PAF F-16 | Discussions

[Toxic]

i dont know man... there are very trustworthy people on this forum, who i speak to regularly and were deeply involved and just within the last few years, some of the stories i heard have been horrifying... asking to send classified stuff over gmail...etc... Also, i know for a fact of a data breach into PaC by a french hacker which was not talked about by anyone or anywhere. I only found out about this because a close asssociate of mine mentioned it to me and i tried to get access to it to report it but he realised i was Pakistani...

I think that's why NASTPs primary focus should have been cybersecurity and Software development rather then the do it all contractor/property scheme it is right now.

right now we have multiple SOEs competing against each for the same things.

 

[Ak01]

'muh training and infrastructure'.

btw this is the mentality of the jeets that continues to get them whacked.

it was the "Muh training and infrastructure" that has been consistently the ONLY reason the PAF is able to hold its own. I dont know why you write this off so easily, without this the PAF would be no different to any other force comprised of retards, like the Arabs, Africans or Indians.

 

[MirageV3ff]

i wouldnt be shocked if half of Indian BDA was a result of self published videos from the Pak armed forces members...

It's not crazy to assume something like that happened. Infact I think it may have happened. RAW may have infiltrated. Not too long ago you had targetting killings taking place in Pakistan and all of them were associated with Kashmiri and Khalistani resistance.

 

[Ak01]

I think that's why NASTPs primary focus should have been cybersecurity and Software development rather then the do it all contractor/property scheme it is right now.

tbh at some point we just gotta accept the fact that we're retarded. My highschool had stricter controls on electronic devices than the PA had during sindoor.

 

[Ak01]

It's not crazy to assume something like that happened. Infact I think it may have happened. RAW may have infiltrated. Not too long ago you had targetting killings taking place in Pakistan and all of them were associated with Kashmiri and Khalistani resistance.

Absolutely, i do personally believe the forces, including our nuclear ones have been deeply infiltrated, kinda like the Iranians. Theirs was for different reasons, ours was probably just a case of bobs and money.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Though, im sure it will happen.

Why do you think that will happen? I'm really curious. As you said, the F-16V's SABR shares 95% software commonality with the F-35's APG-81, .
The only reason I feel this happens is that the US would not want to give up the bargaining chip it gets because of F-16s
but even this reason isn't strong enough to justify risking the F-35's software security,
not to mention the budget.

Don't get me wrong, I love F-16s, but I think we should not upgrade them anymore and replace them in the 2040s.

 

[Toxic]

tbh at some point we just gotta accept the fact that we're retarded. My highschool had stricter controls on electronic devices than the PA had during sindoor.

TBF Indians also had their moments too like providing a 2 minute video of the MIG 29 wreckage courtesy of that BSF soldier.

A thought popped up in my head, if the Americans know just about everything about our nuclear program and have been chirping about ICBMs so It likely means we actually have been developing ICBMs

 

[side-winder]

i dont know man... there are very trustworthy people on this forum, who i speak to regularly and were deeply involved and just within the last few years, some of the stories i heard have been horrifying... asking to send classified stuff over gmail...etc... Also, i know for a fact of a data breach into PaC by a french hacker which was not talked about by anyone or anywhere. I only found out about this because a close asssociate of mine mentioned it to me and i tried to get access to it to report it but he realised i was Pakistani...

The internal networks are air-gapped. The commons ways to get a data breach from confidential stuff is either through smart phones / any other Internet device or a USB which can be used to inject malwares to affect the network / data availability or integrity OR just compromised individuals.

The SOPs now are much more strict than how they were around the time of swift retort when keeping smart phones inside tech areas and meetings was a common thing.

But loopholes are there and there is always room for improvement - can't deny that - but that shit happens all over the world including the countries like US

 

[MirageV3ff]

Why do you think that will happen? I'm really curious. As you said, the F-16V's SABR shares 95% software commonality with the F-35's APG-81, .
The only reason I feel this happens is that the US would not want to give up the bargaining chip it gets because of F-16s
but even this reason isn't strong enough to justify risking the F-35's software security,
not to mention the budget.

Don't get me wrong, I love F-16s, but I think we should not upgrade them anymore and replace them in the 2040s.

2040s is still a long time away. More than a decade. And vipers are already at the edge of obsolescence. Unless you are planning to phase them out with J-10s in the next upcoming years, fine but it's not looking like the case.

