Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

VCheng said:
Fair enough, let us wait and see what the final wording is on Friday once it is signed, and the next steps. After all, what is the rush? The war is well over a 100 days already. A few more days is not much more to add to that.
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Sir may i take this opportunity and ask you how many posts do you put up a day with the words “Lets us wait and see”?
 
Musings said:
Sir may i take this opportunity and ask you how many posts do you put up a day with the words “Lets us wait and see”?
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Sir, it depends on how many premature celebrations are declared. The number is entirely proportional, one may safely assume.
 
PakAl said:
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Top of my head since becoming POTUS second time, he has publicly insulted: MBS (Saudi Arabia), Netanyahu (Israel), France, Canada, India... and certainly more!
But never Pakistan! He is by far the best President Pakistan had since Nixon! I don't like Trump but from the Pakistani perspective... ain't that bad especially compared with the ivory tower senile arrogant Biden.
 


Trump’s press conference was INSANE:

He confirmed that:

• Iran gets $300B + $100B unfrozen
• Iran has the RIGHT to ballistic missiles
• The U.S. was running out of oil
• A worldwide depression was coming

I was predicting all of this from the first week including that REPARATIONS were coming and got a lot of hate for it.

The sellout MAGA frauds are now going to change their entire life-philosophy and deeply held “principles” over night.

Trump is on his knees. This was ALWASY the ONLY way it was going to end. Even if he thinks he can start the war again. Iran will always win.

It’s check mate. Always has been.
 
Eşbah said:
A covert surrender of IRI. Turns out that all of Vance' statements were correct. Iran is giving up her highly enriched uranium and every step of the Iranian nuclear program is getting under the supervision of IAEA.

The situation in Israel has politically imploded because they were unable to achieve all their objectives from this conflict [no missiles, civil war, no nuclear, more sanctions]. It is important that we do not allow our feelings to cloud our judgment. I do not perceive this as a victory for Iran, even if the sanctions were to be lifted, which I believe is unlikely, but that is merely my perspective. Many overlook the upcoming two months of negotiations. If this MoU represents the least that both parties have agreed to, then what lies ahead will likely impose even greater restrictions on Iran's nuclear program.

In my opinion, the United States has emerged as the winner. Iran will be permitted to continue its ballistic program along with some degree of sanctions relief, but it will essentially abandon its nuclear program.

What are you guys celebrating here? The Iranians lost the war if this is the outcome.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm open to change my opinion.
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Iran never needed the HEU..it was arm twisting from them for the JCPOA. They raised the alarm but not enough to make it look like they were on the cusp of becoming a nuclear power and inviting a war as a result. It is besides the point that war came nonetheless and Iran clearly blamed IAEA Rafael Mariano Grossi for providing sensitive information to the US and Israel that formulated their war of choice.

The rest of the comment is answered at the very end because it is a common answer to other suggesting the same that Iran has lost.


RedRock said:
I dont understand how people can be happy so soon. Sort of premature.

Iran will be losing its nuclear material. If it refuses to let go of it, the bombing will resume. If it does not give it up then Iran has definetly won!

Also, Lebanon is a goner. Israel will not retreat. If it does, then it will definetly be a win, no question about it.

Will the funds for reconstruction be released to Iran. Trump will not send a dime, probably he will ask the Arabs instead. If Iran gets it, then yes, it's a win on that front.

Sanction removal is by far the best outcome if it's implemented. Irans development was being held back just because of that. They are a tenacious bunch of people, highly educated and with removal of sanctions they will easily overtake every country in the region, economically and militarily.

But, Netanyahu's minions have already started threatening the paedophile regime in US with releasing more files. Will it cause Trump to back track or is Netanyahu doing it so that they are given a free hand in lebanon. Time will tell.

Iran should realise that they should not risk their country because of lebanon. I feel they should wait till they have a strong air defence and air force before attacking Israel again if Israel does not stop attacking lebanon or does not return the land. They should go into over drive to have everything within 3 to 6 months and then go ballistic on Israel. But until then just rearm and regroup. Send thousands of FPV drones and hundreds of missiles to Hezbollah and Yemen and then attack Israel if they continue their madness in lebanon or gaza.

But for now stick to the deal regardless of what Israel does in lebanon and at the same time keep threatening to walk away from the deal if Israel does not stop and return the land. So basically rearm themselves, Hezbollah and yemen till they are ready for another round and capable of blocking hormuz and the other side as well.

Edit: Iran should purchase from turkey, China or even pakistan and build stuff themselves. Forget Russia completely
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Iran has come out on top. It clearly demonstrated its willingness to pursue war with Israel with the launches of ballistic missiles at them. The US begged Iran not to go for a second round. I dont think you realise how badly Hezbollah is harassing the IDF independently. Sure they are taking it on the chin but they are also shoving those FPV up Israeli arses.

Israel has clearly overreached...they can not sustain these occupations because they just dont have the numbers to do it. The reserves called up have drained essential and critical manpower for the industries and the economy they need to run. It is not sustainable. They are simply looking for a win which no longer exists.

