Balochistan Terrorism Watch

[bafxet]

However, the Northern Iraq poses an even harsher geography. And the PKK/YPG - the West's best supported, funded, and equipped terrorist proxies - were crushed there by the Turkish forces! An entire section of the Turkish MIC developed specific non-conract robotic warfare gadgets especially to wipe out these scums. I am pretty sure the Pak Deep State is fully cognizant of this, and the Pak General Staffs have equipped, trained and made tactics accordingly. Now, the timing is right: US&Israil - Iran War, the Gulf is engulfed with fire, Russia is being steadily eroded, Bharat has been shown her place, Afganistan has been left to die by the rest of the World etc. And, most importantly, Pakistan has successfully placed herself as the "savior of the world" in all major fronts.....

Opportunity knocks, but once....

I wish and I pray that you are right. But my fear, here is the nexus of Modi and Netanyahu, BLA/Afghans who are merely their stooges and can be rented in lieu of money.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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This Mengal, he became billionaire in Pakistan but openly support BLA. State allow bastards like him to roam openly and misled baloch youth, give them false hope of independent Balochistan. You will have to take care of terror sympathizers who roam freely, not just terrorists in mountains.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I wish and I pray that you are right. But my fear, here is the nexus of Modi and Netanyahu, BLA/Afghans who are merely their stooges and can be rented in lieu of money.

One silver lining though. They'll be fighting for money, and the Pak forces will be fighting for an ideology. And, ideology invariably surpasses money....

 

[bafxet]

One silver lining though. They'll be fighting for money, and the Pak forces will be fighting for an ideology. And, ideology invariably surpasses money....

Here I would dissent with you. Ideology can fight fearlessly and can relentlessly achieve their objectives by shedding their blood. But not invariably sometimes it is money that wins. The neighborhood that we are living coupled by some insiders do not come and attack us in open rather they hit us from behind.

 

[Goenitz]

So according to this guy, BLA can no longer use Iran route so now have joined forces with TTP. Make sense I guess. Thanks Iran?

If Iran become no go area for BLA terrorists then bombing Afghanistan to hell will be way easier option.

lols..
they cannot control their own territory to be used against them in the main cities by israeli.
Iran lacks the capacity to monitor its border activities.

 

[Goenitz]

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This Mengal, he became billionaire in Pakistan but openly support BLA. State allow bastards like him to roam openly and misled baloch youth, give them false hope of independent Balochistan. You will have to take care of terror sympathizers who roam freely, not just terrorists in mountains.

if you start supporting Mengal, then that Bugti will be anti-military and pro-BLA.
The thing is, we exploit tribal enmity for our benefit. We never focused on people but on tribal sardars (colonial policy continuation).
The locals only feel safe under their tribe. If they get sick, need education, protection, etc., the govt doesn't help them but their tribes.

Even if you start development today, the locals would see that an extension of occupation (school/building as military garrisons, road as a means to transport military vehicles). It will take time even after development to change that mindset. @M. Sarmad your take?

 

[falcon34]

Piss poor pathetic, you've launched operation yet the terrorists are still able to get to Quetta, pathetic beyond measure.
How come no precautions were taken to make there is no repeato f ziarat attack. It's PA has forgot to fight insurgency, all that hard earned gains have been washed. **** the chief of diplomatic forces

 

[bafxet]

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This Mengal, he became billionaire in Pakistan but openly support BLA. State allow bastards like him to roam openly and misled baloch youth, give them false hope of independent Balochistan. You will have to take care of terror sympathizers who roam freely, not just terrorists in mountains.

Though I not at all support any gratification. But out of compulsion trading something that is bad with something that is far worst is not a bad deal.

Mangle with good connections with Baloch tribes, was definitely a better choice than Mr. safaraz Bugti.

 

[M. Sarmad]

if you start supporting Mengal, then that Bugti will be anti-military and pro-BLA.
The thing is, we exploit tribal enmity for our benefit. We never focused on people but on tribal sardars (colonial policy continuation).
The locals only feel safe under their tribe. If they get sick, need education, protection, etc., the govt doesn't help them but their tribes.

Even if you start development today, the locals would see that an extension of occupation (school/building as military garrisons, road as a means to transport military vehicles). It will take time even after development to change that mindset. @M. Sarmad your take?

Agreed..... Since 1947, the state focused on "managing sardars" rather than "integrating citizens"...... The result is that for the Baloch of Balochistan, the tribe/ethnicity became "us" and the state became "them."...

Balochistan's problem is a toxic mix of poverty, lack of education, tribalism, state-society disconnect/weak national integration, the othering of the state, and a deep legitimacy deficit rooted in perceptions of internal colonialism....

The state sees Balochistan through a security lens....The Baloch see the state through a lens of alienation and exclusion.... And you are right about perceptions... If trust is absent, even a school, road, or hospital can be viewed with suspicion...

More importantly, a nation is built on consent, not coercion.... Forcing people to be part of a nation against their will is a mockery of the very idea of nationhood....

You can kill an insurgent.... You cannot kill the question that created him.... Kill the militants, ignore the alienation, and the cycle simply begins anew....

