Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Just ONE US Navy Ohio class submarine can annihilate an entire country the size of Iran at least 10 times over.

This is a corrupt and very quick way for Trump and his cronies to make hundreds of billions of $$ from market speculation over the weekend while the Zionists tried to plunge the USA into another war as a side salad.

Even the Russians wouldn't want to go up against the US Navy submarine fleet.

The 1971 issue was in internal civil war set up by the Soviet KGB which trained Mujeeb and the likes, who took advantage of failure of govt response to floods from prior years and made it an issue of ethnicity and language.

The USA didn't need to send anything except one submarine at that time to send shiver down India's spine.

The USA was mostly concerned about the USSR and was focused entirely on Vietnam at that time.

A single Ohio class submarine can completely annihilate India before lunch and the Indians wouldn't even see it coming.

On their own the Indians couldn't cut a cow in half. So let's just be grown ups here.
Putin will not nuke Ukraine, Trump won’t nuke Iran. That’s not because they don’t want to. That’s because at least 10 non-nuclear countries will acquire nuclear weapons tomorrow. Having nukes for industrial countries is not difficult. It’s much easier than making cars.

And you should understand their motives. In the case of Ukraine it makes no sense for Putin to nuke Ukraine. He wants to steal lands and resources what he gets from nuclear ashes?
Trump has different motives towards Iran.
 
US is far from the only country with SSBN and SLBMs armed with MIRV megaton warheads.

Indeed India has its own SSBN outside of Russian control because India currently only has Russian SSN not SSBN. India doesn't have SLBM in the intercontinental range yet so in case Ohio decides to end India, Indian SSBNs would have to sail closer to the US and nuke the US in retaliation. Iran isn't yet a nuclear power and even further from having credible nuclear delivery capability but nuclear isn't an option for the US, maybe for Israel and Israel has sort of become an international pariah already despite all the hundreds of billions spent on propaganda to do the exact opposite.

Ohio class ending Iran can only be possible with strategic scale nuclear attack. This wouldn't be possible without immense and irredeemable backlash for the US.
What’s the point nuking Iran?
Don’t forget non-nuclear countries rely on the assumption nuclear countries will never use it, unless being attacked by nuclear weapons.
If this assumption goes away then we ALL are fuxxk.
I find daily nuclear threat by Putin and his dumb stooges very dangerous.
 
Anyway, too much doom and gloom, too much nonsense talk about being nuked etc. Lets hope for time to pass so that we get more information on what is happening.

I implore all people on the forum to try to focus on the hard facts on the ground. This mou or coming agreement isn´t a corporate agreement with all the fine prints hashed out. This is a geopolitical event that has some enforcable actions in the framework of a failed war.

Anybody who thinks this mou or future agreement is a way of America achieving in negotiations what it couldn't achieve militarily is a huge buffoon and should be ignored.

America did what it COULD to Iran. There is nothing more they could do. Sure they got ohio submarines and whatever submarines, but those can NOT be used. It's time to understand things in the bigger picture. Pakistan could have in theory nuked India, but it didn't. There's a reason for that. You can't just go around nuking countries. Even with rabid zio's in power behind the scenes.

You think 50 years of sanctions to various degrees weren't meant to prevent Iran from prospering and meant to weaken Iran as much as possible, so they just had to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure would collapse (hitler on soviet union too). They kicked the door. It remained closed. Now America's legs hurt badly and they have to leave.
 
Unfortunately, in Iran, the predictions of optimists have always been wrong, while those of pessimists have always come true. Those who support the negotiations should be ashamed to recall that they supported them even before Khamenei was assassinated in a cowardly ambush. The United States will never withdraw; it will remain in the Middle East forever. It will absolutely not retreat until Iran is destroyed. Every step Iran takes backward brings it that much closer to annihilation. The Iranian people should finally learn a lesson from North Korea, which has not only survived unscathed but has also recently achieved remarkable modernization.
 
-Reports from Tehran’s Darvazeh Shemiran area say supporters of the Islamic Republic clashed with security forces, with some accusing authorities of “selling out” their leader’s blood and threatening self-immolation, according to activist Ilia Hashemi. Firefighters were reportedly placed on standby near the gathering.


So desperated may be those people to run such phamplet against the deal.
And if this money came from frozen assets, does It decrease merit in the general arrangement of the deal???.

US dropped the ballistic missile power, the influence over the allies in the region and avoided the delivery of the HEU at 60%.

Obviously Irán could squeeze a bit more the Orange... But at what price?.
 
The point I'm not seeing people understand is, the mou phase, let's call it that, is very easily reversible. Very easily. Iran will not allow itself to be caged again economically. So all the doomers saying "Us can sanction Iran at will". So? If so, Iran closes Hormuz again at will.