Iran tying Lebanon to the peace deal also guarantees that it can continue to maintain these proxy forces and implicitly gains US acceptance in the MoU. That is why it is a big deal contrary to what you suggest.

krash said:
I don't exactly see it as a defeat for the US either, a debacle yes but just another day in a hegemon's life. It will just walk away with losses it can recoup and still rule the world for its own benefit. The US was there because of the Israeli collar, seems to have shifted a little...Netanyahu should be worried. Nadan dost se dana dushman behtar hai. He isn't fluent in Urdu.
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This is a historic defeat and a major one. Yes, militarily the losses are not too high and are replaceable. However, the damage to its prestige will be enduring. Tell me that countries stronger than Iran will not look at US in the eye and challenge them moving forward. Iran has demonstrated 21st war against 20th century superpower. There is no coming back from this. US strategy for the middle east is in tatters. The very fact the $300B clause exists means that GCC and other countries have accepted that US bases was the wrong strategy to contain Iran and did nothing. However, if the Iranian development is tightly tied with regional investment then makes it much harder for Iran to go on the offensive against regional players as its economy would be tightly integrated. This can not happen unless sanctions are lifted and that is why these two clauses are supplementary to each other...it makes sense. We are witnessing the decades of policies of containing Iran collapsing on itself and with that the plan for Greater Israel.

ParthianLord said:
Trump claims USA would have collapsed if he not ended the War with Iran "As they would have run out of Oil"

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Yes, there is a reason why there is desparation to open the SoH. If this deal did not happen, the world was fast approaching the end of the strategic reserves cushion. Had that been depleted, you and I would have been living in a very different world and not here on this forum because we would be asking how do we get by day to day.

ShapurII said:
Too early to celebrate anything, I think the US is playing a dirty game with our negotiators.

The US will not uphold its end of the bargain. Remember this.
This MoU is just an excuse for the US to do something about international oil reserves and their air defense.

However, if the final deal ever happens and all sanctions on Iran, including UNSC sanctions, primary & secondary US sanctions and EU sanctions are lifted indefinitely, then it is absolutely an undeniable victory for Iran.
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Unlikely, the absolute admission on Trump's part is that they on the verge of a global economic disaster because of SoH closure is absolutely eye opening. The US fought hard to wiggle out of it but Iran stood firm and the US was absolutely helpless. This MoU was the only way to get that open.


So to all of you, the real weapon of this war was absolutely the SoH. Iran held the world by its balls and was squeezing them hard and everyone felt it. It was Pakistan that helped and convinced Iran to loosen its grip.

What I have picked up from this MoU that this is done and the pre-requisite is to open the SoH and lifting of the US blockade. This is the most damaging element of the entire war and will remain so. Iran now knows how to control these discussions. If the US or Israel become sneaky on their part, Iran can close the SoH at will. US coming back to bomb Iran is not as simple as it seems....it is very taxing to move that much military hardware and to keep it operational...it is an excessive drain in term of economic cost.

Once the blockade is lifted and the SoH open....no one would want to come back to this position. This also means that Iran will fire at Israel and the US is not going to defend it.

Trump, for better or worse, has realised this was a mistake. We all poke fun at him but at least his senile mind finally understood the gravity of the situation. He is a businessman and he took the best deal on the table and cut his losses and he is out. He is not a stateman who is going to still stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel. The opportunity is lost and has no more dividends to give. I would not be surprised if the US opens up its embassy in Tehran at the conclusion of these deals and integrate itself with the Iranian economy which is going to be many folds larger than Israel with a much larger and hungrier population presenting a massive market and it would prove to be more enticing if the sanctions are lifted properly.

The immediate winner here is Iran, the winner down the track could be the US, the heroes on the sides are GCC, Pakistan, Egypt, and Turkey, and the absolute loser is Israel.

One thing that should stand out from all of this.....it is by the will of Allah we are witnessing this. Iran was the only country that stood tall in front of tyranny and opression and war was thrust upon it. Yet, here we are....for all to witness. Allah has given Iran an unbelievable victory.
 
BananaRepublic said:
If Pakistan didn’t have nukes - India would threaten to nuke 24/7.
Their rabid dog saffrons would also demand tactical nukes if India ever got into a hole fighting a conventional war.
Nukes puts a ceiling on how far conventional wars can escalate.
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I didn't want to jump into the nukes or no nukes debate but kind of relevant here: So in early May 1998, India tested its nukes and declared itself a nuclear power. Right after that, the Indian Defense Minister George Fernandes said something like 'China is India's greatest strategic threat'. And then the Indian officials also said things like 'Pakistan should be aware of the changed strategic situation in the region when Pakistan thinks about Kashmir'. That was obviously a nuclear blackmail to Pakistan, which was till that time not a declared nuclear state. Pakistan also tested its own nukes the end of May 1998. The rest is history, as they say. The internet was not as fast those days but I still remember those days from online sites.
And the bolded part is right on!
 
Meengla said:
I didn't want to jump into the nukes or no nukes debate but kind of relevant here: So in early May 1998, India tested its nukes and declared itself a nuclear power. Right after that, the Indian Defense Minister George Fernandes said something like 'China is India's greatest strategic threat'. And then the Indian officials also said things like 'Pakistan should be aware of the changed strategic situation in the region when Pakistan thinks about Kashmir'. That was obviously a nuclear blackmail to Pakistan, which was till that time not a declared nuclear state. Pakistan also tested its own nukes the end of May 1998. The rest is history, as they say. The internet was not as fast those days but I still remember those days from online sites.
And the bolded part is right on!
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Nukes puts a ceiling on how far conventional wars can escalate.

I actually agree on that part world would be a better place if nuclear weapons weren’t around and pretty scary when you have two countries who would be more than willing to use nuclear weapons without even batting an eye namely Israel and North Korea if they believed they couldn’t win a conventional war
 
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