PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[That_Guy]

That's when you escalate to nuclear strikes. Use it or lose it will come into play. The war of attrition led to development of nukes.

A nuclear strike means the end of both nations, if not the entire world.

 

[Expert]

It has nothing to do with showing ‘mercy’ & it has everything to do with fearing the cost is escalation. How many more innocent Pakistanis would have died & what impact on our already fragile economy would have occurred in 2019 and / or 2025 if these conflicts had gone full scale? And for what? The border would still be the same at the end.
Admittedly the fear of escalation would be less pronounced if our economy was stronger which goes some way to explaining the Indian belligerence on this issue but then they are 7 x bigger too.
Pakistan defended itself with tact, bravery and honour & gave a far bigger / stronger adversary a bloody nose while minimising cost as far as possible.

There are more Pakistani get killed in week in hands to afghan terrorist compared to may conflict.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Of course, however, India and Israel against Pakistan is the scenario Pakistan needs to prepare for. And when Israel is involved, the US will get involved indirectly, even unwillingly. now that is the scenario Pakistan establishment is very worried about.

Israelis don't have a problem with Pakistan, and they don't want to provoke Pakistan.

Israel instead prefers that another non-Arab Muslim country, Pakistan would one day recognises Israel like Turkiye.

You are also aware that Pakistani military and intelligence forces are deployed a lot closer to Israel than the other way around?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

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Claiming that Pakistani pilots were apotted training on J35.. not sure how reliable this channel is.

It's an Indian news channel with world renowned Indian reliability.

And on another note, we dont see Indians contributing that much on this forum anymore

Good. About time the bastards left the forum.

 

[rafale]

It was just purposely to fool those Indians.

The PL-15 received by Pakistan has a legitimate 200 km no-escapable range.

The Indian rafale pilots cannot believe that they got shot down easily in 200 km.

The cow piss and dung consuming Indian Clown Airforce whose BS-001 was shot down is still saying it was all AI and fake. His parachute opened in Meta Verse.

 

[That_Guy]

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Claiming that Pakistani pilots were apotted training on J35.. not sure how reliable this channel is.

And on another note, we dont see Indians contributing that much on this forum anymore

WION is the BBC and Russia Today version of India.

Straight state propaganda.

Zero credibility.

 

[Oscar]

A nuclear strike means the end of both nations, if not the entire world.

Oh it can get the entire world pretty bad - that comment that “if we go we take the world down” is not made in jest

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

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Claiming that Pakistani pilots were apotted training on J35.. not sure how reliable this channel is.

And on another note, we dont see Indians contributing that much on this forum anymore

Don't believe in Indian news source, they often presented these news a bit exaggerated, and you still believe J-35AE will come Dec 2026? In my best guestimates J-35AE will come to PAF in 2027-2028 time-frame not in 2026, Look dude First customer of J-35A is PLAAF which need it to face USN/USAF F-35s in east Asia and in South China Sea and need them in relatively short period of time PAF will not be first customer of J-35 for sure and your 2026 claim is quite ridiculous and funny, Currently J-35 is in low rate initial production stage and initial flight testing phase on Fujian aircraft carrier, So how it is possible that China will Produce hundreds of J-35 within a few months? think about it

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The cow piss and dung consuming Indian Clown Airforce whose BS-001 was shot down is still saying it was all AI and fake. His parachute opened in Meta Verse.

Deep inside they know they got badly humiliated, but they just don't want to admit.

 

[m52k85]

If Pakistan ever gets 100 or so J-35AE, what's stopping India from sending 1000 suicide drones combined with hundreds of artillery and rocket plus dozens of cruise and ballistic missiles just to target all the J-35AE on the ground and attack their supply and logistic chains?

That would be a waste of resources. Until Pakistan amasses a huge number of layers IAD consisting of HQ-19 for mid course ballistic interception, HQ-9C for THAAD equivalent, HQ-9B for long range anti aircraft, HQ-16B/C for medium range multipurpose, and HQ-22, HQ-20, HQ-17 for various medium range interception and amass all those in significant numbers, it does not stop India from saturation attacks using cheap and plentiful drones. Each of those interceptor missiles is much more expensive than a drone and takes longer to build. The only way to defend effectively is being able to also attack using similarly economical ways.

J-35AE unprotected would be simply wasted. Even if Pakistan diverts lots of existing HQ-9 export systems towards protecting high value airbases, it's still possible for India to saturate defences quite easily. Air defence is always on the back foot no matter who it is, US and Israel defending against Iranian drone attacks, drone attacks will still get through.

I'm saying it makes no sense to spend so much money buying too many J-35AE unless Pakistan can deter India from wide scale escalation where J-35AE chains can be threatened. A dozen or two as force multiplication is more than enough until Pakistan can build up its offensive capability to cheaply and overwhelmingly also attack India with inexpensive drones and long range artillery. China appears to have not cooperated with Pakistan on developing cheap suicide drones for Pakistan Army and long range guided MLRS than can wreck through Indian airbases at ranges up to 300km away from MLRS.

You are misreading the learning of the mideast war. Iran was able to target and push back American airpower as it was not densely located, infact quite the opposite Iran was in a densily packed centre sorrounded by USAF and USN air assets in a L shaped axis. As a result USAF coverage suffered, its radars got taken out.

