Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[niubi]

India was always committed against imperialism from west, it was china who went in bed and slept with USA against USSR in 70s and stayed till 90s, right now on time to time you see Chinese giving free pass to USA because both of their economies are intertwined.
Fact is chinese are most non serious about multipolar world because they want same hegemony with Chinese characteristics, in-fact chinese are reason why SWIFT alternative was not adopted widely, because Chinese wanted chinese system so now each BRICS is doing thr own thing.

Now apply same logic to China which you applied to India and it fits perfectly.

You can check which nation has put the largest number of cases in WTO against USA and west, its India while Chinese are just followed west in those areas.

Also regarding de dollarisation, India is doing trade with Russia, UAE, Latin America and Africa in their local currencies, India never buys Fighter Jets from Americans even though they are ready to sell F-35 thats because India retains a wild mistrust of USA.

China built a relation with the West in the 1970s to 1990s so as to ignite its modernisation after decades of Maoism and Communism. After reforms, it recognised the need to modernise and there was no other way to achieve this than to forge some working relation.

Despite that, the entire time, China never was an ally of the West. You can make a point about how China and USSR relation soured and then China went to the West. In reality, it was just exploiting Western hatred of the USSR while China also had lots of unresolved issues with the USSR. Most forces were focused on the USSR than towards the east back then. Two birds situation. China was fearful of USSR expansion and had soured relations with USSR after Stalin and Kruschev disliked China and Mao. China saw an opportunity to extract benefits from the West during this period and more effectively counter USSR while also finding a way to modernise.

Now, China is the country consistently doing the most to counter the West. Iran is to be mentioned of course.

Putting cases to the WTO against the US is pretty pointless to be honest. Particularly for China that needs to treat the WTO with due respect given how exposed China's economy is to the whims of the masters of such entities. It's a completely different minefield China and India navigate in the world.

De-dollarisation is great. More power to it and more of it.

 

[delta2]

While supa powa USA running away from a sanctioned Iran with no Air Force and Navy , weren’t USA was kind of treaty partner of Pakistan when India split Pakistan into two in 1971, what happened then you pissed you pants while trying to enter Bay of Bengal when India was not even 10% of of her current power.
Rest world is seeing how USA cant even hold its own against Iran while begging Iran to sign a deal

Just ONE US Navy Ohio class submarine can annihilate an entire country the size of Iran at least 10 times over.

This is a corrupt and very quick way for Trump and his cronies to make hundreds of billions of $$ from market speculation over the weekend while the Zionists tried to plunge the USA into another war as a side salad.

Even the Russians wouldn't want to go up against the US Navy submarine fleet.

The 1971 issue was in internal civil war set up by the Soviet KGB which trained Mujeeb and the likes, who took advantage of failure of govt response to floods from prior years and made it an issue of ethnicity and language.

The USA didn't need to send anything except one submarine at that time to send shiver down India's spine.

The USA was mostly concerned about the USSR and was focused entirely on Vietnam at that time.

A single Ohio class submarine can completely annihilate India before lunch and the Indians wouldn't even see it coming.

On their own the Indians couldn't cut a cow in half. So let's just be grown ups here.

 

[IceCold]

It will be interesting to see if the new Gwadar/Karachi land corridor from Pakistan to Iran gets reversed back to UAE once the war is over, or if Iran decides to keep it ( ideally Iran keeps it but their choice ! ).

I wouldn't bet on it. Iran wasn't willing to sign the deal in Pakistan and preferred Geneva when we went as far as deploying our assets to protect them. They would most likely revert to UAE all things considered.

 

[KAL-EL]

Just ONE US Navy Ohio class submarine can annihilate an entire country the size of Iran at least 10 times over.

One Ohio class SSBN is essentially a civilization ender. I hope to God it's never used.

And if so used, Only as second strike capability

 

[Viet]

Just ONE US Navy Ohio class submarine can annihilate an entire country the size of Iran at least 10 times over.

This is a corrupt and very quick way for Trump and his cronies to make hundreds of billions of $$ from market speculation over the weekend while the Zionists tried to plunge the USA into another war as a side salad.

