Identifying highest value Indian-Flagged Deep-Sea Cargo Fleet for hit or sink for max economic damage in NEXT WAR

[Yasser76]

Yeah just random social media posts nothing else

Exactly, always comes down to this, global media and sat companies supporting Pakistan's version of events

15 year old biys in their bedrooms posting on X supporting Indias.

Wonder why it is not India the Saudis and Kuwaitis are running to for protection.

Guys are a joke

 

[Master Chief]

They exactly demonstrate that they were out of the fight, either out of choice (surface fleet) or out of compulsion (sub-surface fleet).

Not an achievement, rather shows PN doesn't believe in fighting and wants peace


Area domination, preventing PN's ASW fleet from getting close and so on. And eventually returning the favour if things escalated...

It is quite evident that PN was out of fight, muh threat lmao.

What utter garbage.

Zero evidence for "out of fight" yet here you are yapping away.

Tell me then, Admiral Jellicoe sahib, why did nobody from any of the nearby IN assets choose to actually harm these "stranded" vessels? Why would you just leave them alone in the middle of a war?

Did USN leave IRGC vessels alone after snapping pretty pics of them in dock?

 

[Master Chief]

Exactly, always comes down to this, global media and sat companies supporting Pakistan's version of events

15 year old biys in their bedrooms posting on X supporting Indias.

Wonder why it is not India the Saudis and Kuwaitis are running to for protection.

Guys are a joke

They're an amusing bunch tbf. Taking pictures of docked vessels is a great naval victory saar!

 

[Yasser76]

They're an amusing bunch tbf. Taking pictures of docked vessels is a great naval victory saar!

Different year, same retarded thinking. Comparing 2035 IAF with 2026 PAF. Thinking (nay hoping and praying!) they will suddenly progress rapidly and PAF will standstill,

After 2019 "`no saar, we will have Rafale"

2025 J-10C bitchslapped them

Now it is "no saar, will have Super Sukhoi Mini-AWACS, Raptor of the East" in 2035

God only knows what PAF will have up it's sleeve then. Idiots also obsessed with platforms, completly forgetting it was a networked system of systems that worked together to beat them,, they do not even comprehend how to match that yet, all they can now say os "But again we will have Meteor"

Major Indian strategy issue os they always prepare for the last year, after 2019 PAF knew it had to go one better then just the Erieye/F-16/AIM-120C combo, and it did.

Do not get me wrong, their platform centric obsession in the modern age is a gift that keeps giving for Pakistan.....

 

[SilentWatch]

This is great, I was thinking about this doing as well. Add the financial, economical areas too. Thank you for these. The rocket force needs throw 3 missiles for ones of theirs. They have come to the conclusion that Punjab has to suffer gravely order for India overcome its limitation in South Asia. I don't want any conflict where Pakistan suffers, and India is let off with limited destruction. Crippling their whole civilization in the next conflict should be the end-game as they have already decided to do the same to Pakistan - might I add openly and confidently.

MY FRIEND its office work time where I am -> but I have GPT runs in the side






STAY TUNED

 

[SilentWatch]

at @Musings bhai I am genuinely trying to hold a Trade interdiction missions based analytical discussion for PN's hangar boys to go beyond A2/AD in a way that next conflict will provide us an opportunity for - in my view.

this is modelled on the U-boats impact on mercantile trade in WW2, this is is a millitary forum for pak's defense - I am not trying to sink vikrant always.... do not close this thread please.

NO mud slinging PEOPLE ->

THREAD RULES:
1. STOP SINKING VIKRANT always ( will explain why a running vikrant is good for PN )
2. no LOOK at this shit please -> use keyboards for words - remember your inner keyboard worrier that has a brain


3. please think around the concept of "An additional war risk premium (AWRP)" which is an extra charge paid by a shipowner or charterer to maintain insurance coverage when a vessel enters a high-risk zone designated by the Joint War Committee (JWC).

4. READ the OP on Scenario ladder economic vs insured impact at 1 commercial indian suck, ~5 suck and ~10+ sunk -> OR SIGNIFICANT HIT to invoke the force majure clause.

5. India's entire deep-sea cargo fleet is ~120-150 vessels-> I am looking for better data sets here on ship registry and ship's typical routes -> point me to better data, I am tracking ~25-30 indian commercial vessel hulls only so far with limited coverage.

Note Ideal Pak Defense WAR GOAL scenario is 10 ships sunk i.e. 8.3% to 6.7% of ships in the indian COMMERCIAL fleet not MILLITARY.

the average indian commercial ship hull is expected to be "total loss" in baseline of loosing 1 hull in 40-50 years .