Now the case of Israel is quite different, Israel represent greater density of assets and sufficient airstrips. As a result Israeli airpower is only encumbered by the tyranny of distance (which effects Iran's effectors on Israel equally).

Now coming to PAF. Pakistan is more akin to the Israeli example in the essence that the area is more tightly packed, so fewer assets are needed to protect a vanguard formed of tactical aircraft. However, given the proximity of India and Pakistan's limited purchases of Airdefences, Pak army will have to make significant quick gains to limit Indias tactical surface to surface launches.

 

[RocketLaw]

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Look at the picture, that's really beauty!

 

[Kattarpajit]

India has the raw numbers advantage.

India doesn't need to win the air battles to win the war, they just need to be able to contest and cause damage, which theyre capable of doing just through attrition.

In an ALL OUT WAR, 40 J-35s is not going to cut it.

Let's be honest, despite Pakistan coming out on top in May, India still currently has the more advanced fleet. As the Russia-Ukraine war has shown, with enough time passing, the Indian Air force will learn to deal with Pakistani fighters, and they'll use attrition to learn, something Pakistan cannot afford, but India can.

India has more or less only 120 aircraft more than Pakistan (not counting the obsolete jaguars and mig 21s) and with the addition of 40 J35s and this year's 20 Jf17s that gap will be reduced to less than 60 aircraft, but Pakistani kill chain and Electromagnetic spectrum warfare capability is far superior than India's, we've been mastering it for nearly 7 years since 2019 with the Chinese, while India doesn't even know the basics of it.... with the current production rate of 20 Jf17s per year, that gap number gap is also closing fast and in the future, with the steady supply of indeginous + Chinese fighters this gap will never widen again.... regarding your point of contesting and causing damage, how'll they contest when they lost 6-7 of their flagship fighters 150+ km inside their own territory? ... they won't even think of roaming 200km from the border the next time they try any misadventure, they never know which surprises are waiting for them in their own airspace...If anything we'll be contesting their airspace with our stealth aircraft while denying them entry with our 4.5 gen BVR and electronic warfare, if the rumors about KJ500 are true then Indians are beyond f**ked...Now I'm not saying by any means that we can launch a full scale war and hope to win it, I'm just saying that in the event of limited skirmishes like 2019 and 2025, Pakistan will come out even stronger...May was not luck, it was 7 years of honing air warfare tactics with the Chinese...if you say that India will use attrition against us, the point by itself proves that Pakistan will be dominant against India, weaker opponent uses attrition to tire out the stronger one, not the other way around, not to say India is weaker than us but it certainly is not stronger anymore....damn I didn't even put PFX into the picture yet, count that in within the next 10 years... for the first time ever in the history of Subcontinent, India's conventional superiority has been crushed under it's own weight

 

[HRK]

Belated, suggestive news from official sources.
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Translation??

 

[Michael]

Translation??

CCTV.

今年五一劳动节，总台播出的“心连心”特别节目中，出现了歼-35A的画面↓机身上的AVIC标识、“0001”编号清晰可见……网友：这架歼-35A好像有点陌生

During this year’s May Day holiday, the "Heart-to-Heart" special program aired by China Media Group featured footage of the J-35A. The AVIC logo and the serial number "0001" on the fuselage were clearly visible… Netizens: This J-35A looks a bit unfamiliar.

 

[mythbuster]

India has more or less only 120 aircraft more than Pakistan (not counting the obsolete jaguars and mig 21s) and with the addition of 40 J35s and this year's 20 Jf17s that gap will be reduced to less than 60 aircraft, but Pakistani kill chain and Electromagnetic spectrum warfare capability is far superior than India's, we've been mastering it for nearly 7 years since 2019 with the Chinese, while India doesn't even know the basics of it.... with the current production rate of 20 Jf17s per year, that gap number gap is also closing fast and in the future, with the steady supply of indeginous + Chinese fighters this gap will never widen again.... regarding your point of contesting and causing damage, how'll they contest when they lost 6-7 of their flagship fighters 150+ km inside their own territory? ... they won't even think of roaming 200km from the border the next time they try any misadventure, they never know which surprises are waiting for them in their own airspace...If anything we'll be contesting their airspace with our stealth aircraft while denying them entry with our 4.5 gen BVR and electronic warfare, if the rumors about KJ500 are true then Indians are beyond f**ked...Now I'm not saying by any means that we can launch a full scale war and hope to win it, I'm just saying that in the event of limited skirmishes like 2019 and 2025, Pakistan will come out even stronger...May was not luck, it was 7 years of honing air warfare tactics with the Chinese...if you say that India will use attrition against us, the point by itself proves that Pakistan will be dominant against India, weaker opponent uses attrition to tire out the stronger one, not the other way around, not to say India is weaker than us but it certainly is not stronger anymore....damn I didn't even put PFX into the picture yet, count that in within the next 10 years... for the first time ever in the history of Subcontinent, India's conventional superiority has been crushed under it's own weight

Watch out my friend , you are giving our jawans a hard on ...they may get adventurous.