I will join the doom/gloom club of shahpuril and Persian Gulf if the 5th fleet goes back to Bahrain and if us bases will be reconstructed. Because they have only one goal, anti Iranian action. If that doesn't happen, I will be right and the US will have an actual detente and withdrawal from the immediate area of Iran.

Next stop: Azerbaijan needs to be brutally warned, their days of being a colony of pissrael are over. They're the easiest of all, all talk no bite. And the KRG region with pjak etc.
 
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PEPE ESCOBAR: He is a famous journalist and Brazilian geopolitics expert; he wrote this text and tells this incredible story :

MOSCOW and ST. PETERSBURG -
On Monday, June 1st, on Power Shift, a new independent geopolitical platform, Zulfiqar Ali, Larry Johnson and myself revealed what for all practical purposes is an uber-bombshell piece of information: if long dark clouds keep coming down, Tehran is ready to pivot from nuclear ambiguity to actually detonating a nuclear device on Iranian soil.
Less than a week later, the Power Shift page was censored on YouTube – with no explanation and no appeal. Yet what we revealed had already been detailed in several podcasts and interviews throughout last week, as in here and here (with myself and Larry); here; and at the St. Petersburg forum, here. I published a detailed background preceding the release of the information, written just before Iran’s negotiating team suspended the exchange of all (italics mine) texts and messages with the US via mediator Pakistan.
When it comes to the redaction of perhaps the final draft of an endlessly debated Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) between Iran and the US, it suddenly became crystal clear that it’s all about Lebanon. Iran repeatedly reiterated it was ready to ditch the already comatose “ceasefire” if the death cult in West Asia proceeded with its threat of bombing Dahiyeh, the Shi’ite-majority suburb of southern Beirut.
Confronted by Trump, the leader of the death cult was forced to back down. For only a few days. Trump desperately needs an MoU and an extended ceasefire to be marketed as “Victory”. His (italics mine) Victory.
All that was happening, fast and furious, on the trail of a fateful, extremely sensitive, 105-minute phone call on Thursday, May 28, between Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian and Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif.
Islamabad is the sole functioning and trusted head-of-government back-channel between Tehran and Washington. Our sources revealed that during the phone call, Pezeshkian delivered a formally structured, three-step ultimatum to be communicated to the White House with absolute clarity:
1. No more nuclear talks. As in the priority is the end of all wars, against Iran and the Axis of Resistance.
2. No more prospective nuclear treaty framework. As in no discussions leading to a possible, diluted JCPOA 2.0; only after settling the end of the wars and the status of the Strait of Hormuz.
3. If US threats persist, Pezeshkian said, that would lead to the “detonation of a nuclear device on Iranian soil” - executed not as an act of war, but as an irreversible, sovereign demonstration of capability to control escalation dominance.

What is particularly stunning is none of the above is about diplomatic posturing. What we had is the President of Iran relaying what is essentially a decision by Leader Mojtaba Khamenei, signaling that if Washington crosses the next threshold, Tehran would pivot instantly from nuclear ambiguity to undeniable demonstration.
And that would imply a permanent rupture of the global non-proliferation system – with unforeseen consequences.
The China-Iran-Pakistan strategic alignment Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif obviously did the math on the scale of such intelligence. He immediately told Pakistani Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar - who was in New York for UN Security Council sessions - to deliver the information to Washington.
Dar bypassed the whole bureaucratic apparatus, directly calling US Secretary of State Marco Rubio in New York. The message, from Tehran to the Trump administration, was stark: the escalation ladder now features a terminal rung.
Rubio “may” (and that’s the operative word) have recognized the supreme gravity of what is in fact a formal nuclear ultimatum. He briefed Trump. The day after, May 29, Trump abruptly stopped any further kinetic action. And his incendiary rhetoric was instantly toned down.
This had nothing to do with a sudden fit of strategic restraint in the War-a-Lago/Oval Office axis. It was the direct, downstream result of the Sharif-Dar-Rubio back-channel.
On the morning of May 29, Dar arrived in Washington for a one-day official visit.
Sitting across from Rubio, he delivered the detailed briefing that the New York phone call had only previewed.
He placed two massive bombshells on the negotiating table:

1. Iran will not surrender any of its Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU). Nothing. Zero. And that’s final. It’s all about sovereign independence (two concepts at the center of the recent Russia-China joint declaration signed in Beijing during Putin’s official visit to Xi Jinping). So Tehran will not surrender its stockpile, whatever the terms, temporarily or not, just to comply with a face-saving mechanism designed for a US domestic audience. From the point of view of Iran’s leadership – with Mojtaba at the helm – HEU goes way beyond a technical asset; it’s the ultimate fusion of sovereignty, deterrence, leverage, and political survival.
2. China has delivered state-of-the-art strategic defense systems to Iran - including shoulder-fired MANPADs - routed covertly through third countries (and that’s why I could not get any official confirmation two weeks before in Shanghai). The breakdown: a total, operationally active China-Iran-Pakistan strategic alignment is in effect. Is an Islamabad Accord still possible?

