Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Tumba]

India cleaning the US from the Indian Ocean? That is some solid delusions. India can't manage to hold its own against Pakistan.

While supa powa USA running away from a sanctioned Iran with no Air Force and Navy , weren’t USA was kind of treaty partner of Pakistan when India split Pakistan into two in 1971, what happened then you pissed you pants while trying to enter Bay of Bengal when India was not even 10% of of her current power.
Rest world is seeing how USA cant even hold its own against Iran while begging Iran to sign a deal

 

[ShapurII]

"Pet Marco Rubio" killed me

 

[niubi]

While supa powa USA running away from a sanctioned Iran with no Air Force and Navy , weren’t USA was kind of treaty partner of Pakistan when India split Pakistan into two in 1971, what happened then you pissed you pants while trying to enter Bay of Bengal when India was not even 10% of of her current power.
Rest world is seeing how USA cant even hold its own against Iran while begging Iran to sign a deal

If only India can fully join and commit to the anti-imperialist (anti-US and west) bandwagon with the Arab world which partially whores itself out to the West still despite history.

So far only China does any real work in this department and one could argue Russia too. Latin America is doing its part but less so due to principle and more for just profit. North Korea is useless and Iran just stepped up right to the front line.

Imagine if India and all of the Arab world commit fully, then your posts would indeed be fated for the US. Right now, the US despite much weaker than it has been and on severe decline, is still an absolute juggernaut owing to the momentum of its past strength and the sheer size of its population and capabilities. The current state of the world is still everyone looking after themselves only while the Western united world which is already the wealthiest and strongest, continue exploiting everyone with the sheer scale of its dominance over humanity and because it is so united in preserving its hegemony. In fact much of the non-western world do more harm to each other (often at the behest and initiation of the West).

 

[Tumba]

If only India can fully join and commit to the anti-imperialist (anti-US and west) bandwagon with the Arab world which partially whores itself out to the West still despite history.

So far only China does any real work in this department and one could argue Russia too. Latin America is doing its part but less so due to principle and more for just profit. North Korea is useless and Iran just stepped up right to the front line.

Imagine if India and all of the Arab world commit fully, then your posts would indeed be fated for the US. Right now, the US despite much weaker than it has been and on severe decline, is still an absolute juggernaut owing to the momentum of its past strength and the sheer size of its population and capabilities. The current state of the world is still everyone looking after themselves only while the Western united world which is already the wealthiest and strongest, continue exploiting everyone with the sheer scale of its dominance over humanity and because it is so united in preserving its hegemony. In fact much of the non-western world do more harm to each other (often at the behest and initiation of the West).

India was always committed against imperialism from west, it was china who went in bed and slept with USA against USSR in 70s and stayed till 90s, right now on time to time you see Chinese giving free pass to USA because both of their economies are intertwined.
Fact is chinese are most non serious about multipolar world because they want same hegemony with Chinese characteristics, in-fact chinese are reason why SWIFT alternative was not adopted widely, because Chinese wanted chinese system so now each BRICS is doing thr own thing.

Now apply same logic to China which you applied to India and it fits perfectly.

You can check which nation has put the largest number of cases in WTO against USA and west, its India while Chinese are just followed west in those areas.

Also regarding de dollarisation, India is doing trade with Russia, UAE, Latin America and Africa in their local currencies, India never buys Fighter Jets from Americans even though they are ready to sell F-35 thats because India retains a wild mistrust of USA.

 

[niubi]

India was always committed against imperialism from west, it was china who went in bed and slept with USA against USSR in 70s and stayed till 90s, right now on time to time you see Chinese giving free pass to USA because both of their economies are intertwined.
Fact is chinese are most non serious about multipolar world because they want same hegemony with Chinese characteristics, in-fact chinese are reason why SWIFT alternative was not adopted widely, because Chinese wanted chinese system so now each BRICS is doing thr own thing.

Now apply same logic to China which you applied to India and it fits perfectly.

You can check which nation has put the largest number of cases in WTO against USA and west, its India while Chinese are just followed west in those areas.

Also regarding de dollarisation, India is doing trade with Russia, UAE, Latin America and Africa in their local currencies, India never buys Fighter Jets from Americans even though they are ready to sell F-35 thats because India retains a wild mistrust of USA.

China built a relation with the West in the 1970s to 1990s so as to ignite its modernisation after decades of Maoism and Communism. After reforms, it recognised the need to modernise and there was no other way to achieve this than to forge some working relation.

Despite that, the entire time, China never was an ally of the West. You can make a point about how China and USSR relation soured and then China went to the West. In reality, it was just exploiting Western hatred of the USSR while China also had lots of unresolved issues with the USSR. Most forces were focused on the USSR than towards the east back then. Two birds situation. China was fearful of USSR expansion and had soured relations with USSR after Stalin and Kruschev disliked China and Mao. China saw an opportunity to extract benefits from the West during this period and more effectively counter USSR while also finding a way to modernise.

