PTI news, updates and discussions part ll

[HAIDER]

must watch how Pakistani leader show the excellent gesture of slavery to grade 20 US govt employee..

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@Goenitz

 

[LC150]

Depends on how one defines deal.

He will lose majority of his support base if he makes a deal. A deal in this context means, IK accepts establishment supra constitutional role. And IK allows himself to be another Zardari and Sharif.

On the other hand, if he comes out of jail absolving himself of all cooked up charges and is free to lead PTI and contest elections, while he tones down his rhetoric against the boys. That may work.

Interesting thing is, unlike his predecessors he ain’t making a deal and the boys are completely naked in the eyes of the public this time. So IK knows he has leverage, to an extent.

correct

the only reason he has massive support across sectors of society is because he isnt bending down the to criminal mafia running the state.

some people say so what?

the difference is now every one know what Pakistan's real problem... or the problem maker is... from the hordes of Afghans to non stop terrorism there was only institution behind all of this.

 

[PakAl]

Imran Khan is now being given space on the media?

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[Goenitz]

the only reason he has massive support across sectors of society is because he isnt bending down the to criminal mafia running the state.

Our military setup, directly or indirectly, has never let any hero to rise. Every hero is either corrupt or traitor or of loose character.

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Our scientists, economists, philanthropists, politicians, bureaucrats, businessmen, etc., are all corrupt, and heroes are only military men.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Our military setup, directly or indirectly, has never let any hero to rise. Every hero is either corrupt or traitor or of loose character.

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Our scientists, economists, philanthropists, politicians, bureaucrats, businessmen, etc., are all corrupt, and heroes are only military men.

Be creative in your imagination….

 

[Goenitz]

i beg to differ, one positive and negative aspect of Imran's personality is that he does what ever the heck he thinks, he seldom consider anyone's input prime example being Bajwa along with several other party members constantly gave him input on Buzdar but he remain adamant

Let's continue here.

Essentially, it is the outcome of his mandate acceptance, even after some seats were taken from PTI to form an absolute majority. Khawaja Asif himself said how he got his seat.

IK didn't want to appoint between Aleem Khan (Bajwa's choice) and Jahangeer (he has some MPAs in his pocket). So, he appointed Buzdar to directly control Punjab. His opposition blamed that to his wife.

On one hand, he is the PM. He can do whatever he wants under the constitution, even revealing the cypher.
On the other hand, he should have taken the GHQ recommendations on some international issue.

BTW I forgot, IK didn't meet the CIA chief also due to GHQ recommendation. That was one of his biggest mistakes.

 

[Jango007]

When you have dirty filthy dogs like Wadhwa licking his army boss’s butt this is what we get …… in Karachi I remember word commonly used to describe him and his boss …. chootias ….

فیلڈ مارشل عاصم منیر نے معاہدے کا مسودہ تیار کرکے ٹائپ بھی خود کیا: فیصل واوڈا

فیصل واوڈا نے کہا کہ فیلڈ مارشل سیدعاصم منیر نے امریکا ایران معاہدہ کا ڈرافٹ خود تیار کیا اور اسے اپنے لیپ ٹاپ پر ٹائپ بھی خود کیا۔

jang.com.pk

 

[Jango007]

Attended dinner for Namal fund raising …. People went crazy over an old video of Ik that was played …. Donation goal was met in 30 min .

He has the draw and power no human today exerts over the crowd ….. absolutely every single person I met was giving lanat to Asim Munir and Mian saanp ….

 

[Jango007]

I was offered $20000 for the bat signed by IK . I told the organizer even at $2 million I won’t part with it.

 

[Goenitz]

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[Oscar]

Our military setup, directly or indirectly, has never let any hero to rise. Every hero is either corrupt or traitor or of loose character.

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Our scientists, economists, philanthropists, politicians, bureaucrats, businessmen, etc., are all corrupt, and heroes are only military men.

This would be partially true.
If you do not disagree with them or exceed their "worth" then you are a celebrated hero.

Edhi is celebrated.
Dr Salam is
Dr Ruth is
and so on.

Anything crossing those two boundaries is what makes your statement true which you generalized and oddly self satisfied your cultism by creating the absolute enemy.

Which at the end wont ever solve the problem because you are Pakistani and therefore suffer the same flaws out of uniform and might engage in the same.

The only difference is that you might be held accountable, they are very rarely held accountable. If you only answer to that is "all military bad" then you are basically proving a mirror image of your own accusation against the military.

 

[Oscar]

I was offered $20000 for the bat signed by IK . I told the organizer even at $2 million I won’t part with it.

I would have bargained and taken more and given part to charity , maybe a school or hospital.... but I suppose that 2 million is better because good old biradari in action?
Mera sardar, meri zaat, mera Imran Khan..

not invested in an idea but a man.. this is why EVERY movement fails because this good old centuries old devotion to the person and not the idea..

meanwhile the man who supposedly talks to Riyasat e Medina has followers who think of status acts... I am the most devoted. My honor and identity is tied to this man.

This is precisely how Pakistan has reset to zero after every "movement" in its history. Bhuttoism died with Bhutto. Ayub's "decade of development" died with Ayub. The idea was never bigger than the person because the person was always the idea.

Every hour spent valorizing a signed bat is an hour not spent asking:
why did the movement fail structurally?
What institutions were built?
What changed in the land ownership laws, the braderi courts and mentality, the madrassa curriculum?
Was even a single corrupt individual prosected? Did the military get in line?

The answer to all of those is: nothing.

Because the movement was always about the man, not the mechanism.

The messiah fantasy is dangerous not because the messiah is always corrupt or wrong but it teaches an entire society to wait rather than build.

And a society that has been waiting for a savior since 1947 has, by now, developed waiting into a civilization-level habit.... PROVE ME WRONG.

Also, bet you the bat that your immediate response is whataboutism on the military, implying either I support their actions or the existing system or some form of blanket statements that helps you calm your nerves and be able to use some existing script or "US vs them" Narrative.

Keep the bat.
But understand what it actually is: a very expensive mirror showing you exactly why the system cannot change.