Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[r3alist]

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

How do they occupy Najd? Please explain with "older" history.

Who mentioned najd?

Ones from najd became custodians.

 

[r3alist]

Who mentioned najd?

Ones from najd became custodians.

What is the peninsula if it's not najd?

 

[gamaji]

Gamaji... on something?
You want to trigger me by calling Iranians terrorists... you don't need my consent, do you?

Saudis started it...
This conflict is older than both me and you... going back to the British colonial days. Saudis occupy the same lands Brits did... fighting the same war they initiated to occupy as much of peninsula as possible... where they now occupy and rule Yemeni lands.

Anyhow, you'd not be interested in that...

...Iranians terrorists? Yes. Big way. Look what the IRGC terrorists did in Syria. They didn't spare even babies and children. No difference between Zionist war criminals and IRGC murderers.

Don't forget terrorist Indian Naval Commander Kalbhosha either. The IRGC goons actively support Baloch terrorists, especially BLF. Don't behave like a bacha rather than a bazurg..

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

...Iranians terrorists? Yes. Big way. Look what the IRGC terrorists did in Syria. They didn't spare even babies and children. No difference between Zionist war criminals and IRGC murderers.

Don't forget terrorist Indian Naval Commander Kalbhosha either. The IRGC goons actively support Baloch terrorists, especially BLF. Don't behave like a bacha rather than a bazurg..

If you're going through a bout of selective amnesia than don't assume me game as well...

What house of Saud has done in Yemen as only comparable to what zion has done in Palestine. Their involvement in funding groups in Syria is also known... just do a rudimentary search... certain jaishes will pop right up...

But again you're not interested... and I could care less...

 

[gamaji]

If you're going through a bout of selective amnesia than don't assume me game as well...

What house of Saud has done in Yemen as only comparable to what zion has done in Palestine. Their involvement in funding groups in Syria is also known... just do a rudimentary search... certain jaishes will pop right up...

But again you're not interested... and I could care less...

Please tell us what Saudi's have done in Yemen other than killing Houthis and IRGC terrorists?
In any case, what Saudis have done in Yemen does not allaviate the grave nature of terrorism that IRG terrorists and their puppet goons of Hezbollah, alZaniboon, and AlFatimeyoons, etc. did in Syria. In fact, what these filthy goons did in there, the word terrorism is way too light for those crimes.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Please tell us what Saudi's have done in Yemen other than killing Houthis and IRGC terrorists?

Gamaji, don't put cart before the horse...
Who started the conflict?
Did IRGC start the conflict in Yemen?
Who did the regime change in Yemen?
It was a US/Saudi operation from the beginning... don't paint new colors...
you can be sectarian... pro or against Shi'i or takfiri
doesn't concern me either way!!!

So, let me reiterate.... this is a dormant conflict perpetrated by House of Saud since the colonial times. Brits ruled South Yemen, largely identical borders to what Saudis control now... and Saudis were fighting from the North taking over large Yemeni territory that Saudis occupy to this day.

https://hornreview.org/2026/09/21/yemen-between-britain-and-saudi-arabia/

In any case, what Saudis have done in Yemen does not allaviate the grave nature of terrorism that IRG terrorists and their puppet goons of Hezbollah, alZaniboon, and AlFatimeyoons, etc. did in Syria.

Again, let each pay the price... don't include me in your sectarian feud!
As I mentioned above... both Saudis and Iranians were backing factions... Iranians from the pro government faction and Saudis through anti Assad factions.
I never supported Assad ... my years of posting on the forum bare witness to that... AND I never supported either Iran or Saudis. I did however want a unified Syria on its feet outside of foreign meddling... though we have an alternative in Syria... and I'm fine as long as he doesn't play his part in fragmentation of that land for the benefit of zion.

In fact, what these filthy goons did in there, the word terrorism is way too light for those crimes.

Don't just assume figures... around half a million have died since Saudis launched the coup against Saleh. And a little over that number were casualties in Syria since the start of color revolution over there... though Yemeni figures are much harder to come by... and primary mercenaries have been Africans and South Americans... while in Syria multiple militaries...
Including, US, Turkiye, Russia, Iran and Zion participated... and further many more backed multiple factions including Saudis... on top of ethnic enclaves such as Turkmens and Kurds as well as religious ones such as Druze and Alawites.

 

[gamaji]

Gamaji, don't put cart before the horse...
Who started the conflict?
Did IRGC start the conflict in Yemen?
Who did the regime change in Yemen?
It was a US/Saudi operation from the beginning... don't paint new colors...
you can be sectarian... pro or against Shi'i or takfiri
doesn't concern me either way!!!