Now, China is the country consistently doing the most to counter the West. Iran is to be mentioned of course.

Putting cases to the WTO against the US is pretty pointless to be honest. Particularly for China that needs to treat the WTO with due respect given how exposed China's economy is to the whims of the masters of such entities. It's a completely different minefield China and India navigate in the world.

De-dollarisation is great. More power to it and more of it.

 

[Tumba]

China built a relation with the West in the 1970s to 1990s so as to ignite its modernisation after decades of Maoism and Communism. After reforms, it recognised the need to modernise and there was no other way to achieve this than to forge some working relation.

Despite that, the entire time, China never was an ally of the West. You can make a point about how China and USSR relation soured and then China went to the West. In reality, it was just exploiting Western hatred of the USSR while China also had lots of unresolved issues with the USSR. Most forces were focused on the USSR than towards the east back then. Two birds situation. China was fearful of USSR expansion and had soured relations with USSR after Stalin and Kruschev disliked China and Mao. China saw an opportunity to extract benefits from the West during this period and more effectively counter USSR while also finding a way to modernise.

Now, China is the country consistently doing the most to counter the West. Iran is to be mentioned of course.

Putting cases to the WTO against the US is pretty pointless to be honest. Particularly for China that needs to treat the WTO with due respect given how exposed China's economy is to the whims of the masters of such entities. It's a completely different minefield China and India navigate in the world.

De-dollarisation is great. More power to it and more of it.

Well I dont see anything that china is doing overtly against US hegemony.

Anyway back to topic, I just hope Iranians some how gets their energy export unsanctioned rest everything else is non issue in long term.

Iran will only reach its full potential when it can sell its Oil and Gas freely.

Getting a nuclear weapon is a joke for wealthy and technologically advanced nations.

In my humble opinion Iranians should agree to send the HEU in batches over a decade meanwhile letting west inspect while getting enormously wealthy and mastering other technologies.

Once Iran is wealthy and technologically advanced they can make nuclear weapons in days.

Play the long game Iranian friends.

 

[ety]

China built a relation with the West in the 1970s to 1990s so as to ignite its modernisation after decades of Maoism and Communism. After reforms, it recognised the need to modernise and there was no other way to achieve this than to forge some working relation.

Despite that, the entire time, China never was an ally of the West. You can make a point about how China and USSR relation soured and then China went to the West. In reality, it was just exploiting Western hatred of the USSR while China also had lots of unresolved issues with the USSR. Most forces were focused on the USSR than towards the east back then. Two birds situation. China was fearful of USSR expansion and had soured relations with USSR after Stalin and Kruschev disliked China and Mao. China saw an opportunity to extract benefits from the West during this period and more effectively counter USSR while also finding a way to modernise.

Now, China is the country consistently doing the most to counter the West. Iran is to be mentioned of course.

Putting cases to the WTO against the US is pretty pointless to be honest. Particularly for China that needs to treat the WTO with due respect given how exposed China's economy is to the whims of the masters of such entities. It's a completely different minefield China and India navigate in the world.

De-dollarisation is great. More power to it and more of it.

China was facing existential threat from USSR in the 1970s and most of 1980s with million strong of its troops deployed alone China-Soviet borders. China was then enemy of two superpowers US and USSR that couldn't be the norm for long. So China had made a decision to side with the lesser evil or threating to China at the time that was US. Any rational country in the situation probably would make similar choice. Others have no right to criticize China on its decision.

 

[delta2]

While supa powa USA running away from a sanctioned Iran with no Air Force and Navy , weren’t USA was kind of treaty partner of Pakistan when India split Pakistan into two in 1971, what happened then you pissed you pants while trying to enter Bay of Bengal when India was not even 10% of of her current power.
Rest world is seeing how USA cant even hold its own against Iran while begging Iran to sign a deal

Just ONE US Navy Ohio class submarine can annihilate an entire country the size of Iran at least 10 times over.

This is a corrupt and very quick way for Trump and his cronies to make hundreds of billions of $$ from market speculation over the weekend while the Zionists tried to plunge the USA into another war as a side salad.

Even the Russians wouldn't want to go up against the US Navy submarine fleet.

The 1971 issue was in internal civil war set up by the Soviet KGB which trained Mujeeb and the likes, who took advantage of failure of govt response to floods from prior years and made it an issue of ethnicity and language.

The USA didn't need to send anything except one submarine at that time to send shiver down India's spine.

The USA was mostly concerned about the USSR and was focused entirely on Vietnam at that time.

