Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Starlord]

Did they not tell her what UAE is doing in Sudan, Somalia, Yemen and other places, or she choose to be a stupid liar with straight face?

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Did she also offer her sister to Epstein ? rich coming from a Emirati' about funding proxies when they are doing so for years, and recently even saw their relationship getting sour with KSA because of that. UAE and Israel they both lie with confidence, no wonder they are both allies.

 

[Professor Jiang]

Iran is being unreasonable here. Iran blocked Strait of Hormuz itself for weeks and stopped the tankers of other Gulf nations leaving out of strait unless they paid the toll tax while Iranian tankers keep moving in/out of Strait without any restriction during the period.
Iran and US both are stubborn. The region will have serious consequences If Iran acquires nuclear weapons and/or start charging the toll tax which is against the international law as strait of Hromuz is not man's made.

The toll worked out as $1 per barrel of oil, and ultimately left the Strait open for ships to pass so long as they weren't associated with the US and Israeli war on Iran. The blockade meant that *no* ships could pass. Even Total said that they'd rather have a toll system than a total blockade.

The US blockade is nowhere near the same thing as the Iranian toll system.

 

[Abdul q]

Did they not tell her what UAE is doing in Sudan, Somalia, Yemen and other places, or she choose to be a stupid liar with straight face?

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This is the worst epstein islander… i just can’t even stand her dirty face …. F***ing psychopath filth

 

[nervouscar]

Bro, I don't think you realise the limitations of Pakistan's capabilities. They're average at best, and at worst...I'd rather not say it.
We have always been India centric, whilst ignoring the real threat. As of today, it'd be in Pakistan's interest to avoid this conflict at all costs.

If some how pakistanis are able to drag china or NK into direct conflict with mainland usa ,and at the same time launch ground offensive into israel from lebanon with iranian missile support on north israel. Maybe a condition can be imposed on concurr forces to retreat.(i know i sound too fictional but what else one can do)

 

[Starlord]

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Totally agree with Iran here, cause if you want to negotiate than lift the blockade, when Iran agrees to open SoH, American blockade is against the ceasefire agreement, I think its the Israeli's who sell trump this strategy to choke Iran's maritime borders to extract more concessions or complete surrender. Israel knew that hitting Iran during ceasefire to sabotage is will bring more criticism, hence they use their snakes like Kushner and Witkov to whisper BS to Trump.

 

[Abdul q]

Iran is being unreasonable here. Iran blocked Strait of Hormuz itself for weeks and stopped the tankers of other Gulf nations leaving out of strait unless they paid the toll tax while Iranian tankers keep moving in/out of Strait without any restriction during the period.
Iran and US both are stubborn. The region will have serious consequences If Iran acquires nuclear weapons and/or start charging the toll tax which is against the international law as strait of Hromuz is not man's made.

It would have been until USA terrorists attacked their ship

 

[Frogen]

Iran is being unreasonable here. Iran blocked Strait of Hormuz itself for weeks and stopped the tankers of other Gulf nations leaving out of strait unless they paid the toll tax while Iranian tankers keep moving in/out of Strait without any restriction during the period.
Iran and US both are stubborn. The region will have serious consequences If Iran acquires nuclear weapons and/or start charging the toll tax which is against the international law as strait of Hromuz is not man's made.

It's easy for an outsider to think that way, but it's pretty unfair to the Iranian people. If the US and Japan ever dared to launch missile strikes against Xi Jinping and the top Chinese leadership, I can guarantee you that every single Chinese nuke would be launched immediately. They'd make sure the only people left alive in the US are mutants.

 

[krash]

It wont be an issue simply because usa is self sufficient in oil

The US is not self-sufficient in oil by any means. Neither do global oil prices work that way.

 

[RealNapster]

Now the EU too? Turkey up next?

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Now, will turkey stop the oil supply to Israel from Azerbaijan through its land ?

 

[Immortals]

By Iran's reformists you mean Mojtaba Khamenei? As obviously speaker, foreign minister etc can't make any decision without supreme leader and IRGC approval.

Also its them the supreme leader / IRGC who decided to accept ceasefire. I don't understand how any other reformist can do a thing in Iran's power structure.

Reformist is a broad term that includes several groups that want detente with the U.S, even at great national security cost.

This includes the elite classes, Bazaaris, pragmatists, and liberals, and even some elements of IRGC believe it or not. Mojtaba himself visited England a few times, so you cannot even begin to compare him to his father who never left the country as the Supreme Leader let alone visited a colonial western nation.

 

[Sal12]

There is no reason to restrict passage toll solely to manmade straights.

Also, the Canal of Suez was first created by the Achaemenids of Persia, and later was revived and expanded by the French and the Brits. Using your logic, Egypt should allow free passage there too, or give the toll money to Iran, UK and France.

Suez Canal is man made while Strait of Hormuz is not.

Tankers are free to pass without any restriction (toll tax) in Strait of Hormuz like Strait of Malacca, Strait of Gibraltar etc as per law otherwise all the nations will start charging toll tax in world who are around the straits.

 

[Immortals]

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[Master Chief]

Iran is being unreasonable here. Iran blocked Strait of Hormuz itself for weeks and stopped the tankers of other Gulf nations leaving out of strait unless they paid the toll tax while Iranian tankers keep moving in/out of Strait without any restriction during the period.
Iran and US both are stubborn. The region will have serious consequences If Iran acquires nuclear weapons and/or start charging the toll tax which is against the international law as strait of Hromuz is not man's made.

Let us leave aside the problem with selective application of "international law" for one moment, just to entertain your thoughts further.

Here is a summary (mine, not AI) what International Maritime Law actually permits in this situation:

Within 12 nautical miles perpendicular to a national coastline, nations can apply the limitation of "innocent passage" upon transiting vessels (NOT "freedom of navigation", which exists beyond that distance).

"Innocent passage" allows a nation to impart reasonable security measures upon transiting vessels, including boarding, blocking, and being recompensed for said security. Iran is actually within its maritime rights to exert conditions of transit withing 12 nautical miles perpendicular to its coastline.

Indeed, it is USA that has clearly and unequivocally engaged in piracy here.

 

[ShapurII]

Suez Canal is man made while Strait of Hormuz is not.

How does this refute what I said? The Canal of Suez was not built by the Egyptians. It was first built by the Achaemenids of Persia, and later was revived and widened by the French and the British. So, if anything, the toll should go to Iran, the UK and France.
Why is Egypt taking the toll? They didn't build it. They had nothing to do with its existence.

Tankers are free to pass without any restriction (toll tax) in Strait of Hormuz like Strait of Malacca, Strait of Gibraltar etc as per law otherwise all the nations will start charging toll tax in world who are around the straits.

State that law. What law is it?

 

[Starlord]

Now, will turkey stop the oil supply to Israel from Azerbaijan through its land ?

Turkey's leader Erdogan is becoming a bigger Embarrassing than Modi. Unfortunate to see but its true.