Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Buddy you are at WAR

War has nothing to do with a digital blackout. This is not the first war in the world since the internet has been created.

This is going to be painful and costly, that's just the way it is

It's supposed to be painful and costly because your enemy is attacking you, not because you're ruled by a bunch of fools that are ruining the country by their stupid decisions.

This war has been waged against Iran for 46 years

Not really. Iran had strong political and economic ties with Europe, Japan, South Korea, Russia and China before 2008. Europe purchased 20% of Iran's oil before the last round of UNSC sanctions. Japan purchased a huge chunk of our oil too, close to 15% if I remember correctly. So did South Korea and India. The French companies like Peugeot and Citroen had large projects with Iran Khodro. Mercedes Benz produced diesel engines in Iran. LG and Samsung had official headquarters in Iran, just to name a few. German and Italian home appliances had after-sales support in Iran.

The fact that Iran is even standing is a miracle

I fail to see why it's a miracle. Iran is a large resourceful nation with one of the world's largest population of STEM graduates. Houthis of Yemen fought back for 3 months with nearly nothing. How is this a miracle exactly? If anything, it's a joke that Iran accepted the ceasefire after 40 days while Yemenis fought back for 120 days.

The resistance Iran has put up is incredible, very few nations could do it and Iran could change the world with the fallout from this war

Not really. It was incredible before Week 4 of the war. Things started to change after Week 4. Something changed internally and Iran was forced to become passive.

I get it you have a issue with the Mullahs but those guys have been ruthless and the only reason Iran hasn't been taken over and can still remain a free state with the hope of becoming a hegemon in the middle east

How is Iran a free state exactly? Iran is rather isolated than free.
If you can be coerced into accepting things that are against your national interest, you're not a free state. If you have to suck up to countries that have betrayed you repeatedly in recent history, you are not free.

This war means that any changes to the system will need to be delayed, as you can't give any hint of a propaganda victory to the U.S or Israel and any protest needs to be limited or outrightly crushed

That's not how it works. State brutality only accelerates the downfall of the system and opens the possibility of civil war. The system is falling and everyone can see it. Every time the system faces a new challenge, it chooses a path that brings it closer to destruction. The system has chosen to self-destruct, it seems.

The objective now should be to utilize the pressure build up to get sanctions removed and get the U.S out of the middle east and put Iran into a strong position

Be serious. Why should the US lift the sanctions? They have a way to destroy Iran with minimal cost and you think they'll just give it up for no reason? Why would they do that? Do they love the Mullahs or what?

You guys really think that the US which is owned by the Zionist lobby will magically change its mind and decide to leave Iran alone? The same Iran that cannot kill even 100 Americans after being bombed for 40 days by the US? The US is preparing for another round of escalation, if anything.

 

[r3alist]

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[ShapurII]

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The US wanted a 45-day ceasefire and it seems that they have their ceasefire exactly as they wanted it. Claiming Iran had accepted a 2-week ceasefire was only a face saving measure by the regime in Iran.

 

[Meengla]

Qaddafi killing and Syria civil war was under Obama administration, more hypocrite than Trump, less blatant but same rogue behavior.
Besides serious harass from USA to Iran in 2011/2012.

To quote the dear departed great philosopher John Pilger: 'Democrats have been rapacious on foreign wars for half a century'. There is no excuse to be made for Democrats policies either. BUT the winds are starting to change their directions in America where a far larger number of Democrats are against foreign wars, especially in the Middle East, than the Republicans are.
This war on Iran was denied to Israel by every American President until this Zionist Trump came to office. Trump's political base is anti Muslim, anti immigrant, Rapture Seekers, and racist even though I recognize in his base there are many who are patriotic Americans who want fiscal responsibility and not appeasing the lazy asses in the American society for votes, which the Democrats do. But as far as the Middle East is concern, I have no doubt should a Democrat be the POTUS in 2028 then we will see a major shift which will not please Israel at all.

 

[Meengla]

You are truly the biggest cry baby on this forum. The amount of negativity you have spewed in this thread since the first day of the conflict is staggering.
Seek mental help.

Boy, you have made an entrance to this forum!! Haha!

 

[brazensword]

Can you elaborate? All micro and macro economic indices show that there is a significant portion of the US population that is financially insecure to the point that they are already in poverty, or hovering just above the threshold of being impoverished. Many Americans already live paycheck to paycheck with no savings. Even a short stay in hospital can cause people to be in severe debt for years.

Average American still makes 5x more than the average 2nd / third worlder that they have plundered and looted from.

 

[Cataphract]

Why don't you use your actual username for goh khori?

My man, you are flattering yourself if you truly think I created a new account to confront you.

Your paisans resisted the most powerful country the world has ever seen and defeated these forces by taking strategic control of the war.