Even the Russians wouldn't want to go up against the US Navy submarine fleet.

The 1971 issue was in internal civil war set up by the Soviet KGB which trained Mujeeb and the likes, who took advantage of failure of govt response to floods from prior years and made it an issue of ethnicity and language.

The USA didn't need to send anything except one submarine at that time to send shiver down India's spine.

The USA was mostly concerned about the USSR and was focused entirely on Vietnam at that time.

A single Ohio class submarine can completely annihilate India before lunch and the Indians wouldn't even see it coming.

On their own the Indians couldn't cut a cow in half. So let's just be grown ups here.

Putin will not nuke Ukraine, Trump won’t nuke Iran. That’s not because they don’t want to. That’s because at least 10 non-nuclear countries will acquire nuclear weapons tomorrow. Having nukes for industrial countries is not difficult. It’s much easier than making cars.

And you should understand their motives. In the case of Ukraine it makes no sense for Putin to nuke Ukraine. He wants to steal lands and resources what he gets from nuclear ashes?
Trump has different motives towards Iran.

 

[Viet]

US is far from the only country with SSBN and SLBMs armed with MIRV megaton warheads.

Indeed India has its own SSBN outside of Russian control because India currently only has Russian SSN not SSBN. India doesn't have SLBM in the intercontinental range yet so in case Ohio decides to end India, Indian SSBNs would have to sail closer to the US and nuke the US in retaliation. Iran isn't yet a nuclear power and even further from having credible nuclear delivery capability but nuclear isn't an option for the US, maybe for Israel and Israel has sort of become an international pariah already despite all the hundreds of billions spent on propaganda to do the exact opposite.

Ohio class ending Iran can only be possible with strategic scale nuclear attack. This wouldn't be possible without immense and irredeemable backlash for the US.

What’s the point nuking Iran?
Don’t forget non-nuclear countries rely on the assumption nuclear countries will never use it, unless being attacked by nuclear weapons.
If this assumption goes away then we ALL are fuxxk.
I find daily nuclear threat by Putin and his dumb stooges very dangerous.

 

[Musings]

Stick to the topic or you and your posts will be removed

 

[Nawnaw1]

Anyway, too much doom and gloom, too much nonsense talk about being nuked etc. Lets hope for time to pass so that we get more information on what is happening.

I implore all people on the forum to try to focus on the hard facts on the ground. This mou or coming agreement isn´t a corporate agreement with all the fine prints hashed out. This is a geopolitical event that has some enforcable actions in the framework of a failed war.

Anybody who thinks this mou or future agreement is a way of America achieving in negotiations what it couldn't achieve militarily is a huge buffoon and should be ignored.

America did what it COULD to Iran. There is nothing more they could do. Sure they got ohio submarines and whatever submarines, but those can NOT be used. It's time to understand things in the bigger picture. Pakistan could have in theory nuked India, but it didn't. There's a reason for that. You can't just go around nuking countries. Even with rabid zio's in power behind the scenes.

You think 50 years of sanctions to various degrees weren't meant to prevent Iran from prospering and meant to weaken Iran as much as possible, so they just had to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure would collapse (hitler on soviet union too). They kicked the door. It remained closed. Now America's legs hurt badly and they have to leave.

 

[Musings]

"...the Indians couldn't cut a cow in half...."

India has cut Pakistan into half in 1971 without owning Ohio or any such submarine.

Do not mix things up. Thx

What has this to do with the topic? Last warning

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[Garcia Sea]

Unfortunately, in Iran, the predictions of optimists have always been wrong, while those of pessimists have always come true. Those who support the negotiations should be ashamed to recall that they supported them even before Khamenei was assassinated in a cowardly ambush. The United States will never withdraw; it will remain in the Middle East forever. It will absolutely not retreat until Iran is destroyed. Every step Iran takes backward brings it that much closer to annihilation. The Iranian people should finally learn a lesson from North Korea, which has not only survived unscathed but has also recently achieved remarkable modernization.

