Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[niubi]

India was always committed against imperialism from west, it was china who went in bed and slept with USA against USSR in 70s and stayed till 90s, right now on time to time you see Chinese giving free pass to USA because both of their economies are intertwined.
Fact is chinese are most non serious about multipolar world because they want same hegemony with Chinese characteristics, in-fact chinese are reason why SWIFT alternative was not adopted widely, because Chinese wanted chinese system so now each BRICS is doing thr own thing.

Now apply same logic to China which you applied to India and it fits perfectly.

You can check which nation has put the largest number of cases in WTO against USA and west, its India while Chinese are just followed west in those areas.

Also regarding de dollarisation, India is doing trade with Russia, UAE, Latin America and Africa in their local currencies, India never buys Fighter Jets from Americans even though they are ready to sell F-35 thats because India retains a wild mistrust of USA.

China built a relation with the West in the 1970s to 1990s so as to ignite its modernisation after decades of Maoism and Communism. After reforms, it recognised the need to modernise and there was no other way to achieve this than to forge some working relation.

Despite that, the entire time, China never was an ally of the West. You can make a point about how China and USSR relation soured and then China went to the West. In reality, it was just exploiting Western hatred of the USSR while China also had lots of unresolved issues with the USSR. Most forces were focused on the USSR than towards the east back then. Two birds situation. China was fearful of USSR expansion and had soured relations with USSR after Stalin and Kruschev disliked China and Mao. China saw an opportunity to extract benefits from the West during this period and more effectively counter USSR while also finding a way to modernise.

Now, China is the country consistently doing the most to counter the West. Iran is to be mentioned of course.

Putting cases to the WTO against the US is pretty pointless to be honest. Particularly for China that needs to treat the WTO with due respect given how exposed China's economy is to the whims of the masters of such entities. It's a completely different minefield China and India navigate in the world.

De-dollarisation is great. More power to it and more of it.

 

[delta2]

While supa powa USA running away from a sanctioned Iran with no Air Force and Navy , weren’t USA was kind of treaty partner of Pakistan when India split Pakistan into two in 1971, what happened then you pissed you pants while trying to enter Bay of Bengal when India was not even 10% of of her current power.
Rest world is seeing how USA cant even hold its own against Iran while begging Iran to sign a deal

Just ONE US Navy Ohio class submarine can annihilate an entire country the size of Iran at least 10 times over.

This is a corrupt and very quick way for Trump and his cronies to make hundreds of billions of $$ from market speculation over the weekend while the Zionists tried to plunge the USA into another war as a side salad.

Even the Russians wouldn't want to go up against the US Navy submarine fleet.

The 1971 issue was in internal civil war set up by the Soviet KGB which trained Mujeeb and the likes, who took advantage of failure of govt response to floods from prior years and made it an issue of ethnicity and language.

The USA didn't need to send anything except one submarine at that time to send shiver down India's spine.

The USA was mostly concerned about the USSR and was focused entirely on Vietnam at that time.

A single Ohio class submarine can completely annihilate India before lunch and the Indians wouldn't even see it coming.

On their own the Indians couldn't cut a cow in half. So let's just be grown ups here.

 

[IceCold]

It will be interesting to see if the new Gwadar/Karachi land corridor from Pakistan to Iran gets reversed back to UAE once the war is over, or if Iran decides to keep it ( ideally Iran keeps it but their choice ! ).

I wouldn't bet on it. Iran wasn't willing to sign the deal in Pakistan and preferred Geneva when we went as far as deploying our assets to protect them. They would most likely revert to UAE all things considered.

 

[delta2]

Sure India also has 3 SSBMs each one carrying nuke armed MIRV SLMB and 3 more to be deployed shortly.

Again time to threaten India with nukes those times are long gone.

And sure 1971 was just a friendly fight which resulted in Bangladesh and 93000 surrendered Pakistani Army jawans who got free food and shelter from Indian army for almost a year

The Indians wouldn't be able to start the engines if it came to that because Russians, just like the West, install kill switches in all of their export military tech, especially when it comes to the nuclear stuff.

Dhaka was very well defended, but the army was given orders by the GHQ to surrender which it did.

The 93000 included a lot of civilians, around 30 or so thousand military.

It wasn't a friendly fight, the Indians relied on the USSR for everything, including batteries for their military grade pocket flash lights, because on their own the Indians cannot do anything.

1971 was a different century. If the past is any indicator, the Muslims had a much larger amount of victories against the Brahmins/Hindus resulting in a millenia of rule.

Other than that one occasion in 1971, the Indians got whipped every, single, time. The last time the Indians grounded their entire air force for two days and went radio silent due to the shock of the beating they got.

It is just that us Muslims are way too merciful.

 

[delta2]

Sure India also has 3 SSBMs each one carrying nuke armed MIRV SLMB and 3 more to be deployed shortly.

Again time to threaten India with nukes those times are long gone.

And sure 1971 was just a friendly fight which resulted in Bangladesh and 93000 surrendered Pakistani Army jawans who got free food and shelter from Indian army for almost a year

Those poor souls, imagin having to eat food prepared by a People with absolutely no sense of personal hygine!! My God those heroes did make a great sacrifice!

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Sure India also has 3 SSBMs each one carrying nuke armed MIRV SLMB and 3 more to be deployed shortly.

