The origin of Han China was Vietnamese?

[ety]

First
In the Song Dynasty, Vietnam did not have a unified local government at all. The Song Dynasty did not consider Vietnam to be the same as Korea, Dali and other foreign countries. In the Song Dynasty, Vietnam was the "fan town" of the Tang Dynasty. Continuation is a country that must be unified; what about Vietnam?

That is to say, the Northern Song Dynasty recognized the fact that the Ding family ruled Vietnam, but did not consider Vietnam to be a country, but an "autonomous land" within the Song Dynasty.

https://inf.news/en/history/b9d2f29bc3a52145ca9fc4671e5317ba.html

Second, wrong, Vietnamese are ignored because your loser Chinese were too humilated by the existence of Vietnam while Koreans faithfully serve you like loyal little pet
For the Ming, like their imperial predecessors, the pattern of the world
called for a singular emperor who possessed the mandate of Heaven and
ruled tianxia, All-under-Heaven. This was his exclusive right. There
could not be two suns in the sky. Ming China’s other close vassal state,
Choson Korea, conceded to this view. When a Chinese official asked
Ch’oe Pu, a Korean official who visited China in the 1480s, “Is the King
of your country called Emperor?, Ch’oe Pu replied, “In Heaven there
are not two suns; how under the same Heaven can there be two
Emperors? My King’s one purpose is to serve your country devotedly.
Unlike their Korean counterparts, Vietnamese did use the term emperor
in their writings.

Dai Viet was a country with a similar cultural background and political
infrastructure, yet Ming officials preferred to see it as a distant, barbarian
land. Otherwise, it became a discomforting mirror image of China a
country with a parallel emperor, issuing Great Pronouncements and pre
siding over civil service examinations based on the classics. If Dai Viet was
not an integral part of the Chinese empire, it was better for it to be a
categorically different state. It could not be accepted as a mirror state.


What's grandiose about Chinese Forbidden City? It's just a larger complex because China had more wealth and larger beauracracy to accomodate, 'grandiose' ROFL, please get over yourself

EVERY single ruler of Vietnam lived in the Forbidden City starting from Ly all the way to Nguyen even after they moved the capital to Hue the imperial palace is still named Forbidden City, why none of Chinese dynasties ever have Forbidden City until Ming? LOL, so delusional quoting nonsensical BS, it's called Purple Forbidden City because purple is the colour of Jade Emperor's palace ruler of heaven and the Forbidden City is where the Son of Heaven lives on Earth so it's called purple. Vietnamese rulers believed they were Tianzi so that's why it's called Tu Cam Thanh/Zijincheng

These terms were commonly used in Vietnamese Han texts. In the TT, the Viet emperor is called di (帝) and the Ming emperor Ming di (明帝). For an example of Le Loi using the imperial I (tram朕) and claiming the Mandate of Heaven (thien-menh天命),

Lol, your Vietnamese kings ascension to throne had to be approved by Chinese Ming emperors, that speaks a lot. When you ask a typical Chinese, no one cares about little Vietnam history that is nothing but irritant, don't flatter yourself, don't BS your Vietnam was equal to China in history. The Ming dynasty beat the shit of your Vietnam.
Lol, Jade emperor is the highest Chinese god in Taoism, you people steal that from China too. You people don't have ancient astronomy, period. Chinese palace grandiose or not is not for you to judge, but for all the visitors who saw it, and many of them have such impression, numb, so you think Vietnamese palace is grandiose and beautiful eh, LMAO.

 

[chuethnic]

ahahah, you are claiming based on your own intepretation. All Chinese know we descended from the North. You claim Chu is your ancestor, maybe who knows, they might have migrated south and mingled with you folks, but still doesn't deny the fact that Chu state people's descendant are Chinese looking.

Even the baiyue claim, we never denied Yue people's existence, but just because some Yue migrated and mingled with Vietnamese's ancestor which are the Chams, you have no right to claim Yue state. It is like Brazilians claiming Portuguese/Spanish are not the real owners of the iberian peninsula just because some Iberians mingled with the natives in Brazil. And all of a sudden Brazillians claim all European culture came from Brazil. LOL.

Chinese copying Viets? Do you even know how many types of architecture styles we have? Can you differentiate Northern Architecture to Lingnan to Hui to Kejia to Chaozhou to Fujian? China is a continent size country, heck we are not just a country, we are a civilization. We have Xiang, Yue, Jing, Chuan, Lu, cuisine, this is just cuisine. And you expect a small province sized country like yours to create our civilization state? Wake up and stop humiliating yourself.