 

[Flotilla]

-Reports from Tehran’s Darvazeh Shemiran area say supporters of the Islamic Republic clashed with security forces, with some accusing authorities of “selling out” their leader’s blood and threatening self-immolation, according to activist Ilia Hashemi. Firefighters were reportedly placed on standby near the gathering.

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So desperated may be those people to run such phamplet against the deal.
And if this money came from frozen assets, does It decrease merit in the general arrangement of the deal???.

US dropped the ballistic missile power, the influence over the allies in the region and avoided the delivery of the HEU at 60%.

Obviously Irán could squeeze a bit more the Orange... But at what price?.

 

[Nawnaw1]

The point I'm not seeing people understand is, the mou phase, let's call it that, is very easily reversible. Very easily. Iran will not allow itself to be caged again economically. So all the doomers saying "Us can sanction Iran at will". So? If so, Iran closes Hormuz again at will.

I will join the doom/gloom club of shahpuril and Persian Gulf if the 5th fleet goes back to Bahrain and if us bases will be reconstructed. Because they have only one goal, anti Iranian action. If that doesn't happen, I will be right and the US will have an actual detente and withdrawal from the immediate area of Iran.

Next stop: Azerbaijan needs to be brutally warned, their days of being a colony of pissrael are over. They're the easiest of all, all talk no bite. And the KRG region with pjak etc.

 

[Flotilla]

PEPE ESCOBAR: He is a famous journalist and Brazilian geopolitics expert; he wrote this text and tells this incredible story :

MOSCOW and ST. PETERSBURG - On Monday, June 1st, on Power Shift, a new independent geopolitical platform, Zulfiqar Ali, Larry Johnson and myself revealed what for all practical purposes is an uber-bombshell piece of information: if long dark clouds keep coming down, Tehran is ready to pivot from nuclear ambiguity to actually detonating a nuclear device on Iranian soil.
Less than a week later, the Power Shift page was censored on YouTube – with no explanation and no appeal. Yet what we revealed had already been detailed in several podcasts and interviews throughout last week, as in here and here (with myself and Larry); here; and at the St. Petersburg forum, here. I published a detailed background preceding the release of the information, written just before Iran’s negotiating team suspended the exchange of all (italics mine) texts and messages with the US via mediator Pakistan.
When it comes to the redaction of perhaps the final draft of an endlessly debated Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) between Iran and the US, it suddenly became crystal clear that it’s all about Lebanon. Iran repeatedly reiterated it was ready to ditch the already comatose “ceasefire” if the death cult in West Asia proceeded with its threat of bombing Dahiyeh, the Shi’ite-majority suburb of southern Beirut.
Confronted by Trump, the leader of the death cult was forced to back down. For only a few days. Trump desperately needs an MoU and an extended ceasefire to be marketed as “Victory”. His (italics mine) Victory.
All that was happening, fast and furious, on the trail of a fateful, extremely sensitive, 105-minute phone call on Thursday, May 28, between Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian and Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif.
Islamabad is the sole functioning and trusted head-of-government back-channel between Tehran and Washington. Our sources revealed that during the phone call, Pezeshkian delivered a formally structured, three-step ultimatum to be communicated to the White House with absolute clarity:
1. No more nuclear talks. As in the priority is the end of all wars, against Iran and the Axis of Resistance.
2. No more prospective nuclear treaty framework. As in no discussions leading to a possible, diluted JCPOA 2.0; only after settling the end of the wars and the status of the Strait of Hormuz.
3. If US threats persist, Pezeshkian said, that would lead to the “detonation of a nuclear device on Iranian soil” - executed not as an act of war, but as an irreversible, sovereign demonstration of capability to control escalation dominance.