SO WHEN: Global CAPITAL MARKETs price 1 indian ship loss in 40-50 years, THEN: A 10 Hull LOSS IN DAYS not decades - business is cruel by design.

Insurance Rates for recovery of 'Risk Capital Insured and LOST' will at best willl take economic time to recover from over years if not decades on Indian import and exports will be affected.

this means the 'Cost of doing business IN India' inflation goes up. now if pakistan again comes out as a globally more delivering military power vis a vie India and the score is PN 10 - x something where x is obviously expected to be lower in commercial + millitary ship SUNK hulls**.

**(indians can copy paste my homework on indian def forum website (like copying our music) if there is one... Given this is a Pak Defense one. My analysis will assume PN does something this time too when in my view BJP India will Modi or after him Yogi will attack pakistan again inevitably so actively or pre-emptively use the Cacus belli we have via IWT crisis and cut india back to size on their arrogance and money).

POTENCIAL UNLOCK economically is that Economic western outsourcing JOBS CAN SHIFT GLOBAL BOARDERS in "12-18 month tech change corporate transformation plans".

 

[SilentWatch]

at @Musings bhai I am genuinely trying to hold a Trade interdiction missions based analytical discussion for PN's hangar boys to go beyond A2/AD in a way that next conflict will provide us an opportunity for - in my view.

this is modelled on the U-boats impact on mercantile trade in WW2, this is is a millitary forum for pak's defense - I am not trying to sink vikrant always.... do not close this thread please.

NO mud slinging PEOPLE ->

THREAD RULES:
1. STOP SINKING VIKRANT always ( will explain why a running vikrant is good for PN )**
2. no LOOK at this shit please -> use keyboards for words - remember your inner keyboard worrier that has a brain

** by a "running vikrant"
For indians: the engine works and vikrant can move and fly around in untowed conditions.

For pakistanis: running around the war theatre and "look busy do nothing" indian mentality

 

[SilentWatch]

at @Musings bhai I am genuinely trying to hold a Trade interdiction missions based analytical discussion for PN's hangar boys to go beyond A2/AD in a way that next conflict will provide us an opportunity for - in my view.

this is modelled on the U-boats impact on mercantile trade in WW2, this is is a millitary forum for pak's defense - I am not trying to sink vikrant always.... do not close this thread please.

NO mud slinging PEOPLE ->

THREAD RULES:
1. STOP SINKING VIKRANT always ( will explain why a running vikrant is good for PN )
2. no LOOK at this shit please -> use keyboards for words - remember your inner keyboard worrier that has a brain


3. please think around the concept of "An additional war risk premium (AWRP)" which is an extra charge paid by a shipowner or charterer to maintain insurance coverage when a vessel enters a high-risk zone designated by the Joint War Committee (JWC).

4. READ the OP on Scenario ladder economic vs insured impact at 1 commercial indian suck, ~5 suck and ~10+ sunk -> OR SIGNIFICANT HIT to invoke the force majure clause.

5. India's entire deep-sea cargo fleet is ~120-150 vessels-> I am looking for better data sets here on ship registry and ship's typical routes -> point me to better data, I am tracking ~25-30 indian commercial vessel hulls only so far with limited coverage.

Note Ideal Pak Defense WAR GOAL scenario is 10 ships sunk i.e. 8.3% to 6.7% of ships in the indian COMMERCIAL fleet not MILLITARY.

the average indian commercial ship hull is expected to be "total loss" in baseline of loosing 1 hull in 40-50 years .

SO WHEN: Global CAPITAL MARKETs price 1 indian ship loss in 40-50 years, THEN: A 10 Hull LOSS IN DAYS not decades - business is cruel by design.

Insurance Rates for recovery of 'Risk Capital Insured and LOST' will at best willl take economic time to recover from over years if not decades on Indian import and exports will be affected.

this means the 'Cost of doing business IN India' inflation goes up. now if pakistan again comes out as a globally more delivering military power vis a vie India and the score is PN 10 - x something where x is obviously expected to be lower in commercial + millitary ship SUNK hulls**.

**(indians can copy paste my homework on indian def forum website (like copying our music) if there is one... Given this is a Pak Defense one. My analysis will assume PN does something this time too when in my view BJP India will Modi or after him Yogi will attack pakistan again inevitably so actively or pre-emptively use the Cacus belli we have via IWT crisis and cut india back to size on their arrogance and money).

POTENCIAL UNLOCK economically is that Economic western outsourcing JOBS CAN SHIFT GLOBAL BOARDERS in "12-18 month tech change corporate transformation plans".

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