Mecca Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

Iran and India are buddies and yet Pakistanis have a fetish for Iran. Its hilarious and more proof this Mecca Pact is nonsense. :ROFLMAO:
Saudi Arabia is also very close to India too.

What a waste of time this all is.

Question, do you think Saudi and Turkish officials are dumb that they could not figure this out?
 
nato and europe financially are getting wrecked, and with americans leaving the nato guardianship, it will collapse, thanks to the war against the russians. Most european govts already sniffed and got a whiff of zionist plans to destroy eu/uk via the russians...theyre rightly worried (but cant say it out loud).

i would not depend on nato too much, going into the future, once the americans pull out, its done.

As for Turkiye, it will be in its "natural alliance" with brotherly muslim countries of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
It had been a long time since zionists had been held responsible for a war or a crisis... Without the zionists alibi you would be lost, isn't it?
(I just add that I'm an atheist).
 

This should be a reality check on the extent of Saudi financial underwriting that can be expected. Pakistan had to pay 7.75% and 8.25% market interest rates to repay the 3 billion Saudi loan that had replaced the money UAE had demanded back earlier in the year.

Sure, Saudi Arabia will pay for specific security services, but one should not expect a carte blanche or general financial support unrelated to the al Saud's own security.
 
It had been a long time since zionists had been held responsible for a war or a crisis... Without the zionists alibi you would be lost, isn't it?
(I just add that I'm an atheist).
Only an Indian would say “isnt it”. Bonplan you must we are that naive to think we believe you are French. Ffs give it a rest isnt it?
 
India betrayed Iran and wouldn't even offer a word of disproval when Iran was bombed. Furthermore India stopped buying all Iranian oil and abandoned its key strategic port of chabahar.

Some Pakistanis i have seen have been super pro Iran but I have seen many also super pro arab. I am not pakistani so I don't know if its a religious or ethnic thing but that doesn't have anything to do with this new pact.

I think Iranians should not forget that Indian PM Modi was in Israeli Parliament holding hands with Israelis and saying India is fully and completely standing with Israel. It was just a day before Israelis killed Supreme leader and started war by bombing Iran. India also supplied small arms and munitions to Israel during its war with Iran's "proxies".

KSA is not "very close" to india when it comes to strategic alignment. India has a lot of trade with China too. It does not mean China and india are strategically aligned. Infact they are opposite of each other.

Some Pakistanis who have literally "fetish" for Iran are a minority. They don't represent the nation as a whole. I think Pakistanis as a whole overall support Iran in this war. But the ones who prefers Iran over KSA and even their own country or have a "fetish" as you worded it are a very small minority. On the other hand, Pakistanis have deep religious, economic & military linkages with KSA as well.
It's not about a fetish but perception on who is taking a better path



I presume Pakistan would not bat out for Iran like this if they did not have an understanding on India


Remember that the Iranian diplomatic presence in the USA IS RUN VIA PAKISTAN DIPLOMATIC MISSION

India simply lives in gaps of discord.





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India seeks gaps of discord




Multi alignment + non alignment = multi non alignment





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Multi alignment + non alignment = multi non alignment
 
It's not about a fetish but perception on who is taking a better path



I presume Pakistan would not bat out for Iran like this if they did not have an understanding on India


Remember that the Iranian diplomatic presence in the USA IS RUN VIA PAKISTAN DIPLOMATIC MISSION

India simply lives in gaps of discord.





Repeat




India seeks gaps of discord




Multi alignment + non alignment = multi non alignment





Repeat


Multi alignment + non alignment = multi non alignment

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@Master Chief
 
One of the most important—and perhaps least discussed—aspects of Pakistan’s emerging defence partnerships is their potential to gradually reverse the country’s long-standing international image as the “troublemaker” of South Asia.

For much of the post-Cold War period, Pakistan was increasingly portrayed in international diplomatic circles as the “nasty kid on the block”—a state viewed as politically volatile, security-driven, and capable of triggering crises that could destabilize the wider region. This perception intensified after the Kargil conflict in 1999 and reached its peak following the 2008 Mumbai attacks. At that point, Pakistan found itself facing considerable diplomatic isolation. While a few strategic partners, most notably China and Turkey, remained relatively consistent, much of the broader international community adopted a more cautious and increasingly critical posture toward Islamabad. Pakistan was subjected to heightened diplomatic scrutiny, and its international room for manoeuvre narrowed considerably.

This isolation carried an important strategic cost that went beyond diplomatic discomfort. Countries are generally reluctant to enter into NATO-style mutual defence arrangements—or even deep security partnerships—with states perceived as unpredictable, unstable, or prone to confrontation. A country can possess significant military capabilities and strategic importance, but if its partners believe that closer alignment could unnecessarily expose them to regional conflict, the incentives for formal security commitments remain limited.

The strategic environment began to evolve after Narendra Modi came to power in India. New Delhi increasingly pursued a more assertive foreign and security policy, seeking to leverage Pakistan’s diplomatic isolation and frame Islamabad as the principal source of instability in South Asia. Yet the repeated use of this strategy produced an unintended consequence: over time, international actors began to distinguish between Pakistan’s historical reputation and the changing strategic realities of the region.

