Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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[hussain0216]

Its very likely the generals were saying NO, this ground invasion is a utterly stupid idea

And as a result the Trump regime has purged multiple generals

To replace them with Hegseth type goons to approve any mad plan

 

[ety]

No sir , Russia is a wreck of her former self, she is struggling to keep her image.... China is the real deal.... it's China and Pakistan who are running the middle east theatre.

Iranian president and the national security advisor to Iran spiritual leader went to Moscow and talked to Putin about security just before and during the war. There was even reports that the former Iranian supreme leader was going to take refuge in Russia. There were no such similar arrangements with China.

 

[Yasser76]

Its very likely the generals were saying NO, this ground invasion is a utterly stupid idea

And as a result the Trump regime has purged multiple generals

To replace them with Hegseth type goons to approve any mad plan

Yup, and the head of the Chaplin Corps advises on ethics, so I guess we know why he went...

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I would say that the rare earth sanction would be the main reason for Trump to attack Iran for his bargaining chips against China.

Why Iran? You know that the real culprit here is zion... even Rubio had to come out and put it out there...

Since their nuclear arsenal also requires the rare earth for maintenance and upgrade, and China's move is killing them.

That would be an even greater folly, if not reckless. Instead US has used up precious interceptors and precision munitions that require REM's. Knowing that they wouldn't be easily replaced. Antithetical.

The US was a very good long term strategic planner during the cold war, and the post-cold war made them a bad one with full of hubris.

Well Soviet model had an expiration date built in... US helped expedite it... however it doesn't mean US was wise in going to wars all over the world... such as Vietnam. Which incidentally caused the collapse of Bretton Woods.

And Trump is the final nail to fully turn them into an one-time gambler like Israel.

There are several threads reconciling here... some of what orange did... though outlandish, was gamed and tabled. The game with fiat is, go big or go home. Guess where this is going?

 

[ParthianLord]

yea the F15 seen in the shoot down footage by Iran got confirmed downed

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

US now really losing the narrative war as they keep changing stories about Iranian capabilities, approaching Indian levels of disinfo. 2 days ago "75% of Iran's missile capabilities degraded" now this. At this rate Iran can go on for at least another month, the western world economies cannot.

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If they don't know the full inventory, x then what math do they they use to cut it in half?

 

[lightning f57]

Looks like this war is making a mockery of the F15, I guess its performed very well all these years but mostly against opponents that have limited means to fight back. Kuwait helping out hasnt helped either!

 

[ParthianLord]

yea the F15 seen in the shoot down footage by Iran got confirmed downed

 

[Ali_Baba]

Nuking up, MIRVed ICBMs, strategic defence pacts with Russia, China, LEO constellations of our own are the answer to deter US/Israel/PGCC. There is no defense against hyperpower led alliances. Saddam tried defending. IRI would have collapsed in a week if IRGC focused on defending instead of pounding back in return with whatever they have.



OK ... so what happens if 1200 JASSM, Golden Horizons and Sparrow ALBMs, Tomahawks etc are fired in one go at 15-16 IRIAF bases hosting these hypothetical fleet? How many do you see surviving and they will do what in the war ?

Why would the fleet be on the ground waiting to be bombed ? Why wouldn't the bases be defended with proper SHORADs, and CIWS solutions to defend against JASSM and Tomahawks ? Pakistan demonstrated that you can do this quite well ( minor holes that were uncovered in Pakistan's layer in SIndoor attack will be filled..)

Why would the air force not be in the air operating with overlapping HIMAD IADS coverage, helping to shoot down those very JASSM and Tomahawks, and drones ?

I could go on, but I won't, but your attempting to frame the narrative within your framework for your scenario is illogical and other than you, I can't think of many people in this forum being in agreement with you about not having an airforce or the lack of value in having an airforce.

Iran has under invested it is air force and it has paid heavily for that, it's home grown tinker projects attempts at IADS components have either not worked, or have not been produced in mass to be able to demonstrate that they can work. Even Ukraine did better than Iran to date it seems.

Iran needs to have a better defence of its airspace so that its offensive punch of its ballistic missiles can be more effective.

The lack of a real airforce, and an effective IADS has invited a war on Iran that could have been avoided, had Iran had a better and more effective airforce and IADS setup.

How many tens to hundreds of billions of dollars of infrastructure both civilian and military has been destroyed in Iran by not being able to defend Iran's airspace? Do you want to try and calculate that? Maybe other Iranian members can if they have enough context ?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

We were on this path before the Rohani administration.
Everything went wrong after that "Purple Fox" became the president.

He was the one who betrayed Huawei.

Those reformists really treat China as their biggest obstacle for them to getting cozy with the US.

 

[ShapurII]

He was the one who betrayed Huawei.

Those reformists really treat China as their biggest obstacle for them to getting cozy with the US.

Unfortunately, Iran is back to the time of the Qajar dynasty where half of our political system support the Western bloc and the other half support the Eastern bloc.