So, let me reiterate.... this is a dormant conflict perpetrated by House of Saud since the colonial times. Brits ruled South Yemen, largely identical borders to what Saudis control now... and Saudis were fighting from the North taking over large Yemeni territory that Saudis occupy to this day.

https://hornreview.org/2026/09/21/yemen-between-britain-and-saudi-arabia/

Again, let each pay the price... don't include me in your sectarian feud!
As I mentioned above... both Saudis and Iranians were backing factions... Iranians from the pro government faction and Saudis through anti Assad factions.
I never supported Assad ... my years of posting on the forum bare witness to that... AND I never supported either Iran or Saudis. I did however want a unified Syria on its feet outside of foreign meddling... though we have an alternative in Syria... and I'm fine as long as he doesn't play his part in fragmentation of that land for the benefit of zion.



Don't just assume figures... around half a million have died since Saudis launched the coup against Saleh. And a little over that number were casualties in Syria since the start of color revolution over there... though Yemeni figures are much harder to come by... and primary mercenaries have been Africans and South Americans... while in Syria multiple militaries...
Including, US, Turkiye, Russia, Iran and Zion participated... and further many more backed multiple factions including Saudis... on top of ethnic enclaves such as Turkmens and Kurds as well as religious ones such as Druze and Alawites.

Don't try to hide behind silly wording. You first challenged me for calling IRGC goons terrorists. Then you tried to justify the IRGC terrorism by questioning what Saudis did in Yemen. Now you are wondering who started conflict in Yemen.

Bhai, regardless of who started that conflict between the two neighboring countries, Iranian mullahs had no business of fueling terrorism in Yemen. In fact, Irani mullahs spread their filth in all regional countries, including Pakistan, by exporting their 'revolution' everywhere. These fools wanted to create a 'Shia Crescent' in the region starting from Afghanistan to Palestine. The region is continuously enduring the death and destruction because of evil policies of Iranian mullahs and their partnership with enemies of Allah and His Messenger (PBUH).

You may have resentment against Saudis (and I am fine with that) but you cannot try to justify the IRGC terrorism in many other countries.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I only see the first paragraph somewhat relevant - and vying for ethnic lines does not mean empires did not exist on ethnic lines which are hollow semantics and whataboutism I see no value here.

Be as it may... ethnic rule was superseded by faith...
Turks after all maintained, a Caliphate... something they went to great pains to establish as a legitimate one... finding the late relation of the former Abbasids to abdicate and all...

Any how...

So on the first paragraph -

If you look at the timeline - the Cairo conference did not lead to any outcome simply because no majority actually wanted a caliphate then especially not the Egyptian king who created the conference with that purpose in mind.
You can come with all sorts of conspiracy theories but it could also be plain want for independence of control and leadership - and maybe not wanting King fuad as the caliphate. IT was nothing to do with the return of the Khilafah as much as a power play by one rule.

What Saud did was to try and legitimize his conquest of Hijaz and less about Caliphate but it was to rival Fuad's claim to control of Hijaz. That was it.

Pretty broad brush you use to paint ones playing game of thrones... in that Makkah conference was much said between lines... unless you were always interested in the politics of the backstabbing.
That for a the house of Saud who not only were fighting Turks, aligned with be Brits but also pulled the rug from under the Hashemites who had assumed the throne as theirs.
This for a kingdom that dwells under the doctrine of Vali al-Amr
... a whole madkhali school exists to support their reign legitimate and provides blanket coverage... even as they're now going full on rogue to their earlier promise of introducing purity... to now full on filth....
MBS champions secularism... and came out as the most modern of the lot ... that star only faded after what he did the Khasoqji!

That being said... if you had brought up the politcs of the two conferences, you chose to overlook the role Brits played to legitimize Makkah conference and failure of the one in Cairo. Intentionally or unintentionally...

If you're not interested than there is no need to bring it up either...
There was a whole Khilafat Movement going on in India and British had to intervene in every way to abolish it...
Not because the PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT IT!

There is no evidence for the rest of accusations of having Brits as Ahl-al-Kitab

The Ikhwan were against collusion with non Muslims and Ibn Saud needed the framing...

or so on since the brits were also supporting hashmis who were also rivals for control of the area. You can allege the British were doing their usual divide and rule but the rest of "backstabbing" Turks is frustrated emotion - you can have at it - but it is still weighed against the idea that Turks were ruling Arabian lands and they had their own tense relations with the locals on that.

Brits are not on trial here... they had their own goose to cook and some were being useful... any Kurd clan that manages to carve a niche against Turks, Iran, Iraq or Syria can claim the same down the line... if you support the same now then that claim of any dissident playing Machiavelli would stand legitimate across the time and board. The word backstabbing in that context is meaningless to discuss.

For that matter - someone can also apply that same rule on why Muslim soldiers were part of East India company against the Mughals.

Why not?
While some were fighting for higher cause, others were giving life for a paycheck.

As for the backstabbing on this alliance - there is no backstabbing as it is typical Arab impatience on delivery for signatures without reading the fine print. The Saudis are frustrated that western consultants in lieu with their own screwed them on the Line, Neom and so on with misleading figures.

That is nothing new... they have been spending as nouveau riche for sometime now...

