Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Ali_Baba]

@ShapurII

That is the type of precision that can only be achieved by cruise missiles, and not ballistic missiles. Lesson for all militaries watching this war.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Pipelines can easily be taken out. Case in point Nord Stream.

Wow..now you are really asking the world to gang up on Iran. It's one thing to block the strait..but now actively blowing up multiple countries oil pipelines is not good for PR.

 

[MH.Yang]

Turkey and Israel are not very farther than Iran either. Northeast of Iran is pretty far from Saudi territory. Father than many places in Turkey or even Israel.

Saudi Arabia, however, states that these developments are targeted at Iran's growing ballistic capabilities. Nevertheless, it is a measure that changes balance of power in the region and China seems fine with it.

Saudi Arabia is 1,800 km from Ankara, and the DF-21 has a range of 2,500 km. Thl took place when diplomatic relations between Turkey and China & Saudi Arabia were at a historic low.

For Iran, is there a big difference between 35 DF-3A and 35 DF-21?

 

[hasn2009]

Your air force is good against an incompetent regional power like India, but will be obliterated against the USAF and USN. You are a regional power at best.

You are right 100%, we have been investing on our airforce heavily for 80 years, but still it will be decimated within a day if it ever comes against the USA, it was made for India only
But don't you think Iran's airforce would've been decimated too if they had diverted their missile money towards the airforce?

 

[Forsvaret]

This is the flaw in Iran's war fighting doctrine, I am not convinced Iran has a doctrine from what I see both in the 12 day and now. Only military strategy they have had was to take out all the radars, beyond that, it all feels random.

Completely closing the Strait of Hormuz for international shipping, not agreeing to temporary ceasefires despite numerous offers by friendly states, not taking Trump’s threats seriously — they’re all a part of Iran’s greater strategy to permanently shift balance of power in the region.

 

[Shags101]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-says-those-who-kept-guns-from-reaching-iranian-protesters-will-pay/

Weird now he’s actually coming out and saying that weapons and terrorists were mixed in with peaceful protestors and yes Trump and Bibi were to blame for those deaths when Iranian authorities were fired upon from those crowds this was just a plain set up
@Immortals @Persian Gulf

 

[Abdul q]

Guys any update on USN trippoli, or the one the Yemen struck near Lebanon?

 

[lightning f57]

Wow..now you are really asking the world to gang up on Iran. It's one thing to block the strait..but now blowing up multiple countries oil pipelines is not good for PR.

Iran dont need to do it, Yemen can, Hezbollah can any other anti group can. In war all gos, ask your president who is doing one war crime after another.

 

[ShapurII]

You are right 100%, we have been investing on our airforce heavily for 80 years, but still it will be decimated within a day if it ever comes against the USA.
But don't you think Iran's airforce would've been decimated too if they had diverted their missile money towards the airforce?

I wouldn't say PAF would be decimated in a day. That's too exaggerated.

The situation of Iran is different. Pakistan does not face an existential threat from the USA to go against the USAF and the USN. Iran does.

If we had 500-600 jet fighters with strong IADS, the US wouldn't have been able to establish air superiority over Iran on the first day of war.

 

[SecularNationalist]

2 pigs confirmed dead in Haifa and two still oinking under the rubble. I hope they too will stop oinking. Bloody noise pollution.

Update:Ones who were oinking under the rubble are also now confirmed dead. Four less pigs to worry about.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Completely closing the Strait of Hormuz for international shipping, not agreeing to temporary ceasefires despite numerous offers by friendly states, not taking Trump’s threats seriously — they’re all a part of Iran’s greater strategy to permanently shift balance of power in the region.

I agree - the asymmetric part of Iran's strategy is working, but the conventional part ie ballistic missiles doing real damage as part of an actual strategy against Israel is not work at all.

 

[Immortals]

but we are going easy on Israel for some reason and it's dangerous.

Let’s do a thought expeirment:

A) Iran is going easy on Israel because of internal politics or IRGC planning

B) iran is going easy on Israel because it simply can’t strike Israel hard

It’s one of these two options. If it’s A then that means it can strike Israel hard as we have seen with the Dimona strikes two weeks ago. So it retains the capability and thus likely will use it when they want.

If it’s B then no amount of complaining will change the facts, will it?

Hence we can only wait and see either way. I also know there is severe censorship on military targets inside Israel. Many strikes don’t get reported as either intercepted or hit. No satellite imagery is released by anyone. This will come out once the war is over.

 

[ShapurII]

By such logic Ukraine should be in the Stone Age and have no lights on.

It’s very hard to permanently put a country’s energy installations out of commission for a long time.

People don’t understand this and think a bomb or two or three means game over on installation facilities that are the size of small towns.

If my memory serves me well, at its peak, the Russians damaged barely 60% of Ukraine's grid. They didn't fully obliterate it, but damaged it.

But even then, people had 8-hour and 10-hour power cuts in Kiev.

Russia didn't act like a genocidal state in Ukraine. They did hit civilian infrastructure, but nothing like what Israel or the US would do to Iran.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yes, which is why it's bad for Iran. Because after a certain amount of time, a global consensus will be formed against Iran and we may get involved in a much more serious war than now with more countries fighting against us.

Our Strait of Hormuz card should not be overplayed. We are already allowing most countries to pass through the strait anyway, and some of them for free. This shows that we cannot afford to play this card indefinitely.


It is highly likely that there will be an economic shock and global recession in the near future. I don't disagree with it.


I am actually quite satisfied that we are rejecting off-ramps. This is the kind of war that we should fight it to the end, but we are going easy on Israel for some reason and it's dangerous.

Iran is not going easy on israel. Their interceptors are depleting. When they further deplete and the war becomes intensive as time goes on, Iran will unleash hell on israel with newer, more advanced deadlier missiles especially if they continue to mass bomb civilian and energy targets. Iran doesn't want to use all it's cards right now. Patience is the key. Right now, Iran must expedite the development of several nuclear weapons devices.

 

[SecularNationalist]

The American extraction team deployed A-10s and MQ9 Reaper drones to create a 3 km radius around the pilot so locals could not get close to him.

Shoulder missiles are the solutions to deal in such a situation.