What is particularly stunning is none of the above is about diplomatic posturing. What we had is the President of Iran relaying what is essentially a decision by Leader Mojtaba Khamenei, signaling that if Washington crosses the next threshold, Tehran would pivot instantly from nuclear ambiguity to undeniable demonstration.
And that would imply a permanent rupture of the global non-proliferation system – with unforeseen consequences.
The China-Iran-Pakistan strategic alignment Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif obviously did the math on the scale of such intelligence. He immediately told Pakistani Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar - who was in New York for UN Security Council sessions - to deliver the information to Washington.
Dar bypassed the whole bureaucratic apparatus, directly calling US Secretary of State Marco Rubio in New York. The message, from Tehran to the Trump administration, was stark: the escalation ladder now features a terminal rung.
Rubio “may” (and that’s the operative word) have recognized the supreme gravity of what is in fact a formal nuclear ultimatum. He briefed Trump. The day after, May 29, Trump abruptly stopped any further kinetic action. And his incendiary rhetoric was instantly toned down.
This had nothing to do with a sudden fit of strategic restraint in the War-a-Lago/Oval Office axis. It was the direct, downstream result of the Sharif-Dar-Rubio back-channel.
On the morning of May 29, Dar arrived in Washington for a one-day official visit.
Sitting across from Rubio, he delivered the detailed briefing that the New York phone call had only previewed.
He placed two massive bombshells on the negotiating table:

1. Iran will not surrender any of its Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU). Nothing. Zero. And that’s final. It’s all about sovereign independence (two concepts at the center of the recent Russia-China joint declaration signed in Beijing during Putin’s official visit to Xi Jinping). So Tehran will not surrender its stockpile, whatever the terms, temporarily or not, just to comply with a face-saving mechanism designed for a US domestic audience. From the point of view of Iran’s leadership – with Mojtaba at the helm – HEU goes way beyond a technical asset; it’s the ultimate fusion of sovereignty, deterrence, leverage, and political survival.
2. China has delivered state-of-the-art strategic defense systems to Iran - including shoulder-fired MANPADs - routed covertly through third countries (and that’s why I could not get any official confirmation two weeks before in Shanghai). The breakdown: a total, operationally active China-Iran-Pakistan strategic alignment is in effect. Is an Islamabad Accord still possible?

As it stands, none of us – including our sources - know whether a nuclear weapon detonated on Iranian soil would have been developed exclusively by Iran [they do have the scientific capability]; or with possible Russian, Pakistani or North Korean help. All options are plausible. According to Prof. Ted Postol at MIT, Iran could easily convert 450 kg of 65% uranium hexafluoride into approximately 85% weapons grade: all that is needed for a low yield weapon, to be mounted into at least 10 missile delivery systems capable of reaching Israel. That means, at a minimum, 10 nuclear bombs.
Technically this sort of low yield weapon can be designed, Postol explains, with the use of a neutron reflector made of depleted uranium -- or beryllium/tungsten carbide -- and positioned immediately around the fissile core. It reflects escaping neutrons back into the nuclear material to increase fission efficiency, and reduces the required critical mass. In a nutshell: less material and more bombs.
Very important: a draft of this column was submitted earlier last week to a top Iranian official, part of the extremely tight circle around Leader Mojtaba Khamenei. His reaction: “I won’t comment on this matter”.
Beyond this no-response response, what became instantly clear is the verified transmission of the most consequential back-channel communication of the no war/no peace crisis.
It goes like this: Pezeshkian talks to Sharif; Sharif talks to Dar; Dar talks to Rubio; Rubio talks to Trump; Dar talks to Rubio face to face (during his Washington briefing).
All that throws new light over the – subsequently broken - 60-day ceasefire, the fragile off-ramp desperately needed by Trump. This framework has been organized by Pakistan and structurally backed by China – as I confirmed in Shanghai.
Tehran has insisted on the order of the proceedings, over and over again. First, all wars must stop, especially the offensive by the death cult over Lebanon. Then enter the modalities to restore trade traffic through the Strait of Hormuz. The third and last stage is to resume some sort of meaningful nuclear dialogue.
On The Big Picture, a serious structural rewrite is already on – whatever nasty ceasefire-breaking surprises may lie ahead.
As it stands: the Abraham Accords are for all practical purposes dead; Saudi Arabia has frozen all back-channel Israel “normalization” discussions; Qatar and Oman are quietly drafting military transition timelines to phase out the US from West Asia. And most crucially, a new West Asia security architecture is rapidly coalescing outside the American “protective” umbrella, driven by The Four Sunnis: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkiye and Egypt.
Last Thursday, again on Power Shift (our YouTube page was still active), Zulfiqar Ali, Larry Johnson and I identified a possible Islamabad Accord as the emerging framework for ending the US-Iran war – way before Western MSM had recognized it as the organizing architecture.
We also identified the mechanism driving it: non-stop Pakistani shuttle diplomacy, quietly but decisively backed by China.
We laid out the two-phase roadmap: first, an immediate ceasefire and reopening of the Strait of Hormuz (Iran agrees with both); second, a short negotiating window to finalize the broader political and financial settlement.
We reported that the extremely contentious release of Iran’s frozen assets was not a speculative talking point, but an active lever in the process. That asset release and possible sanctions relief were being treated as concrete confidence-building measures.