Again time to threaten India with nukes those times are long gone.

And sure 1971 was just a friendly fight which resulted in Bangladesh and 93000 surrendered Pakistani Army jawans who got free food and shelter from Indian army for almost a year

Stick to to the topic, this thread is not for India-Pakistan wrestling match, you're reported for trolling and off-topic discussions

 

[KAL-EL]

Just ONE US Navy Ohio class submarine can annihilate an entire country the size of Iran at least 10 times over.

One Ohio class SSBN is essentially a civilization ender. I hope to God it's never used.

And if so used, Only as second strike capability

 

[KAL-EL]

lots of SSBN in service and more will come so USA has no trump
Card here if they hit some nation they will get to taste mashroom clouds themselves

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As I said one Ohio class SSBN can end a civilization.

Those subs are part of the US nuclear triad. And aren't meant to be used as a first strike weapon.

Only as second strike

And Yes, as you said More are coming, the Columbia class SSBN will go in service to replace the Ohio class.

You could stop with your trump card b*******.

There is no Trump card in a nuclear war. Nobody wins

 

[KAL-EL]

Any SSBM carrying 100 nukes are a nation killer so Americunts has no advantages here if US can hit others can hit too with same kind of stealth.
Heck you cant even threaten North Korea with nukes those times Woke B********

Okay I can see I'm not going to be able to have a rational conversation with you as you're acting like a rabid dog

Go find someone else to rant and rave to

 

[Viet]

Just ONE US Navy Ohio class submarine can annihilate an entire country the size of Iran at least 10 times over.

This is a corrupt and very quick way for Trump and his cronies to make hundreds of billions of $$ from market speculation over the weekend while the Zionists tried to plunge the USA into another war as a side salad.

Even the Russians wouldn't want to go up against the US Navy submarine fleet.

The 1971 issue was in internal civil war set up by the Soviet KGB which trained Mujeeb and the likes, who took advantage of failure of govt response to floods from prior years and made it an issue of ethnicity and language.

The USA didn't need to send anything except one submarine at that time to send shiver down India's spine.

The USA was mostly concerned about the USSR and was focused entirely on Vietnam at that time.

A single Ohio class submarine can completely annihilate India before lunch and the Indians wouldn't even see it coming.

On their own the Indians couldn't cut a cow in half. So let's just be grown ups here.

Putin will not nuke Ukraine, Trump won’t nuke Iran. That’s not because they don’t want to. That’s because at least 10 non-nuclear countries will acquire nuclear weapons tomorrow. Having nukes for industrial countries is not difficult. It’s much easier than making cars.

And you should understand their motives. In the case of Ukraine it makes no sense for Putin to nuke Ukraine. He wants to steal lands and resources what he gets from nuclear ashes?
Trump has different motives towards Iran.

 

[Viet]

US is far from the only country with SSBN and SLBMs armed with MIRV megaton warheads.

Indeed India has its own SSBN outside of Russian control because India currently only has Russian SSN not SSBN. India doesn't have SLBM in the intercontinental range yet so in case Ohio decides to end India, Indian SSBNs would have to sail closer to the US and nuke the US in retaliation. Iran isn't yet a nuclear power and even further from having credible nuclear delivery capability but nuclear isn't an option for the US, maybe for Israel and Israel has sort of become an international pariah already despite all the hundreds of billions spent on propaganda to do the exact opposite.

Ohio class ending Iran can only be possible with strategic scale nuclear attack. This wouldn't be possible without immense and irredeemable backlash for the US.

What’s the point nuking Iran?
Don’t forget non-nuclear countries rely on the assumption nuclear countries will never use it, unless being attacked by nuclear weapons.
If this assumption goes away then we ALL are fuxxk.
I find daily nuclear threat by Putin and his dumb stooges very dangerous.

 

[Musings]

Stick to the topic or you and your posts will be removed

 

[Nawnaw1]

Anyway, too much doom and gloom, too much nonsense talk about being nuked etc. Lets hope for time to pass so that we get more information on what is happening.

I implore all people on the forum to try to focus on the hard facts on the ground. This mou or coming agreement isn´t a corporate agreement with all the fine prints hashed out. This is a geopolitical event that has some enforcable actions in the framework of a failed war.

Anybody who thinks this mou or future agreement is a way of America achieving in negotiations what it couldn't achieve militarily is a huge buffoon and should be ignored.

America did what it COULD to Iran. There is nothing more they could do. Sure they got ohio submarines and whatever submarines, but those can NOT be used. It's time to understand things in the bigger picture. Pakistan could have in theory nuked India, but it didn't. There's a reason for that. You can't just go around nuking countries. Even with rabid zio's in power behind the scenes.

You think 50 years of sanctions to various degrees weren't meant to prevent Iran from prospering and meant to weaken Iran as much as possible, so they just had to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure would collapse (hitler on soviet union too). They kicked the door. It remained closed. Now America's legs hurt badly and they have to leave.

 

[Defence Alpha]

"...the Indians couldn't cut a cow in half...."

India has cut Pakistan into half in 1971 without owning Ohio or any such submarine.

Do not mix things up. Thx

 

[Musings]

"...the Indians couldn't cut a cow in half...."

India has cut Pakistan into half in 1971 without owning Ohio or any such submarine.

Do not mix things up. Thx

What has this to do with the topic? Last warning