Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

Benazir was right. Zia got armtwisted into radicalizing half of Pakistan into becoming a proxy for the west against the Soviets.

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He should have asked for jets and missiles instead of assisting in giving birth to the taliban.

However he had bought time so that Pakistan could complete its nuclear program because declining the west would have meant further scrutiny and it would have ended with air strikes like what happened with Iraq.

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Distant_Observer said:
This is a state of war. The capital has been bombed twice. Karachi has been bombed.

Balochistan and KP attacked daily.

BLA and TTP leaders still moving freely in Afghanistan with no intention to target them. taliban leaders freely collaborating with their proxies with no consequences for them and their families.

No amount of "counter insurgency training" is going to provide the solution when you refuse to do the basics.
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Turkey is an excellent case study
Srilanka
Even India is good case study how to deal with difficult insurgency

Pakistan is also an excellent case study on incompetence and total failure
 
It's time now , Pakistan responds by supporting anti-Taliban resistance groups in Afghanistan. Then the Taliban would be dealing with their own guerrilla resistance launching attacks against them while we safeguarding Pakistan.
 
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The Taliban's new Imam is India.
The Afghan Taliban have sold their faith and creed to receive funding from India.

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Distant_Observer said:
Benazir was right. Zia got armtwisted into radicalizing half of Pakistan into becoming a proxy for the west against the Soviets.

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He should have asked for jets and missiles instead of assisting in giving birth to the taliban.

However he had bought time so that Pakistan could complete its nuclear program because declining the west would have meant further scrutiny and it would have ended with air strikes like what happened with Iraq.

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We had to come from a leader like Benazir Bhutto to this Billo and his corrupt father. What a disgrace to her name. After the martyrdom of Bena,ir Bhutto, if Bilawal hadn't joined politics. And instead remain bilawal zardari. I would have tremendous respect for him.
 
ghazi52 said:
The Taliban's new Imam is India.
The Afghan Taliban have sold their faith and creed to receive funding from India.

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The afghandus and taliban have practically converted to hinduism/sikhism and have become a slave race to hindutva extremism. The afghandus and taliban have also given away their women to be prostitutes for indian hindus and sikhs.
 
Pakistan's failure against Afghanistan and counter-terrorism is honestly a reflection of its state failure at large.

There are 3 important key points to understand the root issue if you want to solve the problems:

1. All of Pakistan's neighbours have extremely coherent grassroots nationalist movements in power that are physically and narratively enroaching on Pakistan's territory, both through proxies, armies and explicit claims.

In comparison, Pakistan has no nationalist movement of its own to provide a coherent counter to them, and anchor its own policies to move away from being defensive, and go on the offensive. Its always under attack and it's because its largely confused.

The current status-quo of old feudal elites is outdated and can't compete. The population is like clueless cattle being exploited. And these feudal elites are structurally suppressing any grassroots nationalist movement from emerging that can actually better govern Pakistan, because it's not in favour of their rent seeking parasitical exploitation. The military also carries a weak colonial mentality of maintaining this system which is regressive.

2. Pakistan is not just fighting isolated militant groups but an entire local ecosystem that tacitly suppports it in many ways and makes counter-terrorism harder to do, this means political agitation groups, lending support to terrorist/separatist narratives, opposing policy at every chance that can defeat it.

3. The Pakistani population is pacifist and weak, and partially that is encouraged because of a state narrative of pacifisism, religious inferiority complex, and insecurity teaching itself to condemn its own nationalism and suck up to foreigners and their achievements, but hate themselves. Again without nationalism you cant be motivated to prosper.
 
Hopefully Pessimistic said:
Pakistan's failure against Afghanistan and counter-terrorism is honestly a reflection of its state failure at large.

There are 3 important key points to understand the root issue if you want to solve the problems:

1. All of Pakistan's neighbours have extremely coherent grassroots nationalist movements in power that are physically and narratively enroaching on Pakistan's territory, both through proxies, armies and explicit claims.

In comparison, Pakistan has no nationalist movement of its own to provide a coherent counter to them, and anchor its own policies to move away from being defensive, and go on the offensive. Its always under attack and it's because its largely confused.

The current status-quo of old feudal elites is outdated and can't compete. The population is like clueless cattle being exploited. And these feudal elites are structurally suppressing any grassroots nationalist movement from emerging that can actually better govern Pakistan, because it's not in favour of their rent seeking parasitical exploitation. The military also carries a weak colonial mentality of maintaining this system which is regressive.

2. Pakistan is not just fighting isolated militant groups but an entire local ecosystem that tacitly suppports it in many ways and makes counter-terrorism harder to do, this means political agitation groups, lending support to terrorist/separatist narratives, opposing policy at every chance that can defeat it.

3. The Pakistani population is pacifist and weak, and partially that is encouraged because of a state narrative of pacifisism, religious inferiority complex, and insecurity teaching itself to condemn its own nationalism and suck up to foreigners and their achievements, but hate themselves. Again without nationalism you cant be motivated to prosper.
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So in essence, Pakistan NEEDS to create a HIGHLY nationalistic and patriotic movement that supplants pacifism and all other beliefs/systems of thinking that ALL Pakistanis can buy into.
 
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