Turkish Air Defence Programs

[Foinikas]

and no Air Superiority over Iranian airspace, they were still being contested and couldn't fly over without the threat of air defense.

Is that why US and Israeli aircraft was flying over Iran?

 

[hyperman]

Is that why US and Israeli aircraft was flying over Iran?

They are not though, thats the point. They are using standoff strikes. Thats why their missiles are running low. Their hope was to do SEAD/DEAD enough so that they could use aircraft to drop gravity bombs, but that time never came, b/c Iran was able to pose enough of a threat where they couldn't fly without being fired at, so they stayed at standoff range.

 

[Foinikas]

They are not though, thats the point. They are using standoff strikes. Thats why their missiles are running low. Their hope was to do SEAD/DEAD enough so that they could use aircraft to drop gravity bombs, but that time never came, b/c Iran was able to pose enough of a threat where they couldn't fly without being fired at, so they stayed at standoff range.

But they did manage to do it last June.

 

[hyperman]

But they did manage to do it last June.

Do what? Drop graving bombs over uncontested airspace?

 

[Foinikas]

Do what? Drop graving bombs over uncontested airspace?

If you google "did US and Israeli Air Force gain control of Iranian skies",you'll get a surprising answer. Although it then becomes a question of sources.

 

[Pokemonte13]

They are not though, thats the point. They are using standoff strikes. Thats why their missiles are running low. Their hope was to do SEAD/DEAD enough so that they could use aircraft to drop gravity bombs, but that time never came, b/c Iran was able to pose enough of a threat where they couldn't fly without being fired at, so they stayed at standoff range.

that was mostly in the early weeks of the war and some limited strikes afterwards. The iranians have no meaningful ad systems left only manpads and other short range systems. But overall they have secured the airspace hell even the israeli airforce did that in their own operation back in 2025. Also Centcom is known for wasting munitions when it has other options.

 

[hyperman]

If you google "did US and Israeli Air Force gain control of Iranian skies",you'll get a surprising answer. Although it then becomes a question of sources.

I was following this conflict indepth foinikas, I don't need an AI to give half assed answers.

On this element, what does someone mean by "gain control", because these planes were not uncontested. There are various degrees when measuring such things.

Level	Term	What it means
1	Air denial	You cannot control the air, but you can make it difficult/dangerous for the enemy to use it
2	Contested airspace	Both sides can operate, but neither has reliable control
3	Local air superiority	You have the advantage in a particular area/time
4	Air superiority	Your air force can conduct operations with manageable interference from enemy air forces
5	Air supremacy	Enemy air forces are effectively incapable of meaningful interference
—	Air dominance	Often used to describe overwhelming control; in some doctrinal contexts it is essentially equivalent to, or stronger than, superiority/supremacy

It didn't really really reach Level 4 IMO, as the Iranians were able to hit aircraft even the F-35 with IRST based ground SHORADS. Able to prevent A-10s doing CAS, and managed to shoot down various drones.

 

[Foinikas]

I was following this conflict indepth foinikas, I don't need an AI to give half assed answers.

On this element, what does someone mean by "gain control", because these planes were not uncontested. There are various degrees when measuring such things.

Level	Term	What it means
1	Air denial	You cannot control the air, but you can make it difficult/dangerous for the enemy to use it
2	Contested airspace	Both sides can operate, but neither has reliable control
3	Local air superiority	You have the advantage in a particular area/time
4	Air superiority	Your air force can conduct operations with manageable interference from enemy air forces
5	Air supremacy	Enemy air forces are effectively incapable of meaningful interference
—	Air dominance	Often used to describe overwhelming control; in some doctrinal contexts it is essentially equivalent to, or stronger than, superiority/supremacy

It didn't really really reach Level 4 IMO, as the Iranians were able to hit aircraft even the F-35 with IRST based ground SHORADS. Able to prevent A-10s doing CAS, and managed to shoot down various drones.

I wonder what F-22 Raptor would say about this

 

[hyperman]

I wonder what F-22 Raptor would say about this

The raptor is not optimized for an Air to Ground role. Iran didn't use its air force much in aerial battles which would have required the raptor. Mostly an F-35 and F-15 from the USAF and USN F-18 war.