BREAKING - Turkish Airforce F16 crashes - Pilot Safe

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[Foinikas]

You need to have a reality check.

>This conversation started when you praised low-passes,while other members wisely said it's unnecessary risk and unprofessional.

>You refused to accept it and went on bragging about the TuAF.

>I pointed out how Turkish pilots have a culture of flying recklessly and doing dangerous maneuvers that are strictly unprofessional. I also pointed out how pilots have died on both sides because of this. I presented a video with HAF pilots talking about it during an interception incident.

>You demanded the thread to be left open and you started talking about Greek pilots crashing in the sea

>I showed you that Turkish pilots also crash in the Aegean. I also pointed out that Turkey,like any Air Force,has training losses as well.

>You rushed to ask the thread be closed and insisted only one Turk crashed in the sea.

>I'm showing you information again,you deny it.

At some point you need to come out of this shell of denial. Turks crash,Greeks crash,but the problem is with the Turkish culture of playing Top Gun during dogfights and demonstrations. Such cowboy attitude isn't responsible conduct and often ends with a crashed aircraft and the pilot either dead or retired.

 

[MMM-E]

He is still showing the Turkish F-16 that crashed due to a technical malfunction
( a fuel pump failure ) and Turkish Pilot survived

I didn't mention the 3 other Greek Pilots that fell due to other malfunctions and crashed into the sea .. and all 3 Pilots survived


now , He is showing also an air-to-air missile launch on an unarmed Turkish F-16D during training flight, a completely different event that happened in 1996 .. ( that was not an accident )


and in 2016 , Greek Pilot crashed into the Turkish F-16 with stupid maneuver
Greek Pilot died ,, Turkish Pilot survived

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There have been no incidents where Turkish F-16 pilots made foolish maneuvers and crashed into the sea during dogfight

on the other hand , 3 Greek Pilots crashed into the sea and died while maneuvering during doghfights with the Turkish F-16s


1992 (Lt. Nikolaos Sialmas) : The investigation indicated the crash happened because the Greek pilot was unable to pull out of a steep dive in time

2006 (Flt. Lt. Konstantinos Iliakis): Greek Pilot crashed into the Turkish F-16 and Greek Pilot died .. Turkish Pilot survived

2018 (Flt. Lt. Georgios Baltadoros): A Greek Mirage 2000-5 crashed near Skyros island while returning from an interception mission .. Greek Pilot died

 

[Foinikas]

He is still showing the Turkish F-16 that crashed due to a technical malfunction
( a fuel pump failure ) and Turkish Pilot survived

I didn't mention the 3 other Greek Pilots that fell due to other malfunctions and crashed into the sea .. and all 3 Pilots survived


now , He is showing also an air-to-air missile launch on an unarmed Turkish F-16D during training flight, a completely different event that happened in 1996 .. ( that was not an accident )


and in 2016 , Greek Pilot crashed into the Turkish F-16 with stupid maneuver
Greek Pilot died ,, Turkish Pilot survived

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There have been no incidents where Turkish F-16 pilots made foolish maneuvers and crashed into the sea during dogfight

on the other hand , 3 Greek Pilots crashed into the sea and died while maneuvering during doghfights with the Turkish F-16s


1992 (Lt. Nikolaos Sialmas) : The investigation indicated the crash happened because the Greek pilot was unable to pull out of a steep dive in time

2006 (Flt. Lt. Konstantinos Iliakis): Greek Pilot crashed into the Turkish F-16 and Greek Pilot died .. Turkish Pilot survived

2018 (Flt. Lt. Georgios Baltadoros): A Greek Mirage 2000-5 crashed near Skyros island while returning from an interception mission .. Greek Pilot died

Whose fault is it about Iliakis? Clearly about Iliakis? You mention Baltadoros but deny the incident of the 70s where one of the Turkish F-102 pilots panicked,became disoriented and flew at the opposite direction and as an outcome,when he turned around and rushed towards the Turkish mainland he ran out of fuel and crash-landed. On the sea,on the ground I don't know,but crash-landed. Lived or died I don't know for certain,but ran out of fuel and crashed.

Iliakis was killed because of Turkish pilot's irresponsible and reckless maneuver. That's what killed Iliakis. I even c/ped it in an earlier post,but as always you ignored it.

On this forum and the old one,you've been trying for years to portray the HAF as "inferior" and badly manned. Every single time I bring facts,you put the tape on repeating the same nonsense and when you can't deal with it,you just spam the same posts.

Because you can't handle the truth,the TuAF has lost jets to Cypriot AAA. That the TuAF has lost aircraft in engagements with the HAF,that the TuAF has lost aircraft even by Syrian AAs. That the TuAF wass weakened after Erdogan's purges that followed 2016's coup.

 

[MMM-E]

Exactly, MME doesn't know about safety regulations. Even with the low-pass there is a minimum altitute that you have to maintain. This pilot even went below it and crashed the plane. I think, he will not fly another aircraft in the TuAF.

This Pilot doesnt know about safety regulations.

In the UK, our F-16 pilot flew just meter above the spectators
That pilot continued to fly at TURAF

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I could show hundreds of videos of a Turkish F-16 pilot flying 10 meters .


F-16 Pilot has passed by People flying at an extreme low altitude at a speed of 1200 km/h

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[MMM-E]

Turkish pilots are very confident in themselves; they don't hesitate to perform such dangerous maneuvers and even put their lives at risk

No need do it guys .... we need you and our F-16s
TURAF spends more than $3 million to train a F-16 Pilot

A few days ago , We lost an F-16 for nothing

It's a good thing we didn't lose our well trained F-16 Pilot.

