Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Waterboy]

There is a massive focus change which is also why many of you are waiting on "visible" procurement news and frustrated because it is "jero bisibibility"

The MEA conflict is causing another shift focused on scale - and even countries with the latest and greatest are pivoting to how much more effective cheap swarms are even if you lost 90% of them to air defenses.

Your neighbors have been smartly focused on that at VERY VERY high gear while you are too but perhaps not that much.

Think CRPA(which you are considering) but the Indians are looking to get via Russia/Israeli and other sources which will make your past successes in spoofing rather useless so you're forced to expend kinetic elements.
In return you're investing in more last mile systems and leaving the more expensive procurements for fixed wing or higher priced threats.

These are not cheap - but your enemy is scaling both in air and sea based unmanned systems to bypass your A2/AD systems.

Think a typical fishing boat that you will ignore and the Indians have packed with explosives that comes and rams into a submarine you are about to deploy.
So much for Harbah's or Smash.

You're falling behind in certain spaces while ahead in others - but this is where it is slowly going - they are trying their best to find shoot and scoot systems in Arty which you got ahead in and made them show white flags in certain places because their CTR bty systems simply could not react fast enough EVEN WITH UAV surveillance.

So - dont be disheartened if you dont see J=35s or new vipers - the game is moving to where you should be more interested in whether some random factory in Chiniot is in reality churning out 50 suicide munitions per week.

My humble opinion is to localise Air defence especially shorad and medium range. That is more monumental then J 35 atm. Basically build missile base under mountains that can't be penetrated.

 

[RescueRanger]

My humble opinion is to localise Air defence especially shorad and medium range. That is more monumental then J 35 atm. Basically build missile base under mountains that can't be penetrated.

Do not confuse any engagement Iran and US have with an engagement between India and Pakistan.

The US is reluctant to put boots on the ground in Iran due to jero publik shuppot.

India would very much like to capture and hold territory.

Those underground missile bases with fancy cigars become useless once the enemy has taken land and held it.

 

[mythbuster]

Do not confuse any engagement Iran and US have with an engagement between India and Pakistan.

The US is reluctant to put boots on the ground in Iran due to jero publik shuppot.

India would very much like to capture and hold territory.

Those underground missile bases with fancy cigars become useless once the enemy has taken land and held it.

Ain't we going to do some tactical patakhas to hold the Indian advance?

 

[RescueRanger]

Ain't we going to do some tactical patakhas to hold the Indian advance?

The reply was to someone who is enamoured with Mozaic and tunnels, that won't work with an enemy like India who understands our terrain and is more than willing to put boots on the ground.

"Tactical phatakas" to bad ki baat hain.

Let's keep things real. Iran and US conflict isn't a war, it's some mutated nonsense with zero objectives.

India against Pakistan would be a war with clearly defined objectives and goals.

 

[TallGuy]

India against Pakistan would be a war with clearly defined objectives and goals.

How close are we to hostilities at LOC? how is information black out going? how is Pakistani maskirovka working?

that will define ops near term

mind you water issue in not resolved. see what Entity induce the neighbours to a folly?

so many things to look at?

 

[Oscar]

Can we rest assured that if it comes down to it in reality that IF warranted that Pak will eventually NEED to use those nukes if things get into uncontrolled territory and it becomes an existential threat
They will then serve their purpose hopefully

There is no “rest assured” with humans in charge.

 

[Oscar]

My humble opinion is to localise Air defence especially shorad and medium range. That is more monumental then J 35 atm. Basically build missile base under mountains that can't be penetrated.

You have missile bases dispersed across grid lines up and down Pakistan and can expand if needed.

But AD is another issue which requires building redundancies, processes and protections for systems to keep things hidden and mobile.

For a country who until 2005 had one Sa-2 site protecting Islamabad with token Crotale’s - while everything else was Manpad along with a massive heap of Inshallah - it takes time and you’re a long way from those dismal days.

Your neighbor already had layered AD at both airbases and across field formations while your best bet was two guys on a stinger or manning visual AA guns

 

[TheThirdFaculty]

There is a massive focus change which is also why many of you are waiting on "visible" procurement news and frustrated because it is "jero bisibibility"

The MEA conflict is causing another shift focused on scale - and even countries with the latest and greatest are pivoting to how much more effective cheap swarms are even if you lost 90% of them to air defenses.

Your neighbors have been smartly focused on that at VERY VERY high gear while you are too but perhaps not that much.

Think CRPA(which you are considering) but the Indians are looking to get via Russia/Israeli and other sources which will make your past successes in spoofing rather useless so you're forced to expend kinetic elements.
In return you're investing in more last mile systems and leaving the more expensive procurements for fixed wing or higher priced threats.

These are not cheap - but your enemy is scaling both in air and sea based unmanned systems to bypass your A2/AD systems.

Think a typical fishing boat that you will ignore and the Indians have packed with explosives that comes and rams into a submarine you are about to deploy.
So much for Harbah's or Smash.

You're falling behind in certain spaces while ahead in others - but this is where it is slowly going - they are trying their best to find shoot and scoot systems in Arty which you got ahead in and made them show white flags in certain places because their CTR bty systems simply could not react fast enough EVEN WITH UAV surveillance.

So - dont be disheartened if you dont see J=35s or new vipers - the game is moving to where you should be more interested in whether some random factory in Chiniot is in reality churning out 50 suicide munitions per week.

So your suggesting there’s a stalemate / statue quo ?