I don't know man,it feels like the forum changed

SpadeOfAces said:
This forum is corporate and sanitized now. It doesn't have a community feel anymore, it just feels like a bureaucratic machine going through the motions.
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Disagree here, my only objection is lack of consistency by mods. Some are very fair and they go out of their way to explain their decisions and only act after giving warnings.

Others, well, we know the story here....
 
Yasser76 said:
Disagree here, my only objection is lack of consistency by mods. Some are very fair and they go out of their way to explain their decisions and only act after giving warnings.

Others, well, we know the story here....
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OP and others are touching on a deeper issue which goes beyond moderation.
 
SpadeOfAces said:
This forum is corporate and sanitized now. It doesn't have a community feel anymore, it just feels like a bureaucratic machine going through the motions.
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Bureaucratic machines morph into institutions and institutions last longer than individuals.
 
mythbuster said:
Bureaucratic machines morph into institutions and institutions last longer than individuals.
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Just like Capitalism, this sounds good in theory, but hardly translates into real life results. An institution doesn't have to be soulless or cold, otherwise it turns elitist and anti-nature.
 
The world completely burning up with every established norm down the drain...

"Aaah.. the days of old PDF...""

It was never "good old days" - it was always some issue and another - so long as the the issues were aligned with your worldview you are happy, and when they are not you're not happy and its "good old days".
 
Thread should be merged with similar threads on the topic of leaving the forum.
 
Foinikas said:
It's been weeks and weeks now that I've been thinking of leaving this place. I'm not sure yet,but every day I feel more encouraged to just up and leave.

For me,being the only greek here is kind of a weird thing. I mean,it was my choice to come on PDF in 2021,but last year or so ...it feels like "wtf am I doing here" for me,personally.

A few things that have been bugging me,in no particular order:

  • You have Fatman now rushing to lock threads asap,often without hearing someone's reasoning. Fatman will just lock a thread,assuming it's trolling or has no valid source or whatever he thinks is wrong with it. At the same time,there's a gazillion "China so super" threads every day by the same people who have been spamming literally 5-10 threads almost daily on PDF that all revolve on pure propaganda reasons.
  • Then you have the merging of threads. If your thread managed not to get locked,it will most probably be merged with some other already existing megathread with hundreds or thousands of pages. I sat down to translate and post photos about the Greek Tank Trials of the '90s,that was supposed to be a seperate thread for the information value and historical and technical data and it disappeared,merged to the European military thread.
  • I've noticed a kind of tendecy the last year,MMM-E is allowed to go rampant on provocative posts,his usual nationalist,superiority complex rants and to go on with endless post spamming of literally the same things,the exact same things. The same lists,the same photos,the same quotes,the same boasting. And when I engage him,I'm the one who gets infractions and posts deleted(not always,but most of the time). Nobody puts that guy back in his place. He used to get banned a lot,sometimes for a week,sometimes for a month. Now it's ok,he can just spam the same nonsense. They tell me to report,I report,then they tell the report button isn't a toy or whatever.
  • You got hyperman adding a "lol" every time he comments on something or replies. Like trolling you. Like being OCD "lol look at Greece" and "lol,they are desperate","lol relax","lol lol lol. Repeatedly told you to stop that hyperman,as it comes across as you being a dick and is disrespectful. Meanwhile hyperman is the guy who will derail a thread to pieces and a few pages later will warn you to stop derailing the thread.
  • Then comes something I've figured out a long time ago about PDF,it's interesting and also kind of sad or disappointing(for me at least): Pakistanis are always extremely reluctant to take a clear stance in threads concerning Greece-Turkey or Greece-Cyprus. Apart from the random ertugrul fan who might jump to say something like "cyprus should belong to turkey becos muslims",I've noticed Pakistanis,even the ones I get along with very very well,are extremely reluctant to comment or even press a like in something that could be considered a "pro-Greek" argument. I mean,you can see a dozen guys reading the thread,nobody will dare go against any Turkish position,I guess as not to offend their "brothers". Of course if one simply does not agree then shouldn't,I'm only saying I've seen Turks agree with me more against other Turks than Pakistanis themselves arguing with any Turks.
  • No PM function. Why does the forum still not have a PM function?
  • Having certain people not being able to make up their minds if I'm a zio-zio or not. I'm tired of having to go through the same vile accusations and bullshit every time I pose an even mildly "what if arabs/muslims/palestinians/iranians/aliens did something nasty to the yahood as well" question. There's always a few people who will jump and say "you lying zio secret fake greek genocide supporter masks have fallen we know your kind" etc etc

Anyway,just some thoughts I wanted to get out.
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Pdf is no longer the same as it used to be.
Megathreads are echo chambers of some retards with only few members contributing positively and moderators are very biased in their moderation.
 
LittleFish said:
Oh man stay here please, I cannot imagine the forum without you filled up with “Turkey is a hyperpower, Ottoman is reviving, beating China, flipping off US, pissing off Europe blah blah”:cry::cry::cry:.
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LOL, Good riddance, one less blind hardcore China hater here.
 
Foinikas said:
At the same time,there's a gazillion "China so super" threads every day by the same people who have been spamming literally 5-10 threads almost daily on PDF that all revolve on pure propaganda reasons.
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Propaganda? those are real things happening right now and China is indeed a place where wonders being made in daily basis, if you little greece had any amazing stuff happened which are worth posting at all, please do. No one will stop you.
 
HH-9A said:
Old school forums are in declination for many years. New generations prefer social media and chat groups instead of legacy BBS, forums.

A lot of forums booming 20 + years ago are no more today. Some survivors see their daily activities miserable. PDF performs relatively well, so maybe the growing popularity discomforts you.
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I’ve actually been meaning to ask some of the senior members here about this, particularly regarding the early days of Pakistani internet. A month ago, I needed some advice about my lawn and remembered Pakistan Gardening Forum, only to discover that the place has been a ghost town for years. I wanted to start a thread about this in the Members Club.

I also distinctly remember a website dedicated to updates and news on the Pakistani aviation sector, which has since shut down. It used to be very well researched (not History of PIA), but I can’t recall its name for the life of me in order to look it up on the Internet Archive.

Another thing, Google shutting down Panoramio was honestly heartbreaking.

The quality of discussions on the Pakistani internet has taken a nosedive since the rise of centralized social media platforms. And don’t even get me started on the brain-rotting, trite, banal, asinine (and deserving of many more adjectives) short-form content—TikTok, YouTube Shorts, Instagram Reels, etc. It honestly makes me sad to see this decline in the quality of online discourse, or the complete lack thereof, particularly among my generation (Gen Z, though I'm on the older side of it).

Tagging some members here. I understand you fine gentlemen have busy schedules, so please don’t feel obliged to reply. I also hope I am not being out of line by tagging senior members and mods. Maybe someone with a better understanding of this matter than me can start a thread on this. I have nothing to say to the OP that hasn't already been said in this thread.

@Oscar​

@Fatman17​

@RescueRanger​

@hasssanali8998
@kimjongun
@ghazi52
@Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
I actually wanted to tag many more but I don't want to bring bring any undue attention this rant thread so I'll i refrain.




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