Yet all you do is spewing negative diarrhea. Imagine if the warriors on the shores of the Persian Gulf carried the same defeatist attitude. I'm not sure if you realize how insufferable you come across.

 

[brazensword]

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It's all smoke and mirrors. They want to nuke Iran.

 

[SaadH]

Average American still makes 5x more than the average 2nd / third worlder that they have plundered and looted from.

And their expenses are 10X the 2nd/3rd worlders...

 

[brazensword]

And their expenses are 10X the 2nd/3rd worlders...

Of course, gotta spend that loot somewhere while the world gets by on scraps.

 

[SaadH]

Of course, gotta spend that loot somewhere while the world gets by on scraps.

No, western masses are struggling with affordability massively. $hit's about to hit the fan and will bring down living standards in the West and over the next decade or so may not be as viable a place to live economically as other parts of the world, especially for retirees, who are already looking to settle abroad in the 2nd/3rd world where they can spend their last few years unbridled with medical debts and ever-rising living expenses.

 

[FUB]

Most militaries will show case to the public technology that had already been deployed and mass produced.
Iran showed the Shahab III in or around 2008 . If we assume that it was being mass produced in 2006 (they certainly had more advance systems at that time) , and if we go by the 1200 per year number , you are looking 24,000-30,000 missiles that can reach Israel .
That does not take into account all of the short range and medium range BMs built for the war with the US.
I am betting that Iran’s inventories are north of 100,000.

 

[BHAN85]

To quote the dear departed great philosopher John Pilger: 'Democrats have been rapacious on foreign wars for half a century'. There is no excuse to be made for Democrats policies either. BUT the winds are starting to change their directions in America where a far larger number of Democrats are against foreign wars, especially in the Middle East, than the Republicans are.
This war on Iran was denied to Israel by every American President until this Zionist Trump came to office. Trump's political base is anti Muslim, anti immigrant, Rapture Seekers, and racist even though I recognize in his base there are many who are patriotic Americans who want fiscal responsibility and not appeasing the lazy asses in the American society for votes, which the Democrats do. But as far as the Middle East is concern, I have no doubt should a Democrat be the POTUS in 2028 then we will see a major shift which will not please Israel at all.

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"Obama told The Atlantic magazine that a military option was still one possibility among a package of other measures."

How to explain that? I dont talk about USA internal affairs, it's another different topic.

But USA foreign policy is not a party thing, last years it keeps stable from one administration to another, it changes the excuses, it keeps the targets.

In Russia and China politicians define the foreign policy, but USA is a different thing.

USA economic elite has huge power, can someone believe that foreign policy is in the hands of some bribed/blackmailed corrupt politician?

Isn't one thousands bigger the power of Wall St elite than USA politicians? And they are not like other countries bankers, they have a lot of interests in USA foreign policy because his power is sustained in it, Soros wrote articles about USA foreign policy last years, and his will is strangely fulfilled over one administration to another (e.g Ukraine war, fueled by Soros NGOs).

In 2023 happened the biggest attack (in amount of Israeli killed one single day) against Israel in his whole history, Oct 7. Current Iran war had been impossible without Oct 7 attacks.

I only see USA damaging whole world economy using Israel/Iran conflict as tool, like they did with tariffs. American people interests are damaged as well, but USA elite interests are not.

Is it good for USA elite damage world economy? Yeah, they have all the money, money is not a problem for them, the problem for them is stop China power, and decrease raw materials / energy world consumption to ensure future supply.

 

[hasn2009]

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[ShapurII]

Most militaries will show case to the public technology that had already been deployed and mass produced.
Iran showed the Shahab III in or around 2008 . If we assume that it was being mass produced in 2006 (they certainly had more advance systems at that time) , and if we go by the 1200 per year number , you are looking 24,000-30,000 missiles that can reach Israel .
That does not take into account all of the short range and medium range BMs built for the war with the US.
I am betting that Iran’s inventories are north of 100,000.

Shahab III was tested successfully in 2003. Sejjil was tested in 2008.

For the most part, Iran produced fewer than 50 missiles per month. Even then, Iran's inventory should already be north of 10K missiles.

If we assume 50 missiles per month for 20 years, and 100 missiles per month for the next 2 years prior to the war, we should have 14,400 missiles. Minus 2,000 for the missiles we have used so far on Kurdish rebels, Ain al-Assad, ISIS in Deir Ez-Zur, TP1, TP2, TP3 and the Ramadhan war.

Another safer estimate is 20 missiles per month for 20 years, 50-100 missiles per month in 2024-2025 and 300 missiles per month in 2025-2026 after Israel attacked Iran. This one sums up to 9,300 missiles. So, even by this estimate, Iran should have over 7K missiles left. Assuming Iran fires 30 missiles per day like in the Ramadhan war, this enables Iran to fight for at least another 6 months, if not longer.