At best I think we will see upgrades or maybe even new airframes of F-16s. And J-10s as well. Operating a mix of both for the foreseeable future.

I hope we do get SEAD/DEAD and Strike capable armament for F-16s. May not compare with the J-10 in A2A but is easily the better strike and DEAD mission aircraft

 

[MirageV3ff]

Absolutely, i do personally believe the forces, including our nuclear ones have been deeply infiltrated, kinda like the Iranians. Theirs was for different reasons, ours was probably just a case of bobs and money.

South Asians and their lust for bobs and money. You don't even have to try and immediately you'll have 2 terabytes worth of information. I'm not exactly what the hell is ISI and MI doing about this. Part of the job is making sure espionage and breaches in security doesn't happen

 

[Toxic]

The internal networks are air-gapped. The commons ways to get a data breach from confidential stuff is either through smart phones / any other Internet device or a USB which can be used to inject malwares to affect the network / data availability or integrity.

The SOPs now are much more strict than how they were around the time of swift retort when keeping smart phones inside tech areas and meetings was a common thing.

But loopholes are there and there is always room for improvement - can't deny that - but that shit happens all over the world including the countries like US

In case of the Americans it took a state wide effort from China but in our case any amateur can come in a steal confidential Data.

 

[Ak01]

Why do you think that will happen? I'm really curious. As you said, the F-16V's SABR shares 95% software commonality with the F-35's APG-81, .
The only reason I feel this happens is that the US would not want to give up the bargaining chip it gets because of F-16s
but even this reason isn't strong enough to justify risking the F-35's software security,
not to mention the budget.

Don't get me wrong, I love F-16s, but I think we should not upgrade them anymore and replace them in the 2040s.

logically, it makes the most sense.

The PAF still has a TON of airframes to replace. We tend to get starry eye'd when talking about j-10s and J-35's, but we forget, the PAF still operates F-7's, F-7PG's and Mirages.

While we talk about longer ranged BVRAAM's, a significant portion of the PAF fleet still does not have access to any BVR capability. We're putting lipstick on a pig here.

The F-16 fits in well here. Used airframes can be bought DIRT cheap. Esp now the F-35 phasing out some F-16's, the US is also adding tons to the boneyard every year. Including PW engine variants.

Now imagine you're a PAF decision maker. You can pick up F-16s on the cheap, as EDA's etc, and with an upgrade, have a top of the line fighter, one your techs, your pilots, your instructors and your facilities is intimately familiar with. You can also get them now. EDA F-16s could be refurbed and sent over in months and pressed into service basically immediately.

Aside from this, the US and KSA alongside other partners like Turkey kinda have a vested interest in ensuring the PAF is able to integrate well and easily into their networks. The PAF still maintains quite alot of coalition and international exercise work. If we consider the SMDA for example, an F-16 deployment made sense because it could be integrated into Saudi networks immediately reducing the risk of blue on blue in these tense situations.

I also now think the PAF has played this game very well. We used F-16s to pound terrorists in Afghanistan, then deployed them to protect Saudi interests, which are by extension global and US interests too, this now allows the PAF to make the case that they are not being procured SOLELY for a counterbalance to India, but for coalition work, counterterrorism and also then India. If you look up a DSCA notice, the PAF's F-16s always were pitched from the counterterrorism angle... Its whats needed to be done to prevent hissy fits in certain countries.

Also, now with the Saudis seeing the deployment, i wouldnt be shocked if they bankrolled some of this...

 

[hasssanali8998]

ISI and MI doing about this.

threatning judges/politicians ofcourse ,what else

I hope we do get SEAD/DEAD and Strike capable armament for F-16s.

imagine our own wild weasel squadrons

 

[MirageV3ff]

threatning judges/politicians ofcourse ,what else

imagine our own wild weasel squadrons

The fall needs to be studied. Fr

Also on topic of wild Weasel squadrons. If Vipers don't come to fruition, JF-17s could be used for such a role.
This image of a Jeff is an example. 2x CM-400, 2x SD-10. Would need a targeting pod or an EW pod but it's pretty much there

 

[Raider 21]

Sure, but by no means were these PAF's first choice

According to the pilot who evaluated it, they wanted it as a priority even ahead of Mirage 2000