Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[UKBengali]

The nerve is not in question, but the infrastructure of the country will not be kept up and running through nerve



Don't take this as endorsing the loss of leverage, I don't even understand why a temporary cessation to explore a satisfactory end would be a loss of leverage.....
everyone is losing their marbles, you can have a go at discussions, maybe two days maybe four days, and then get back to where you were if it does not work out.


It is obvious now anyway that this will need more than one round to come to a conclusive end, the main point here is you don't let things escalate into apocalyptic spirals

The hold on the choke points has been established by Iran, so they can do it again after a day or three.

There is no satisfactory end to this but the total end of Iranian sovereignty according to Zio-US.

Zio-US wants a ceasefire as Iran is hurting them badly.

Zionist pilots and planes are literally worn out and ABM interceptors are running very low.

Iran has to keep going till it causes catastrophic damage to Zionist infrastructure in Palestine and that’s the only way this war will end for good.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[baqai]

To all my Pakistani brothers, let's be honest here. The only reason you think this ceasefire is a good deal is because your country is involved in this. No problem I would maybe feel the same as you. But from an Iranian POV I don't understand how you can take this. Please put yourself in our shoes.

If you see my previous posts i have said this that ceasefire would almost always result in Israel/USA breaking it we cannot trust them or the lunatic tweeting, as you mentioned we have our own interests, we are trying to mediate a situation which is win win for both the parties sue us if you think that's a bad thing to do

Unless we can develop and test a nuke uninterrupted, I don’t see how a ceasefire could be favorable to us.

i think you guys might be slightly late for that, should have done it way back when AQ Khan offered, but i guess no use crying over split milk now

 

[clutch]

Pakistan is stuck between a rock and a hard place: the vote abstention on the UAE proposed resolution on opening the Strait of Hormuz proves that.

Pakistan’s actions prove it is truly playing a neutral role in the region: it is neither pro/anti-Iran, or pro/anti-Saudi or pro/anti-US. That is the fact.

That is why it gains the respect of all stakeholders in the region to act as the mediator.

Pakistan is truly non-aligned in its approach, when it comes to Iran, Saudi Arabia or the US.

If Pakistan was acting at the behest of Saudi Arabia or the US, it would have been directly involved against Iran. It has made an active effort not to get involved, even though I am sure they must have been given huge financial incentives and possibly other reasons to join the conflict against Iran.

Hence, one can conclude that Pakistan’s non-aligned approach and asking for a ceasefire is truly neutral.

The only country Pakistan is perfectly aligned with China. Iran made a strategic blunder not aligning closer with China, and this is where Iran could have learned from Pakistan. Top Chinese military technology for Iran would have helped Iran significantly for this war, and they would not have incurred as many losses if they had access to the best Chinese technologies.

Pakistan has been playing a major role as mediator and facilitator for peace. It should get the recognition it deserves. It is walking a fine line between it's eternal neighborhood and other offshore neighbors between two it has long term interests.

I hope Iran and GCC recognize Pakistan's mature and responsible role. Both these groups have abused Pakistan and the citizens of Pakistan in favour of the backstabbing coward pro-zionist Hindutva India.

Remember this GCC and Iran... And never forget!

 

[RealNapster]

To all my Pakistani brothers, let's be honest here. The only reason you think this ceasefire is a good deal is because your country is involved in this. No problem I would maybe feel the same as you. But from an Iranian POV I don't understand how you can take this. Please put yourself in our shoes.

Agreed. But Iran need breathing space. If it could attack with like 50+ missiles in each salvos on Israel, it would be doing so. But all we are seeing is 1-2 missiles in each salvos. This shows Iran is not in a position to put too much damage and resistance to Israel currently. More than Pakistan and the world, you need time. You need time to strengthen yourself. There is no doubt that they will be back. But they can either attack you in 3 hours or 14 days , what would you choose ?

 

[Falcon29]

Should've added
Arabs also have no value for Arab life...

No they do. Arabs are a large ethnicity spread among many nations.

I reposted his reply to emphasize second point he made not first

 

[hasssanali8998]

"expats" in GCC

lmao remember the posters in uae

"everyone is Emirati "

 

[Shags101]

It is as if Pakistan's good will and previous statements ultimately does not mean much, I understand the stakes are high but so are the costs.

You do realize that to remain as an interlocutor you have to have good offices with all relevant parties and sometimes you need to signal to them that you are getting their message across as well, talk about a thankless task, in this context


What about all of the previous statements made in favor of Iran before?


Also if there is a ceasefire and the Americans or the israelis look as if they are breaking it then Iran would be entitled to continue to retaliate, Pakistan is trying to broker an agreement, they are obviously in no capacity enforcing anything, so the aim is to come up with just some formulation that allows a lasting peace.

Just some formulation that works, that is it

I think Pakistanis are being tremendously goodwilled that perhaps you should allow yourself to accept this.

Hey just my 2 cents but Israel and trump will break it and nothing to be gained for Iran at this point

 

[Falcon29]

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This is Israel. That is why Iran shouldn't wait for Trump's deadline and respond befittingly to Israel now.

Idk what they're waiting for.

 

[UKBengali]

Agreed. But Iran need breathing space. If it could attack with like 50+ missiles in each salvos on Israel, it would be doing so. But all we are seeing is 1-2 missiles in each salvos. This shows Iran is not in a position to put too much damage and resistance to Israel currently. More than Pakistan and the world, you need time. You need time to strengthen yourself. There is no doubt that they will be back. But they can either attack you in 3 hours or 14 days , what would you choose ?

Zio-US is desperate for ceasefire to benefit them and not Iran.

Iran is doing fine with launching 15 to 20 missiles a day at the Zionist entity and around a quarter are now landing and causing damage as ABM depletion is now in full swing.

 

[Starlord]

Exactly. These people are forming human chains because they want to protect their infrastructure, because they love their country.

Tell the "expats" in GCC or Israel to do the same. See how many of them will show up to save their infrastructure.

Israeli's run from occupied land as soon as bombs start landing, GCC Arabs are much involved in luxuries of world, hence they want America to do the protection while they build shinny buildings and palaces while their princes and princesses are having wild exotic parties on yachts.
Its the poor and determined people who don't take whatever Allah has given them for granted they go out despite knowing the risk, don't expect anything from Arabs. They show more concern for Oil than Dead Palestinian children.
But America/Israel should be last people to show any concern for Iranians, if they are so concerned then stop the war, its totally in the hands of Americans to back off and literally less than a week later SoH will be open.

 

[Master Chief]

Oil price plummeted over the last 3-4 hours. Cannot seemingly be explained away purely as a quick "dump" prior to buying. It seems that at least the signals on a ceasefire of some kind are genuinely being accepted by the markets.

 

[Sal12]

Shahbaz Sharif is humiliating himself by begging Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz on behalf of the Americans.

This is no mediation. He is literally turning into a Saudi/American/Zionist mouthpiece.

Iran is now acting like Iraq during the First Gulf War. Iraq had a powerful military at that time, but its overconfidence led to its downfall. After the First Gulf War, Iraq never recovered and became a shadow of its former self, even though it sits on huge oil reserves.

If everything is destroyed, Iran will take ages to recover if it ever recover, while it cannot inflict comparable damage on Israel, the US, or the Gulf countries. In contrast, those countries would recover very quickly compared to Iran.

Iran has proved its point. Now its time to cool things otherwise this rhetoric will not take Iran anywhere.

 

[baqai]

I also want to have 10 billion dollars in my bank account.

ironically we are still mentally associated with USD, i would suggest change it to Yaun

 

[Immortals]

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