Chu state's land was invaded by your Chinese just like Canada is invaded by your Chinese doesn't mean you can claim Canada's history belongs to you because you live there, Vietnamese are the LAST direct descendants of Chu so of course Vietnamese claim the legacy of Chu where South Americans cannot claim Iberia because Iberians still exist today and because South Americans are completely different race LOL
而贵州、湖南以及东北地区，则有10%到24%的人携带有O1b1
而中国湖南地区携带O1b1基因的人，则在几千年内不断和别的基因融合，造成了现在主要以O3基因单倍群占据主导地位的情况
You copy the hand bridge, are you saying it's untrue?

Fire arms were invented in the Song dynasty, just because some Viets made good firearms, now they claim all firearms came from Vietnam. Ming also imported some Portueguse/Turkish/Japanese guns, and then mass produced it in China. this is typical mentality of countries with no civilization. They are not confident of their own culture and have to end up claiming the culture of others.

Vietnamese history with projectiles and firearms is in their blood

弩-More likely, 弩 (OC *naːʔ) and Proto-Tibeto-Burman *s-na were Sinitic and Tibeto-Burman renditions of a Mainland Southeast Asian Wanderwort (Ratliff, 2010), possibly of Austroasiatic origin (Norman and Mei, 1976; Benedict, 1990; Schuessler, 2007)

• Proto-Mon-Khmer *snaʔ, whence Vietnamese ná, Khmer ស្នា (snaa);

The Jiaozhi arquebus was not only appreciated by the Chinese, but also highly praised especially by Western observers for its high accuracy from what they saw in the Lê-Mạc and Trịnh-Nguyễn wars. The Ming dynasty also rated Đại Việt arquebus as "the best gun in the world", even surpassing the Ottoman gun, the Japanese gun and the European gun. According to Li Bozhong, former head of the Department of History at Qinghua University:[7]

At the end of the Ming Dynasty, the Annam people developed a matchlock gun with an excellent performance, which the Chinese called "Jiao Chong" (交銃, meaning Jiaozhi gun). Some people think that this kind of gun is superior to the Western and Japanese "Niao Chong" (鳥銃, Bird gun) and "Lu Mi Chong" (魯密銃, Rûm arquebus) in terms of power and performance.

 

[chuethnic]

Lol, Jade emperor is the highest Chinese god in Taoism, you people steal that from China too. You people don't have ancient astronomy, period. Chinese palace grandiose or not is not for you to judge, but for all the visitors who saw it, and many of them have such impression, numb, so you think Vietnamese palace is grandiose and beautiful eh, LMAO.

Taoism was born in Chu so yes, it is also Vietnamese and why don't you answer why your Chinese never had Forbidden City until Ming dynasty?

 

[ety]

Taoism was born in Chu so yes, it is also Vietnamese and why don't you answer why your Chinese never had Forbidden City until Ming dynasty?

Don't keep making fool of yourself, your culture originated in China, not the other way around. Taoism was created by Laozi, he was from Henan, central China, he served as a Zhou court official. Besides you Vietnamese now have nothing to do with Chu state, stop nonsense.

紫禁城名字的由来, 为什么人们又叫它“故宫”?​

2017-11-06 05:15:04　来源: 民国大文艺 举报

故宫,是明清两朝的皇宫,当时又称“紫禁城”。皇宫为什么称为“紫禁城”?这要从宫殿建筑与古代天文学的特殊关系上来解释。 古代中国,是一个天文学非常发达的国家,早在战国时代的甘德和石申在《甘石星经》中,就记录了比较系统的天文星座名称。而且从那时起,人们就用帝王、宫殿、城市、官吏等人间社会的事物,来比附天上、命名星座。

像人间帝王居四方正中一样,在古人思想中,天上的天皇大帝也居住在天空中央。古人将天空中央分为太微、紫微、天市三垣。三坦中,太微为上垣,紫微为中垣,天市为下垣。紫微垣为中天的中心,是天帝居住的地方,共十五颗星。这在西汉司马迁《史记》中已经记载。与天文相表里,人间皇帝为大帝之子,“天子”居住的皇宫便是“紫微宫”,汉代人就称皇宫为“紫宫”,又因为皇宫为常人不得出入的禁地,故有时又称“禁城”“禁中”。《晋书》更指出:“紫微,大帝之座,天子之常居也。”

汉代董仲舒鼓吹“天人感应”,宫殿中发生的事情常常联系到天文上《后汉书》中有一个故事说,光武帝与严光论道归故,有一夜二人共榻同眠。严光睡梦中不知,将脚搭在了皇帝身上,第二天太史立即报告说,发现“客星犯御座”,即有客星侵入紫微垣天皇大帝的星座。