 

[KingQamaR]

You wouldn't understand this. Your RAF hasn't participated in a single dogfight since World War II


Turkish F-16 Pilot was flying at an extreme low altitude ( just 10 m ) to salute the Turkish Air Force Academy students but its external fuel tanks have clipped trees

( I could show you dozens videos of Turkish pilots performing extremely difficult and dangerous maneuvers that would defy your imagination )

These extreme low-altitude flights are something Turkish F-16 Pilots always do and repeat thousands of times a year

Because Greek F-16s are using hundreds of islands in the Aegean Sea as a cover to engage in low-altitude dogfights with Turkish F-16s

Turkish and Greek Pilots are highly aggressive tactical engagements

Successfully ejected. The only successful part of the whole operation apparently. Your pilot was not a top gun more like a top goon. You Nato puppet what actual combat experience are you blabbing on about TAF has got zero ? PAF F16s were successfully engaging and shooting down USSR Migs aggressors in the 80s coming hot from Afghanistan. PAF in recent years has got real combat experience and kills of Rafals, Sukhois, Mirage 2000 etc. Your TAF f16s had his backside handed to them by Greek Mirage jet. Only thing you guys are good at is playing war thunder.

 

[Sinan]

This Pilot doesnt know about safety regulations.

In the UK, our F-16 pilot flew just meter above the spectators
That pilot continued to fly at TURAF

No, Yalın Ahbab explained this.

There was nothing, wrong with the pilots approach. Problem is runway just starts very close the fence. Normally, in the case of an event, English police would cordone that street and wouldn't let civilians inside. But that day, they forgot to close.

 

[Sinan]

Two Turkish F-16s and one reconnaissance F-4 were flying in the international airspace over the southern Aegean at 27,000 feet (8,200 m) without having submitted flight plans to the Greek FIR authorities

I'm sick of Greeks talking about we are right, internatinal laws, international this and that.

However, it's always the exact opposite.

Article 3​

Civil and state aircraft​

a.	This Convention shall be applicable only to civil aircraft, and shall not be applicable to state aircraft.
b.	Aircraft used in military, customs and police services shall be deemed to be state aircraft.
c.	No state aircraft of a contracting State shall fly over the territory of another State or land thereon without authorization by special agreement or otherwise, and in accordance with the terms thereof.
d.	The contracting States undertake, when issuing regulations for their state aircraft, that they will have due regard for the safety of navigation of civil aircraft.

Convention on International Civil Aviation (ICAO Convention) - The Faculty of Law

Read this story on the University of Oslo's website.

www.jus.uio.no

Military Aircraft of country A doesn't need to share flight plans if it's going through Country B's FIR. Simple as that, treaty is there, clauses are there. But Greeks blatantly lie. Your most similar trait with the Israelis.

 

[Foinikas]

Your most similar trait with the Israelis.

Don't be ridiculous. You guys are competing with India for propaganda and uber nationalist boasting.

When you got two countries with such recent history of conflict,you don't expect one side to say "Sure guys,send all your F-16s inside the FIR,no need to tell us where your going,come on in."

 

[Sinan]

Don't be ridiculous. You guys are competing with India for propaganda and uber nationalist boasting.

When you got two countries with such recent history of conflict,you don't expect one side to say "Sure guys,send all your F-16s inside the FIR,no need to tell us where your going,come on in."

We don't expect you to say anything, just like we don't expect anything from Israelis.

Just showing your lying nature to everyone else.

 

[Foinikas]

We don't expect you to say anything, just like we don't expect anything from Israelis.

Just showing your lying nature to everyone else.

Go let Greek F-16s pass from the Straits without flight plans then,smartass.

 

[MMM-E]

Successfully ejected. The only successful part of the whole operation apparently. Your pilot was not a top gun more like a top goon. You Nato puppet what actual combat experience are you blabbing on about TAF has got zero ? PAF F16s were successfully engaging and shooting down USSR Migs aggressors in the 80s coming hot from Afghanistan. PAF in recent years has got real combat experience and kills of Rafals, Sukhois, Mirage 2000 etc. Your TAF f16s had his backside handed to them by Greek Mirage jet. Only thing you guys are good at is playing war thunder.

I am talking about RAF ( Royal Air Force ) and You jumped PAF
Are they all alt accounts with the same IQ level ?

TURAF trained PAF in Turkiye for BVR combat how to fight in NATO standard
and PAF used Turkish Electronic Warfare System against India
and soon PAF gets Turkish ASOJ-23A stand off Jammer Aircraft .. ( except Turkiye nobody can give this technology to Pakistan )

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Since you skipped PAF, let's talk.
First, know your place and don't be disrespectful.

You have no technology. If foreign countries cut off their support, you would revert to the Stone Age

You haven't produced a single significant technology.

even Turkiye is helping Pakistan to develop long range BVR air to Air Missile



btw , Cowardly Greeks only can fire unarmed F-16D during traing flight ..
nothing else

 

[MMM-E]

Military Aircraft of country A doesn't need to share flight plans if it's going through Country B's FIR. Simple as that, treaty is there, clauses are there. But Greeks blatantly lie. Your most similar trait with the Israelis.

I've explained this to him many times, yet he's still lying with his ignorant mindset

FIR is for civil aviation

 

[Foinikas]

Since you skipped PAF, let's talk.
First, know your place and don't be disrespectful.

You have no technology. If foreign countries cut off their support, you would revert to the Stone Age

You have to finally drop this ultranationalist arrogance. This isn't a "Turkish Supremacy" forum.