Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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PakAl
Elite Member
Its the fault of the Muslims themselves, look at Iran war, no Muslim nation except GCC puppets supported this war, if tomorrow Muslims refuse any war against Islamic nations, do not support extremism, fundameltalism, terorrism, separatists, the nations then can develop in the next 30 years, we can then stand up for ourselves in the world, defend our people. Lots of respect for Pakistan and Turkey.
Musings
Administrator
Sir may i take this opportunity and ask you how many posts do you put up a day with the words “Lets us wait and see”?
TAC
Registered Member
So Iran can now have missiles because others have them and they’ll have to be given their money back too!!. My my, what a change of tune from a couple of months ago. Looks like Iran knocked some sense into this Orange idiot lol.
VCheng
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
Sir, it depends on how many premature celebrations are declared. The number is entirely proportional, one may safely assume.
Meengla
Elite Member
Top of my head since becoming POTUS second time, he has publicly insulted: MBS (Saudi Arabia), Netanyahu (Israel), France, Canada, India... and certainly more!
But never Pakistan! He is by far the best President Pakistan had since Nixon! I don't like Trump but from the Pakistani perspective... ain't that bad especially compared with the ivory tower senile arrogant Biden.
RocketLaw
Registered Member
Trump’s press conference was INSANE:
He confirmed that:
• Iran gets $300B + $100B unfrozen
• Iran has the RIGHT to ballistic missiles
• The U.S. was running out of oil
• A worldwide depression was coming
I was predicting all of this from the first week including that REPARATIONS were coming and got a lot of hate for it.
The sellout MAGA frauds are now going to change their entire life-philosophy and deeply held “principles” over night.
Trump is on his knees. This was ALWASY the ONLY way it was going to end. Even if he thinks he can start the war again. Iran will always win.
It’s check mate. Always has been.
Shags101
Trusted Member
'Trump should renege': Iran deal faces backlash from conservative allies
Trump's Iran peace framework faces fierce criticism from allies like Pence, Haley, and Greene, who call the 14-point agreement an American surrender.
www.foxnews.com
lamdacore
Registered Member
Iran never needed the HEU..it was arm twisting from them for the JCPOA. They raised the alarm but not enough to make it look like they were on the cusp of becoming a nuclear power and inviting a war as a result. It is besides the point that war came nonetheless and Iran clearly blamed IAEA Rafael Mariano Grossi for providing sensitive information to the US and Israel that formulated their war of choice.
The rest of the comment is answered at the very end because it is a common answer to other suggesting the same that Iran has lost.
Iran has come out on top. It clearly demonstrated its willingness to pursue war with Israel with the launches of ballistic missiles at them. The US begged Iran not to go for a second round. I dont think you realise how badly Hezbollah is harassing the IDF independently. Sure they are taking it on the chin but they are also shoving those FPV up Israeli arses.
Israel has clearly overreached...they can not sustain these occupations because they just dont have the numbers to do it. The reserves called up have drained essential and critical manpower for the industries and the economy they need to run. It is not sustainable. They are simply looking for a win which no longer exists.
Iran tying Lebanon to the peace deal also guarantees that it can continue to maintain these proxy forces and implicitly gains US acceptance in the MoU. That is why it is a big deal contrary to what you suggest.
This is a historic defeat and a major one. Yes, militarily the losses are not too high and are replaceable. However, the damage to its prestige will be enduring. Tell me that countries stronger than Iran will not look at US in the eye and challenge them moving forward. Iran has demonstrated 21st war against 20th century superpower. There is no coming back from this. US strategy for the middle east is in tatters. The very fact the $300B clause exists means that GCC and other countries have accepted that US bases was the wrong strategy to contain Iran and did nothing. However, if the Iranian development is tightly tied with regional investment then makes it much harder for Iran to go on the offensive against regional players as its economy would be tightly integrated. This can not happen unless sanctions are lifted and that is why these two clauses are supplementary to each other...it makes sense. We are witnessing the decades of policies of containing Iran collapsing on itself and with that the plan for Greater Israel.
Yes, there is a reason why there is desparation to open the SoH. If this deal did not happen, the world was fast approaching the end of the strategic reserves cushion. Had that been depleted, you and I would have been living in a very different world and not here on this forum because we would be asking how do we get by day to day.
Unlikely, the absolute admission on Trump's part is that they on the verge of a global economic disaster because of SoH closure is absolutely eye opening. The US fought hard to wiggle out of it but Iran stood firm and the US was absolutely helpless. This MoU was the only way to get that open.
So to all of you, the real weapon of this war was absolutely the SoH. Iran held the world by its balls and was squeezing them hard and everyone felt it. It was Pakistan that helped and convinced Iran to loosen its grip.
What I have picked up from this MoU that this is done and the pre-requisite is to open the SoH and lifting of the US blockade. This is the most damaging element of the entire war and will remain so. Iran now knows how to control these discussions. If the US or Israel become sneaky on their part, Iran can close the SoH at will. US coming back to bomb Iran is not as simple as it seems....it is very taxing to move that much military hardware and to keep it operational...it is an excessive drain in term of economic cost.
Once the blockade is lifted and the SoH open....no one would want to come back to this position. This also means that Iran will fire at Israel and the US is not going to defend it.
Trump, for better or worse, has realised this was a mistake. We all poke fun at him but at least his senile mind finally understood the gravity of the situation. He is a businessman and he took the best deal on the table and cut his losses and he is out. He is not a stateman who is going to still stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel. The opportunity is lost and has no more dividends to give. I would not be surprised if the US opens up its embassy in Tehran at the conclusion of these deals and integrate itself with the Iranian economy which is going to be many folds larger than Israel with a much larger and hungrier population presenting a massive market and it would prove to be more enticing if the sanctions are lifted properly.
The immediate winner here is Iran, the winner down the track could be the US, the heroes on the sides are GCC, Pakistan, Egypt, and Turkey, and the absolute loser is Israel.
One thing that should stand out from all of this.....it is by the will of Allah we are witnessing this. Iran was the only country that stood tall in front of tyranny and opression and war was thrust upon it. Yet, here we are....for all to witness. Allah has given Iran an unbelievable victory.
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