities, approaching Indian levels of disinfo. 2 days ago "75% of Iran's missile capabilities degraded" now this. At this rate Iran can go on for at least another month, the western world economies cannot.

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If they don't know the full inventory, x then what math do they they use to cut it in half?

 

[lightning f57]

Looks like this war is making a mockery of the F15, I guess its performed very well all these years but mostly against opponents that have limited means to fight back. Kuwait helping out hasnt helped either!

 

[ParthianLord]

yea the F15 seen in the shoot down footage by Iran got confirmed downed

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[Ali_Baba]

Nuking up, MIRVed ICBMs, strategic defence pacts with Russia, China, LEO constellations of our own are the answer to deter US/Israel/PGCC. There is no defense against hyperpower led alliances. Saddam tried defending. IRI would have collapsed in a week if IRGC focused on defending instead of pounding back in return with whatever they have.



OK ... so what happens if 1200 JASSM, Golden Horizons and Sparrow ALBMs, Tomahawks etc are fired in one go at 15-16 IRIAF bases hosting these hypothetical fleet? How many do you see surviving and they will do what in the war ?

Why would the fleet be on the ground waiting to be bombed ? Why wouldn't the bases be defended with proper SHORADs, and CIWS solutions to defend against JASSM and Tomahawks ? Pakistan demonstrated that you can do this quite well ( minor holes that were uncovered in Pakistan's layer in SIndoor attack will be filled..)

Why would the air force not be in the air operating with overlapping HIMAD IADS coverage, helping to shoot down those very JASSM and Tomahawks, and drones ?

I could go on, but I won't, but your attempting to frame the narrative within your framework for your scenario is illogical and other than you, I can't think of many people in this forum being in agreement with you about not having an airforce or the lack of value in having an airforce.

Iran has under invested it is air force and it has paid heavily for that, it's home grown tinker projects attempts at IADS components have either not worked, or have not been produced in mass to be able to demonstrate that they can work. Even Ukraine did better than Iran to date it seems.

Iran needs to have a better defence of its airspace so that its offensive punch of its ballistic missiles can be more effective.

The lack of a real airforce, and an effective IADS has invited a war on Iran that could have been avoided, had Iran had a better and more effective airforce and IADS setup.

How many tens to hundreds of billions of dollars of infrastructure both civilian and military has been destroyed in Iran by not being able to defend Iran's airspace? Do you want to try and calculate that? Maybe other Iranian members can if they have enough context ?