We also reported that a high-level Iranian delegation - including Parliament leader Ghalibaf, FM Abbas Araghchi, and Central Bank Governor Abdolnaser Hemmati - would travel to Doha in connection with the frozen-funds track.
That was later confirmed across the spectrum, including the fact that the central-bank component was tied directly to frozen assets.
We also advanced that Islamabad could become the stage for the final political act, including a possible Trump visit, alongside Pezeshkian: yet now that possibility seems as remote as ever.
China is just watching the river flow
These are the facts, as it stands:
Iran is far from isolated and is positioned for a prolonged war, with meaningful material and strategic backing from China, Pakistan, and North Korea, and carefully calculated support from Russia, as I confirmed during the St. Petersburg forum.
The US is paralyzed.The Trump administration may appear to want an off-ramp; but it is totally constrained by pressure from the death cult in West Asia – as we’ve seen this weekend; exhausted escalation pathways; and the absence of a decisive military option that can alter the chessboard without creating an infinitely more unmanageable crisis.
The Gulf petro-monarchies are terrified about a possible resumption of the war - with the principal exception of the UAE.
The leaves Islamabad as the only exit route in town, with Field Marshal Asim Munir positioned as the indispensable intermediary; and Beijing and Moscow following everything closely, in some respects actively shaping the outer frame.
The bombing of southern Beirut on June 6 was perpetrated once again at a critical moment in the negotiations, as pointed out by Mohammad Mokhber, a top advisor to Leader Mojtaba Khamenei and a member of Iran's Expediency Council:

“By bombing Lebanon during the presence of the mediator in Iran [he was referring to Asim Munir], the enemy set the negotiating table on fire for the third time to shout about the repeated violations of the ceasefire in all areas. We speak to the violators with the language of ‘power’; the axis of resistance is a unified body, and they will definitely receive a heavy and painful price for this aggression in the field.”

The death cult bombing of southern Beirut led to a frankly surrealist spectacle: the Trump administration scrambling after the Pakistani mediator in Tehran, begging him to intercede with the Iranians for de-escalation. The Emperor who wanted to destroy Iranian civilization had to ask Pakistan to salvage what could still be salvaged.

That means, as we reported, that with Iran setting the terms of escalation and raising its deterrence potential, and with Trump left with no cards at all, the only possible solution lies with diplomacy via Islamabad.
This week on Power Shift, in three consecutive shows from Monday to Wednesday, we will dig deeper into the intel and the diplomacy beneath these tectonic twists. And then, of course, there’s the intriguing Chinese angle.

US Think Tankland will become totally paralyzed when they finally realize that by injecting advanced military hardware into the Iranian theater of war, Beijing is actively road-testing the limits of American hegemonic coercion. And if push comes to shove, and Iran is forced into a nuclear demonstration for all the world to see, China will acquire an inexorable proof-of-concept that US deterrence is hollow. One has to marvel at the engineering of such a massive strategic masterclass - without firing a single shot.

Thanks for sharing. It is extremely interesting, he touches all keys of the piano.

 

[Flotilla]

I’m confused. Is no nuclear enrichment a part of the deal or not?

It is out.