We need one group to come on top and become dominant to get out of this phase. Hopefully, this war with the United States would close this chapter for a long time but I am not very optimistic because Pezeshkiyan is still in power unfortunately.

It was another blunder of the late Khamenei and the IRGC that allowed the reformists to return to power after the Green Movement.

 

[Yasser76]

Re malaka,re malaka....because you're so obsessed with the "evil white man" and you are so prejudiced and so stuck in the time of the Crusades and British colonialism,you have the nerve,you have the audacity to accuse me of "hiding racism" and "pseudo intellectual arguments" and then you dare say "but often the mask slips"?

You don't have the balls to admit the Mongols were brutal barbarians and you accuse me of racism?

Don't tell me "bored of even engaging with you". You were the one who said "don't talk to me again" and then started reacting to my posts and replying to me.

Every sentence I say,you think I'm lying or hiding something. I don't know wtf you imagine,that I'm a jew or jewish supporter or ultranationalist sieg heil uber european or something. Your complexes are your own problem,but don't you come here slander me and say "but often the mask slips". I say things the way I would talk outside in the street,
at a cafe,at a gathering with friends. If you think I'm lying all the time and I'm actually a Moshe Silverman or whatever weird fantasy you have,that is your problem.

But the f you gonna slander me like that. You got issues with racism? Check your own racism and prejudice first. Go ahead report this post if you feel offended.

Whatever man, you have form of bringing ethnic/religious crap up in many threads, often hidden behind some lame ass political theory,

 

[PakFactor]

UNSC to vote on Bahrain’s proposal, which would authorize naval action in Strait of Hormuz​

By Nic Robertson and Mohammed Tawfeeq


Bahrain pushes for UN resolution to protect Strait of Hormuz

A draft UN Security Council resolution proposed by Bahrain would authorize countries to use “all defensive means necessary” to secure transit passage through the Strait of Hormuz, if adopted.

Two diplomats said the vote was set for Saturday morning, rather than Friday as earlier planned, according to Reuters.

A Gulf official said Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman had spoken with Russian President Vladimir Putin and that there was an expectation Russia would not block the resolution. The official added the crown prince was expected to speak with “relevant” officials in China, with the expectation Beijing would also not block it.

However, in remarks to the Security Council on Thursday, China’s UN envoy Fu Cong opposed authorizing force, reported Reuters. Such a move would be “legitimizing the unlawful and indiscriminate use of force, which would inevitably lead to further escalation of the situation and lead to serious consequences,” he added.

The draft resolution, which CNN has obtained a copy of, deplores Iran’s actions as violations of international law and warns of adverse impacts on international trade, energy security, supply chains and the global economy.

It stresses that ships and aircraft enjoy a right of transit passage through the Strait of Hormuz that “shall not be impeded.”

The draft resolution would authorize member states, acting individually or through voluntary multinational naval partnerships that notify the Security Council in advance, to use defensive measures in the strait and adjacent waters – including within the territorial waters of littoral states bordering the strait – to secure transit passage and deter attempts to close or obstruct navigation.

The authorization would last at least six months from adoption and would require quarterly reporting by participating states.

The draft calls on participating states to coordinate their actions and ensure operations comply with international humanitarian law and applicable international human rights law, while respecting third states’ navigation rights.

It also stresses the authorization would apply only to the Strait of Hormuz and would not establish customary international law.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/03/world/live-news/iran-war-us-trump-oil

 

[lightning f57]

Why would the fleet be on the ground waiting to be bombed ? Why wouldn't the bases be defended with proper SHORADs, and CIWS solutions to defend against JASSM and Tomahawks ? Pakistan demonstrated that you can do this quite well ( minor holes that were uncovered in Pakistan's layer in SIndoor attack will be filled..)

Why would the air force not be in the air operating with overlapping HIMAD IADS coverage, helping to shoot down those very JASSM and Tomahawks, and drones ?

I could go on, but I won't, but your attempting to frame the narrative within your framework for your scenario is illogical and other than you, I can't think of many people in this forum being in agreement with you about not having an airforce or the lack of value in having an airforce.

Iran has under invested it is air force and it has paid heavily for that, it's home grown tinker projects attempts at IADS components have either not worked, or have not been produced in mass to be able to demonstrate that they can work.

Iran needs to have a better defence of its airspace so that its offensive punch of its ballistic missiles can be more effective.

How many tens to hundreds of billions of dollars of infrastructure both civilian and military has been destroyed in Iran by not being able to defend Iran's airspace? Do you want to try and calculate that? Maybe other Iranian members can if they have enough context ?

The other issue is China or Russia wont get into a military pact with Iran and Irans chance of going nuclear may have passed now, whether they can do it clandenstine is debatable but they will need to leave NPT and that will bring more pressure even from allies.

They could use the nuclear card and say maybe we should make nukes to protect ourselves to push allies to provide fighter jets to defend themselves.

China wont sell flankers but the J10 will make a huge leap in capability with the PL15.