As it stands, none of us – including our sources - know whether a nuclear weapon detonated on Iranian soil would have been developed exclusively by Iran [they do have the scientific capability]; or with possible Russian, Pakistani or North Korean help. All options are plausible. According to Prof. Ted Postol at MIT, Iran could easily convert 450 kg of 65% uranium hexafluoride into approximately 85% weapons grade: all that is needed for a low yield weapon, to be mounted into at least 10 missile delivery systems capable of reaching Israel. That means, at a minimum, 10 nuclear bombs.
Technically this sort of low yield weapon can be designed, Postol explains, with the use of a neutron reflector made of depleted uranium -- or beryllium/tungsten carbide -- and positioned immediately around the fissile core. It reflects escaping neutrons back into the nuclear material to increase fission efficiency, and reduces the required critical mass. In a nutshell: less material and more bombs.
Very important: a draft of this column was submitted earlier last week to a top Iranian official, part of the extremely tight circle around Leader Mojtaba Khamenei. His reaction: “I won’t comment on this matter”.
Beyond this no-response response, what became instantly clear is the verified transmission of the most consequential back-channel communication of the no war/no peace crisis.
It goes like this: Pezeshkian talks to Sharif; Sharif talks to Dar; Dar talks to Rubio; Rubio talks to Trump; Dar talks to Rubio face to face (during his Washington briefing).
All that throws new light over the – subsequently broken - 60-day ceasefire, the fragile off-ramp desperately needed by Trump. This framework has been organized by Pakistan and structurally backed by China – as I confirmed in Shanghai.
Tehran has insisted on the order of the proceedings, over and over again. First, all wars must stop, especially the offensive by the death cult over Lebanon. Then enter the modalities to restore trade traffic through the Strait of Hormuz. The third and last stage is to resume some sort of meaningful nuclear dialogue.
On The Big Picture, a serious structural rewrite is already on – whatever nasty ceasefire-breaking surprises may lie ahead.
As it stands: the Abraham Accords are for all practical purposes dead; Saudi Arabia has frozen all back-channel Israel “normalization” discussions; Qatar and Oman are quietly drafting military transition timelines to phase out the US from West Asia. And most crucially, a new West Asia security architecture is rapidly coalescing outside the American “protective” umbrella, driven by The Four Sunnis: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkiye and Egypt.
Last Thursday, again on Power Shift (our YouTube page was still active), Zulfiqar Ali, Larry Johnson and I identified a possible Islamabad Accord as the emerging framework for ending the US-Iran war – way before Western MSM had recognized it as the organizing architecture.
We also identified the mechanism driving it: non-stop Pakistani shuttle diplomacy, quietly but decisively backed by China.
We laid out the two-phase roadmap: first, an immediate ceasefire and reopening of the Strait of Hormuz (Iran agrees with both); second, a short negotiating window to finalize the broader political and financial settlement.
We reported that the extremely contentious release of Iran’s frozen assets was not a speculative talking point, but an active lever in the process. That asset release and possible sanctions relief were being treated as concrete confidence-building measures.

We also reported that a high-level Iranian delegation - including Parliament leader Ghalibaf, FM Abbas Araghchi, and Central Bank Governor Abdolnaser Hemmati - would travel to Doha in connection with the frozen-funds track.
That was later confirmed across the spectrum, including the fact that the central-bank component was tied directly to frozen assets.
We also advanced that Islamabad could become the stage for the final political act, including a possible Trump visit, alongside Pezeshkian: yet now that possibility seems as remote as ever.
China is just watching the river flow
These are the facts, as it stands:
Iran is far from isolated and is positioned for a prolonged war, with meaningful material and strategic backing from China, Pakistan, and North Korea, and carefully calculated support from Russia, as I confirmed during the St. Petersburg forum.
The US is paralyzed.The Trump administration may appear to want an off-ramp; but it is totally constrained by pressure from the death cult in West Asia – as we’ve seen this weekend; exhausted escalation pathways; and the absence of a decisive military option that can alter the chessboard without creating an infinitely more unmanageable crisis.
The Gulf petro-monarchies are terrified about a possible resumption of the war - with the principal exception of the UAE.
The leaves Islamabad as the only exit route in town, with Field Marshal Asim Munir positioned as the indispensable intermediary; and Beijing and Moscow following everything closely, in some respects actively shaping the outer frame.
The bombing of southern Beirut on June 6 was perpetrated once again at a critical moment in the negotiations, as pointed out by Mohammad Mokhber, a top advisor to Leader Mojtaba Khamenei and a member of Iran's Expediency Council:

“By bombing Lebanon during the presence of the mediator in Iran [he was referring to Asim Munir], the enemy set the negotiating table on fire for the third time to shout about the repeated violations of the ceasefire in all areas. We speak to the violators with the language of ‘power’; the axis of resistance is a unified body, and they will definitely receive a heavy and painful price for this aggression in the field.”

The death cult bombing of southern Beirut led to a frankly surrealist spectacle: the Trump administration scrambling after the Pakistani mediator in Tehran, begging him to intercede with the Iranians for de-escalation. The Emperor who wanted to destroy Iranian civilization had to ask Pakistan to salvage what could still be salvaged.

That means, as we reported, that with Iran setting the terms of escalation and raising its deterrence potential, and with Trump left with no cards at all, the only possible solution lies with diplomacy via Islamabad.
This week on Power Shift, in three consecutive shows from Monday to Wednesday, we will dig deeper into the intel and the diplomacy beneath these tectonic twists. And then, of course, there’s the intriguing Chinese angle.

US Think Tankland will become totally paralyzed when they finally realize that by injecting advanced military hardware into the Iranian theater of war, Beijing is actively road-testing the limits of American hegemonic coercion. And if push comes to shove, and Iran is forced into a nuclear demonstration for all the world to see, China will acquire an inexorable proof-of-concept that US deterrence is hollow. One has to marvel at the engineering of such a massive strategic masterclass - without firing a single shot.
Thanks for sharing. It is extremely interesting, he touches all keys of the piano.
 
Unfortunately, in Iran, the predictions of optimists have always been wrong, while those of pessimists have always come true. Those who support the negotiations should be ashamed to recall that they supported them even before Khamenei was assassinated in a cowardly ambush. The United States will never withdraw; it will remain in the Middle East forever. It will absolutely not retreat until Iran is destroyed. Every step Iran takes backward brings it that much closer to annihilation. The Iranian people should finally learn a lesson from North Korea, which has not only survived unscathed but has also recently achieved remarkable modernization.
Iran is much more prosperous with much more potential than N. Korea, and also survived war with USA, in toe-to-toe fighting which has its own value, and cemented its status as important player on global scale...

IMHO with such enormous resources and educated population, Iran could be optimistic about their future...
 
I’m confused. Is no nuclear enrichment a part of the deal or not?
There is no deal yet just a MOU

The MOU does not reach an understanding between the parties regarding enrichment (excerpt that Iran shall not enrich during the 60 days, which it isn’t anyway), this is to be discussed during the 60 days
 
I disagree with this assessment because this ceasefire or deal, whatever we call it, is giving the US one of its main objectives: to dismantle Iran's nuclear program.

They had 3 strategic objectives: 1. Iran's nuclear program, 2. Iran's missile program, 3. regime change. This ceasefire has literally gifted them the first one, after they failed to achieve it militarily.

Now where do you think we will be after this? I'm telling you from right now, they will move to the second objective. They will put more economic pressure on Iran and carry more strikes to eventually neutralize Iran's BM threat. Once that is achieved, they'll go for the third objective.

Iran did not concede HEU last year. The reformists wanted to hand it over on a silver platter but Khamenei and the conservatives strongly opposed that.

Bro, Iran has stated multiple times its nuclear program is for civilian purposes only.

Iran signed an agreement with Obama to do just that.

So, pls tell me how you can lose something which you had already given up a decade ago.

And which you had agreed to give up multiple times during negotiations with Trump - before the war started!!!

Stop reasoning like an Indian!!!

Your red lines of regime survival and missiles have been strengthened by this war.

And you have added SoH and sovereignty over GCC poodles to the list as well.

Israel has also been shown the limits of its Zionist fascism.
 
Look at this gents:



Easy peasy killing Indians and destroying their tankers.

No consequences other than strongly worded statements from the waiter.......lol

Irans watching India getting treated like a street pig. Not a good scene.

I bet India's buying Iranian crude and paying toll, and the US don't like it.


It’s divine retribution for India allowing USA a hit on the Iranian navy ships. And then compounding it by refusing to rescue the sailors.

India has demonstrated zero moral compass - it deserves no mercy.

India has become a cesspit under Modi.
 

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