唐代宫殿也是模仿紫微垣,并将紫微坦的“紫”字,与禁城、禁中的“禁”字连用,称为“紫禁”。如初唐骆宾王诗中有:“紫禁终难叫,朱门不易排。”中唐韩栩诗中有:“先朝亲与会龙华,紫禁鸣钟白日斜。”晚唐白居易诗中有:“朝从紫禁归,喜出青门去。”

明代建设北京紫禁城,继承了汉唐的传统。当时把率天殿即今太和殿)作为与紫微垣中天皇大帝星座对应的建置。紫禁城内后寝部分作为帝王之常居,更要模仿天帝常居的紫微垣。内庭中央为乾清宫、坤宁宫、交泰殿三座宫殿,应三垣之数,连同东西六宫,共为十五宫,正合紫微垣两藩十五星之数。

紫禁城是当时人对当时皇宫的称谓。当一个朝代灭亡,另个朝代建立,人们便称前朝的宫殿为“故宫”,如元代灭亡后,明代人萧洵写了一本记录元大都宫殿的书,名为《故宫遗录》,现存北京故宫始建于明朝永乐年间,明朝灭亡后,清朝皇帝继续沿用,成为明清两朝的紫禁城。明清两朝的24代皇帝在这里居住,实行对全国的最高统治,前后达491年。

现在,故宫作为我国现存最大、最完整的古代宫殿建筑群,成为我们中华民族珍贵的历史文化遗产,人们也常常骄傲地以“紫禁城”来称呼它。

紫禁城名字的由来, 为什么人们又叫它“故宫”?

紫禁城名字的由来, 为什么人们又叫它“故宫”?,

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[ety]

Chu state's land was invaded by your Chinese just like Canada is invaded by your Chinese doesn't mean you can claim Canada's history belongs to you because you live there, Vietnamese are the LAST direct descendants of Chu so of course Vietnamese claim the legacy of Chu where South Americans cannot claim Iberia because Iberians still exist today and because South Americans are completely different race LOL
而贵州、湖南以及东北地区，则有10%到24%的人携带有O1b1
而中国湖南地区携带O1b1基因的人，则在几千年内不断和别的基因融合，造成了现在主要以O3基因单倍群占据主导地位的情况

Stop putting up your nonsense logic. People now living in the ancient Chu state are the descendants of the Chu people then mixed with other Chinese came to the region there, these people as all Chinese are the real owners of the land there as all other Chinese lands. You Vietnamese have no right whatsoever to claim the ancient Chu kingdom as yours now, there is no international law says you Vietnamese can claim Chinese lands, period, you greedy Vietnamese know your place.

 

[chuethnic]

Don't keep making fool of yourself, your culture originated in China, not the other way around. Taoism was created by Laozi, he was from Henan, central China, he served as a Zhou court official. Besides you Vietnamese now have nothing to do with Chu state, stop nonsense.

The origin of the name of the Forbidden City, and why do people call it the "Forbidden City"?​

2017-11-06 05:15:04 Source: Republic of China Literature and Art Report

The Forbidden City was the imperial palace of the Ming and Qing dynasties, and was also known as the "Forbidden City" at that time. Why is the imperial palace called the "Forbidden City"? This should be explained from the special relationship between palace architecture and ancient astronomy. Ancient China was a country with very developed astronomy. As early as the Warring States Period, Gan De and Shi Shen recorded relatively systematic names of astronomical constellations in the "Gan Shi Star Book". And since then, people have used emperors, palaces, cities, officials and other things in human society to compare them to the sky and name constellations.

Just as the emperor on earth lives in the center of the four directions, in the minds of ancient people, the Emperor in heaven also lives in the center of the sky. The ancients divided the center of the sky into three walls: Taiwei, Ziwei and Tianshi. Among the three tanks, Taiwei is the upper wall, Ziwei is the middle wall, and Tianshi is the lower wall. Ziweiyuan is the center of Zhongtian, where the Emperor of Heaven lives, with a total of fifteen stars. This has been recorded in Sima Qian's "Historical Records" of the Western Han Dynasty. Similar to astronomy, the human emperor is the son of the great emperor, and the palace where the "Emperor" lives is the "Purple Palace". People in the Han Dynasty called the palace "Purple Palace", and because the palace is a forbidden area where ordinary people are not allowed to enter, it is sometimes called "Ziwei Palace". It is called "Forbidden City" and "Forbidden City". "Book of Jin" further points out: "Ziwei is the seat of the great emperor and the permanent residence of the emperor."

Dong Zhongshu in the Han Dynasty advocated "reception between heaven and man", and what happened in the palace was often linked to astronomy. There is a story in "Book of the Later Han" that Emperor Guangwu and Yan Guang returned home after discussing Taoism, and one night the two slept together. Unknowingly, Yan Guang put his feet on the emperor's body while he was sleeping. The Taishi immediately reported the next day that "a guest star invaded the throne", that is, a guest star invaded the constellation of Emperor Ziweiyuan.

