PA MLRS, Self Propelled and towed artillery [BM-11, Fatah-I GMLRS, Fatah-II] - News, Updates & Discussions

[Samurai]

Btw, I asked Chatgpt to do a comparision between US Tomahawk, Russian Kalibr and Pakistan Fatah-IV/Harbah NG.

Feature	Tomahawk Cruise Missile	Kalibr Cruise Missile	Fatah-IV Cruise Missile / Harbah-NG Cruise Missile
Origin	United States	Russia	Pakistan
Primary Role	Long-range land attack	Land attack + anti-ship	Conventional precision strike / anti-ship
Launch Platforms	Ships, submarines, ground launchers	Ships, submarines, aircraft	TEL vehicles, ships
Speed	~Mach 0.74	~Mach 0.8 cruise; some variants terminal Mach 2.5–3	~Mach 0.7–0.8
Range	~1,500–2,400 km	~1,500–2,500 km (land attack variants)	~700–750 km
Guidance	INS + TERCOM + DSMAC + GPS	INS + GLONASS + TERCOM + active radar	INS + GPS + TERCOM + EO/IR seeker
Flight Profile	Terrain hugging	Sea-skimming / terrain hugging	Low-altitude terrain hugging
Warhead	~450 kg conventional or specialized	~400–500 kg	~300–330 kg
CEP Accuracy	~5–10 m	Estimated 5–20 m	Claimed ~5 m
Operational History	Extensive combat use since 1991	Combat-tested in Syria & Ukraine	No confirmed combat use
Strategic Philosophy	Precision deep strike dominance	Saturation + multi-role strike	Regional deterrence and precision strike

 

[Bilal]

Does Tomahawk also follow the same attack pattern?

Yes, look at the recent conflict strike footages.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Does Tomahawk also follow the same attack pattern?

yes look at the minab attack video

 

[Ak01]

Does Tomahawk also follow the same attack pattern?

It can do if it’s set to do so.

These attack modes are all optimised to defeat defenses and ensure a strike

 

[studsmart]

Btw, I asked Chatgpt to do a comparision between US Tomahawk, Russian Kalibr and Pakistan Fatah-IV/Harbah NG.

Feature	Tomahawk Cruise Missile	Kalibr Cruise Missile	Fatah-IV Cruise Missile / Harbah-NG Cruise Missile
Origin	United States	Russia	Pakistan
Primary Role	Long-range land attack	Land attack + anti-ship	Conventional precision strike / anti-ship
Launch Platforms	Ships, submarines, ground launchers	Ships, submarines, aircraft	TEL vehicles, ships
Speed	~Mach 0.74	~Mach 0.8 cruise; some variants terminal Mach 2.5–3	~Mach 0.7–0.8
Range	~1,500–2,400 km	~1,500–2,500 km (land attack variants)	~700–750 km
Guidance	INS + TERCOM + DSMAC + GPS	INS + GLONASS + TERCOM + active radar	INS + GPS + TERCOM + EO/IR seeker
Flight Profile	Terrain hugging	Sea-skimming / terrain hugging	Low-altitude terrain hugging
Warhead	~450 kg conventional or specialized	~400–500 kg	~300–330 kg
CEP Accuracy	~5–10 m	Estimated 5–20 m	Claimed ~5 m
Operational History	Extensive combat use since 1991	Combat-tested in Syria & Ukraine	No confirmed combat use
Strategic Philosophy	Precision deep strike dominance	Saturation + multi-role strike	Regional deterrence and precision strike

Why f4 is such short ranged

 

[PakistaniDefender]

Why f4 is such short ranged

Inefficient engine !

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Why f4 is such short ranged

Because our BMs covers rest of India, no need to develop 2500 km version

 

[PakistaniDefender]

Btw, I asked Chatgpt to do a comparision between US Tomahawk, Russian Kalibr and Pakistan Fatah-IV/Harbah NG.

Feature	Tomahawk Cruise Missile	Kalibr Cruise Missile	Fatah-IV Cruise Missile / Harbah-NG Cruise Missile
Origin	United States	Russia	Pakistan
Primary Role	Long-range land attack	Land attack + anti-ship	Conventional precision strike / anti-ship
Launch Platforms	Ships, submarines, ground launchers	Ships, submarines, aircraft	TEL vehicles, ships
Speed	~Mach 0.74	~Mach 0.8 cruise; some variants terminal Mach 2.5–3	~Mach 0.7–0.8
Range	~1,500–2,400 km	~1,500–2,500 km (land attack variants)	~700–750 km
Guidance	INS + TERCOM + DSMAC + GPS	INS + GLONASS + TERCOM + active radar	INS + GPS + TERCOM + EO/IR seeker
Flight Profile	Terrain hugging	Sea-skimming / terrain hugging	Low-altitude terrain hugging
Warhead	~450 kg conventional or specialized	~400–500 kg	~300–330 kg
CEP Accuracy	~5–10 m	Estimated 5–20 m	Claimed ~5 m
Operational History	Extensive combat use since 1991	Combat-tested in Syria & Ukraine	No confirmed combat use
Strategic Philosophy	Precision deep strike dominance	Saturation + multi-role strike	Regional deterrence and precision strike

Is Harbah NG 750km???

 

[PakistaniDefender]

Because our BMs covers rest of India, no need to develop 2500 km version

Which rocket force missile covers rest of India? Can't use those Ghauri and Shaheen as they are nuclear delivery platforms

 

[Samurai]

Is Harbah NG 750km???

No, its a mistake because its mixing both Fatah-IV and Harbah-NG. As per Quwa, GIDS has stated Harbah's export range as 280 km. 750 km is Fatah-IV's range.

 

[PakistaniDefender]

No, its a mistake because its mixing both Fatah-IV and Harbah-NG. As per Quwa, GIDS has stated Harbah's export range as 280 km. 750 km is Fatah-IV's range.

Yea but that's for export. Wonder what the real range is

 

[Samurai]

Yea but that's for export. Wonder what the real range is

I have just done a quick Google and found a news posted on
January 8, 2018 by CSIS Missile Threat website about original Harbah Cruise missile and apparently it says that analysts believe that Harbah has 700 km range. So maybe Chatgpt was correct to state both Fatah-IV and Harbah ranges.

Source: Pakistan Tests Harbah Cruise Missile

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Which rocket force missile covers rest of India? Can't use those Ghauri and Shaheen as they are nuclear delivery platforms

bro, , In all out war with India we need to destroy their C&C hubs/HQs/Airbases and their other military infrastructures by conventional means these infras are occur within the range of 700-750 km from border, this only possible with BABAR/RAAD and short and tactical BMs like Nasr/Abdali and Ghaznavi And BMs are higher chances of intercept than Cms and other PGMs


And I know that our long range BMs are nuke delivery systems, thanks for your information lol

 

[rafale]

It can do if it’s set to do so.

These attack modes are all optimised to defeat defenses and ensure a strike

@Ak01
But how do you update the pre-programmed way point navigation all the way along flight path if the air defenses are mobile and moving?

 

[Ak01]

@Ak01
But how do you update the pre-programmed way point navigation all the way along flight path if the air defenses are mobile and moving?

TLAM has a video link and a two way satellite datalink for data and targeting updates, heck, theoretically you can even use tomahawk for ISR with its video link (block 4)