The gradual shift is important. Pakistan’s diplomatic narrative is no longer solely defined by its relationship with India, terrorism-related concerns, or its history of military crises. Its geopolitical importance—as a nuclear-armed state, a major Muslim country, a strategically located state linking South Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East, and a country with longstanding defence relationships with China and Turkey—is increasingly being reassessed through the lens of strategic utility and reliability.

This is where the emerging Saudi-Pakistan and Saudi-Pakistan-Turkey defence arrangements become particularly significant. Their importance goes beyond the military provisions contained in the agreements themselves. At a deeper level, such partnerships represent a form of international validation: major regional powers are demonstrating that they are willing to place significant elements of their own security architecture in partnership with Pakistan.

That is a profound change from the Pakistan of the post-Mumbai period.

A country perceived internationally as a perpetual source of instability is unlikely to become the preferred partner for formalized collective-security arrangements. Conversely, when countries such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey are willing to deepen defence commitments with Pakistan, it signals that Islamabad is increasingly being viewed not merely as a potential source of regional instability, but as a provider of strategic security and a reliable partner in managing it.

A potential defence pact with China would take this transformation to an entirely different level. Pakistan and China already share an exceptionally deep strategic relationship spanning defence, infrastructure, technology and economic cooperation. A formalized mutual-defence or strategic-security arrangement would institutionalize a relationship that has, for decades, been one of Pakistan’s most important strategic anchors. For Pakistan, the benefits could be substantial: stronger extended deterrence, deeper intelligence and military cooperation, greater access to advanced defence technologies, enhanced defence-industrial collaboration, and potentially more secure supply chains for critical military platforms and systems. It could also provide Islamabad with greater strategic confidence by reducing uncertainty over the extent of Chinese support during a major regional crisis. Most importantly, a formal Chinese commitment would send a powerful signal to the international community that Pakistan is not simply a country receiving security assistance, but a state whose security has become sufficiently important to a major global power that Beijing is prepared to institutionalize its strategic commitment.

The implications for India and South Asia, however, would be profound. A formal China-Pakistan defence arrangement could alter India’s strategic calculus by creating the possibility of a much more institutionalized two-front security challenge along its western and northern borders. New Delhi would have to account for deeper Chinese-Pakistani coordination in intelligence, logistics, air and missile defence, military technology, space, cyber capabilities and maritime security. This could accelerate India’s military modernization and further strengthen its strategic alignment with the United States and other Indo-Pacific partners, potentially linking the traditional India-Pakistan rivalry more directly to the broader US-China strategic competition. At the same time, a credible Chinese security commitment to Pakistan could strengthen deterrence by dramatically increasing the potential costs of military escalation for all sides. The outcome, therefore, could be paradoxical: greater deterrence at the strategic level but greater polarization and arms competition at the regional level. Much would depend on the nature of the pact. A NATO-style automatic mutual-defence guarantee would carry vastly greater implications than a framework focused on strategic consultation, intelligence sharing, defence technology and coordinated military planning.

The significance, therefore, is not simply that Pakistan is acquiring new defence partners. It is that the underlying international perception of Pakistan may itself be changing. The country is gradually moving from being treated as a problem to be managed to being treated as a partner whose military capabilities, geographic position and strategic relationships can contribute to a broader regional security architecture.

In that sense, the emerging defence partnerships may represent the beginning of a reversal of Pakistan’s “nasty kid of South Asia” image. The transformation is unlikely to happen overnight, and Pakistan still faces substantial diplomatic, economic and security challenges. But the direction of travel matters. If Islamabad can sustain strategic restraint, institutional reliability and constructive diplomacy, these partnerships could help establish a fundamentally different international perception of Pakistan: not the unpredictable state that others fear might trigger the next regional crisis, but a strategically important and increasingly reliable partner whose cooperation is actively sought by major regional powers.

The ultimate strategic victory for Pakistan, therefore, may not be the signing of any single defence pact. It would be the gradual normalization of Pakistan as a reliable security partner—a country whose military weight, geographic position and strategic relationships are seen as assets to be incorporated into the regional order rather than risks that the international community must contain.
Brilliant post


And much of this really thanks to Indian mental software gaps


For the last 20 years they were belle of the ball.

Rather than lock down a real strategic vision they became frightened of their own shadow and pursued multi non alignment, which is equivalent to multi alignment


They had one constant - Pakistan Pakistan must isolate

Now India withered middle aged and the world has moved on


The energy of disappointment to India is in good part converted into reversing the strategic altruism

The world sees the Pakistani obsession as over indulgence and illogical



Then operation Cindy happened
 

The Alliance is Not Against India, But it Fortifies Pakistan's Defence Capabilities ||PRAVIN SAWHNEY​


 
@Waz @Musings
Could one of you please update the title of the thread from "Mecca ..." to "Makkah ...".

I don't know why Muslims of all people keep writing Mecca which is used for gambling casinos for the Holy City of Makkah.

Totally insulting.
 

Col. Jacques Baud: Saudi Arabia, Turkey & Pakistan, Just Signed a Pact That Changes EVERYTHING​



Bro - I've listened to this video.

It seems like a great clickbait thumbnail (3 Flags) until you watch the whole conversation.

Nothing really relates to the actual topic of "Pact changes everything"

Too many general discussions that are off-topic like US/Iran situations, SCO, Europe, blah blah.
 

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