 

[PK781]

Piss poor pathetic, you've launched operation yet the terrorists are still able to get to Quetta, pathetic beyond measure.
How come no precautions were taken to make there is no repeato f ziarat attack. It's PA has forgot to fight insurgency, all that hard earned gains have been washed. **** the chief of diplomatic forces

cds and naqvi are busy proving allegiance to the iranians these days.......they give more time for iran than to manage their own country......

"shah se zyada shah kay wafadar" types...

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The problem is resources. Balochistan is 43% of Pakistan. Terrorists are from local population and they don't announce before attacking.

India uses 7 lakh security forces in IoK which is barely 2% of Balochistan. Pakistan doesn't even have 1 lakh for all of Balochistan.

Which is why I propose drastic increase in security forces budget by decreasing provinces share in NFC. Security first, development will come later.

resources and personnel will always be scarce. they will need to come out of somewhere else.
smart allocation of recouses, adopting modern methods and using the advantages of tehcnology and hardware whenever possible.

using alternative, modern but cheaper methods can reduce the surprises and losses but that remains to be seen. so far we are to only rely on rehtoric. cooperating with iran through combined operations is the best option. I don't buy Iran helping BLA bullshite.. because BLA is supported by forces that are also hostile towards Iran. these elements use the Sunni cap in the shape of Jundullah and use the enthic cap in the shape of Baloch liberation front/ army inside Pakistan. the Iranian and Pakistani tit for tat attacks on Baloch terrorists on both sides were conducted against the groups that were priority.
this is the same issue we had with ISAAF who insisted on taking out Afghan Taliban and so called Haqqani network inside Pakistan whereas we preferred to go after TTP that had delcared war on us. likewise in Afghanistan, the TTP was not the prime target of Americans in the begining and they preferred fighting Afghan Taliban but that changed later on and it was the Americans who took out some major TTP members and even snached some of them from Afghan intelligence and handed over to Pakistan. a similar/ better coordination with Iranians can really hit the BLA very hard and wipe the smug faces of their backers and cheerleaders.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Agreed..... Since 1947, the state focused on "managing sardars" rather than "integrating citizens"...... The result is that for the Baloch of Balochistan, the tribe/ethnicity became "us" and the state became "them."...

Balochistan's problem is a toxic mix of poverty, lack of education, tribalism, state-society disconnect/weak national integration, the othering of the state, and a deep legitimacy deficit rooted in perceptions of internal colonialism....

The state sees Balochistan through a security lens....The Baloch see the state through a lens of alienation and exclusion.... And you are right about perceptions... If trust is absent, even a school, road, or hospital can be viewed with suspicion...

More importantly, a nation is built on consent, not coercion.... Forcing people to be part of a nation against their will is a mockery of the very idea of nationhood....

You can kill an insurgent.... You cannot kill the question that created him.... Kill the militants, ignore the alienation, and the cycle simply begins anew....

respectfully, the tribal nature of Baloch people is such that they live breathe and worship their sardars. it will never work .. they will turn back to them and accept them as their lords. even if their kin are slain and their women violated, they always turn to their tormentors. the news of their tribal fights never surface on national news.. I am talking 40 years ago where they will enage each other with heavy weapons ..
working with the sardars is the way, their mindset cant change in the next 50 or 100 years. they would blow up every school, library, university and bridge and kill every worker and engineer to stay the way they have been for centuries because this gives them the chance to curse Punjab after all. @Goenitz

you might say, wait a moment , you were suggesting "personal visits" to the self exiled sardars in UAE, Switzerland and India etc.. yes I was .. the ones that will replace these surdars will be more amicable for talks. pleading and bribing wont work because we cant match the cash and the whores at the disposal of Emeratis, Indians and Israelis to intice these sardars.

 

[Goenitz]

Agreed..... Since 1947, the state focused on "managing sardars" rather than "integrating citizens"...... The result is that for the Baloch of Balochistan, the tribe/ethnicity became "us" and the state became "them."...

Balochistan's problem is a toxic mix of poverty, lack of education, tribalism, state-society disconnect/weak national integration, the othering of the state, and a deep legitimacy deficit rooted in perceptions of internal colonialism....

The state sees Balochistan through a security lens....The Baloch see the state through a lens of alienation and exclusion.... And you are right about perceptions... If trust is absent, even a school, road, or hospital can be viewed with suspicion...

More importantly, a nation is built on consent, not coercion.... Forcing people to be part of a nation against their will is a mockery of the very idea of nationhood....

You can kill an insurgent.... You cannot kill the question that created him.... Kill the militants, ignore the alienation, and the cycle simply begins anew....

Also, if development were the keystone, as @hussain0216 talks about it all the time, then the entire world would love and praise the US for its aid. British/US Pakistani, after taking all the perks, should be more British/US than Pakistani.

 

[Lulldapull]

I guess we are all embarrassed and ashamed that Afghani are this hateful and conceited and murderous toward Pakistan.

What an absolute disgrace gents.

Hudd ho gaee hae Afghanio key begherti key!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I guess we are all embarrassed and ashamed that Afghani are this hateful and conceited and murderous toward Pakistan.

What an absolute disgrace gents.

Hudd ho gaee hae Afghanio key begherti key!

yes our opposition leader wants all Pakistani pashtons to apply for Afghani nationality because his boyfriends have promised him a warm welcome.