In this case the figures weren't even misleading as such and the Turks and Pakistanis have laid out their timelines for the Saudis on what can be achieved with their own constraints - which has not been enough for the Saudi leadership so they
are going back to the Americans because in their mind "at least the Americans deliver".

That is it. Now whether MBS is in cahoots with Israel or not and so on is all conjecture and derived from an ignorance of statecraft vs family politics.

It is also odd for me in general why Pakistanis find statecraft so hard to grasp especially when they themselves are ok to try and have family members killed over 500sq ft of land but then also be offended when those same family members dont consider their sons for the daughter's hand in marriage.

Proof will be in the pudding... conjecture or not... Saudis will pick the thread most convenient to them.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Don't try to hide behind silly wording. You first challenged me for calling IRGC goons terrorists. Then you tried to justify the IRGC terrorism by questioning what Saudis did in Yemen. Now you are wondering who started conflict in Yemen.

Wondering? Missing on facts or facts matter at all?
It has been Saudis from the get go... and that isn't anything new...

We are not rewriting history here Gamaji!
Let's repeat after me three times
IRGC TERRORISTS, IRGC TERRORISTS, IRGC TERRORISTS...
drink some cold water and get some sleep...
getting way too emotional.

Bhai, regardless of who started that conflict between the two neighboring countries, Iranian mullahs had no business of fueling terrorism in Yemen.

Again?
Elaborate...
Houghis rule 75 percent of Yemeni population, under Saudi blockade... if they keep suffering, you'd stay silent and wouldn't quote me, right?

In fact, Irani mullahs spread their filth in all regional countries, including Pakistan, by exporting their 'revolution' everywhere. These fools wanted to create a 'Shia Crescent' in the region starting from Afghanistan to Palestine. The region is continuously enduring the death and destruction because of evil policies of Iranian mullahs and their partnership with enemies of Allah and His Messenger (PBUH).

Bring numbers... back up your statements...
Yemenis have been fighting Saudis before the 1979 revolution in Iran... they're Zaydi, not Twelver nor do they have Vilayat Faqih.

You may have resentment against Saudis (and I am fine with that) but you cannot try to justify the IRGC terrorism in many other countries.

Let's do the repetition again
IRGC TERRORISTS, IRGC TERRORISTS, IRGC TERRORISTS...
...
Have some cold cup of water with that.

 

[Hussain]

Where can we read more about former iraqi chiefs words

@gamaji This video?

 

[030292]

For this Defence pact to work as intended, first the so called leaders of these 3 countries have to get out of trump's b*llsack.

 

[Oublious]

For this Defence pact to work as intended, first the so called leaders of these 3 countries have to get out of trump's b*llsack.

Why don't change your flag to persians and emigrate to ther, better leave that country what you hate more. Nobody is holding you back...

 

[gamaji]

Wondering? Missing on facts or facts matter at all?
It has been Saudis from the get go... and that isn't anything new...

We are not rewriting history here Gamaji!
Let's repeat after me three times
IRGC TERRORISTS, IRGC TERRORISTS, IRGC TERRORISTS...
drink some cold water and get some sleep...
getting way too emotional.


Again?
Elaborate...
Houghis rule 75 percent of Yemeni population, under Saudi blockade... if they keep suffering, you'd stay silent and wouldn't quote me, right?


Bring numbers... back up your statements...
Yemenis have been fighting Saudis before the 1979 revolution in Iran... they're Zaydi, not Twelver nor do they have Vilayat Faqih.



Let's do the repetition again
IRGC TERRORISTS, IRGC TERRORISTS, IRGC TERRORISTS...
...
Have some cold cup of water with that.

BTH, I don't really know what your are trying to discus here. My only point was that Iranian mullahs have no right to interfere in Yemen (and any other country for that matter) to create state within a state.

These evil mullahs have caused so much death and destruction. The IRGC terrorists and their poodle proxies have killed millions of innocent Muslims inside and out of Iran. All that must be stopped. The first step to achieve that goal is to dismantle all those Iranian proxies and then to dismantle the real source of all that filth, the IRGC terrorist group, in Iran.

I already know Yemeni Zaydis are not Twelver nor do they have Vilayat Faqih thingy. But still Iranians fueled the Yemeni infighting as part of their effort to create a Shia Crescent through terrorism.

Please stop jumping like a monkey. Stay focused if you can.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

BTH, I don't really know what your are trying to discus here. My only point was that Iranian mullahs have no right to interfere in Yemen (and any other country for that matter) to create state within a state.

These evil mullahs have caused so much death and destruction. The IRGC terrorists and their poodle proxies have killed millions of innocent Muslims inside and out of Iran. All that must be stopped. The first step to achieve that goal is to dismantle all those Iranian proxies and then to dismantle the real source of all that filth, the IRGC terrorist group, in Iran.

I already know Yemeni Zaydis are not Twelver nor do they have Vilayat Faqih thingy. But still Iranians fueled the Yemeni infighting as part of their effort to create a Shia Crescent through terrorism.

Sanaa government is the state. They rule over 80% of the population. We reject US standards about who is a state and who is not.