A single Ohio class submarine can completely annihilate India before lunch and the Indians wouldn't even see it coming.

On their own the Indians couldn't cut a cow in half. So let's just be grown ups here.

 

[IceCold]

It will be interesting to see if the new Gwadar/Karachi land corridor from Pakistan to Iran gets reversed back to UAE once the war is over, or if Iran decides to keep it ( ideally Iran keeps it but their choice ! ).

I wouldn't bet on it. Iran wasn't willing to sign the deal in Pakistan and preferred Geneva when we went as far as deploying our assets to protect them. They would most likely revert to UAE all things considered.

 

[delta2]

Sure India also has 3 SSBMs each one carrying nuke armed MIRV SLMB and 3 more to be deployed shortly.

Again time to threaten India with nukes those times are long gone.

And sure 1971 was just a friendly fight which resulted in Bangladesh and 93000 surrendered Pakistani Army jawans who got free food and shelter from Indian army for almost a year

The Indians wouldn't be able to start the engines if it came to that because Russians, just like the West, install kill switches in all of their export military tech, especially when it comes to the nuclear stuff.

Dhaka was very well defended, but the army was given orders by the GHQ to surrender which it did.

The 93000 included a lot of civilians, around 30 or so thousand military.

It wasn't a friendly fight, the Indians relied on the USSR for everything, including batteries for their military grade pocket flash lights, because on their own the Indians cannot do anything.

1971 was a different century. If the past is any indicator, the Muslims had a much larger amount of victories against the Brahmins/Hindus resulting in a millenia of rule.

Other than that one occasion in 1971, the Indians got whipped every, single, time. The last time the Indians grounded their entire air force for two days and went radio silent due to the shock of the beating they got.

It is just that us Muslims are way too merciful.

 

[delta2]

Sure India also has 3 SSBMs each one carrying nuke armed MIRV SLMB and 3 more to be deployed shortly.

Again time to threaten India with nukes those times are long gone.

And sure 1971 was just a friendly fight which resulted in Bangladesh and 93000 surrendered Pakistani Army jawans who got free food and shelter from Indian army for almost a year

Those poor souls, imagin having to eat food prepared by a People with absolutely no sense of personal hygine!! My God those heroes did make a great sacrifice!

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Sure India also has 3 SSBMs each one carrying nuke armed MIRV SLMB and 3 more to be deployed shortly.

Again time to threaten India with nukes those times are long gone.

And sure 1971 was just a friendly fight which resulted in Bangladesh and 93000 surrendered Pakistani Army jawans who got free food and shelter from Indian army for almost a year

Stick to to the topic, this thread is not for India-Pakistan wrestling match, you're reported for trolling and off-topic discussions

 

[Tumba]

The Indians wouldn't be able to start the engines if it came to that because Russians, just like the West, install kill switches in all of their export military tech, especially when it comes to the nuclear stuff.

Dhaka was very well defended, but the army was given orders by the GHQ to surrender which it did.

The 93000 included a lot of civilians, around 30 or so thousand military.

It wasn't a friendly fight, the Indians relied on the USSR for everything, including batteries for their military grade pocket flash lights, because on their own the Indians cannot do anything.

1971 was a different century. If the past is any indicator, the Muslims had a much larger amount of victories against the Brahmins/Hindus resulting in a millenia of rule.

Other than that one occasion in 1971, the Indians got whipped every, single, time. The last time the Indians grounded their entire air force for two days and went radio silent due to the shock of the beating they got.

It is just that us Muslims are way too merciful.

Yaa now when reality is too difficult to absorb its all muslim Hindus , no dude
It was India and Pakistan and despite being a major ally of USA at that point you end up surrendering with 93000 pakistani soldiers.

I dont want to digress from topic so if you want to talk about it there are plenty of other threads

 

[KAL-EL]

Just ONE US Navy Ohio class submarine can annihilate an entire country the size of Iran at least 10 times over.

One Ohio class SSBN is essentially a civilization ender. I hope to God it's never used.

And if so used, Only as second strike capability

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Yaa now when reality is too difficult to absorb its all muslim Hindus , no dude
It was India and Pakistan and despite being a major ally of USA at that point you end up surrendering with 93000 pakistani soldiers.

I dont want to digress from topic so if you want to talk about it there are plenty of other threads

In 71 we had sanctions by west and you're getting latest weapons from then superpower Soviet Union and remember Soviet Union vetoed all cease fire resolutions at UN, and only Indian history told this 93000 soldier, from neutral sources more than half of Civilians/ govt officials etc etc, we had have no more than 45000 military personals at time of war

And please give this answer WHY YOU INTERFERED IN OUR INTERNAL MATTERS IN 71?