The palaces of the Tang Dynasty also imitated Ziweiyuan, and used the word "zi" in Ziweitan together with the word "jin" in "forbidden city" and "forbidden" to call it "Purple Forbidden". For example, in the poem of King Luo Bin of the early Tang Dynasty: "It is difficult to call the Forbidden City, and it is difficult to arrange the gates." In the poem of Han Xu in the mid-Tang Dynasty, there is: "I went to the imperial court to meet Longhua, and the bell of the Forbidden City rang in the daytime." In the poem of Bai Juyi in the late Tang Dynasty, there is: "Chao Returning from the Forbidden City, I am happy to leave Qingmen."

明代建设北京紫禁城,继承了汉唐的传统。当时把率天殿即今太和殿)作为与紫微垣中天皇大帝星座对应的建置。紫禁城内后寝部分作为帝王之常居,更要模仿天帝常居的紫微垣。内庭中央为乾清宫、坤宁宫、交泰殿三座宫殿,应三垣之数,连同东西六宫,共为十五宫,正合紫微垣两藩十五星之数。

The Forbidden City was the name people used to call the imperial palace at that time. When one dynasty falls and another dynasty is established, people call the palace of the previous dynasty the "Forbidden City". For example, after the fall of the Yuan Dynasty, Xiao Xun of the Ming Dynasty wrote a book recording the palaces of the Yuan Dynasty, called "Relics of the Forbidden City" , the existing Forbidden City in Beijing was built during the Yongle period of the Ming Dynasty. After the demise of the Ming Dynasty, the emperors of the Qing Dynasty continued to use it and became the Forbidden City in the Ming and Qing dynasties. Twenty-four emperors from the Ming and Qing dynasties lived here and exercised supreme rule over the country for 491 years.

Now, as the largest and most complete ancient palace complex in my country, the Forbidden City has become a precious historical and cultural heritage of our Chinese nation. People often proudly call it the "Forbidden City".

紫禁城名字的由来, 为什么人们又叫它“故宫”?

紫禁城名字的由来, 为什么人们又叫它“故宫”?,

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Taoism was promoted in Chu not anywhere else and Laozi didn't even exist ROFL, typical of your Chinese stealing and lying all the time
According to some modern scholars, however, Laozi is entirely legendary; there was never a historical Laozi.

Let me repeat to you that your ancestors DETESTED Chu just like modern Chinese detested Vietnamese but now you turn around and want to claim Chu was Chinese not Vietnamese?
Chu is the last to submit when there is a True Monarch, and the first to rebel when there is none. They are barbarians (yidi) and immensely hate the Central States. When southern savages and northern barbarians established ties, the Central States were like a thread due to be cut.

Delusional
紫禁城是当时人对当时皇宫的称谓。当一个朝代灭亡,另个朝代建立,人们便称前朝的宫殿为“故宫”

 

[chuethnic]

Stop putting up your nonsense logic. People now living in the ancient Chu state are the descendants of the Chu people then mixed with other Chinese came to the region there, these people as all Chinese are the real owners of the land there as all other Chinese lands. You Vietnamese have no right whatsoever to claim the ancient Chu kingdom as yours now, there is no international law says you Vietnamese can claim Chinese lands, period, you greedy Vietnamese know your place.

No they aren't, are Americans living in USA the descendants of natives? Are Cantonese living in South China the descendants of Baiyue? ROFL
Those Chu have assimilated into the Chinese bloodline not continued Chu bloodline.
Chu people spoke Austroasiatic language not Sinitic, they hated your ancestors and your ancestors hated them, Chu is the ancestors of Vietnamese, just get over it

 

[ety]

Taoism was promoted in Chu not anywhere else and Laozi didn't even exist ROFL, typical of your Chinese stealing and lying all the time
According to some modern scholars, however, Laozi is entirely legendary; there was never a historical Laozi.

Let me repeat to you that your ancestors DETESTED Chu just like modern Chinese detested Vietnamese but now you turn around and want to claim Chu was Chinese not Vietnamese?
Chu is the last to submit when there is a True Monarch, and the first to rebel when there is none. They are barbarians (yidi) and immensely hate the Central States. When southern savages and northern barbarians established ties, the Central States were like a thread due to be cut.
If Chu has a king, he will submit later; if there is no king, he will rebel first. The barbarians and Di people were in urgent need of treatment in China, and the southern barbarians and the northern barbarians were in contact with each other. China is inseparable

Stop the nonsense, keep dragging Chu to you Vietnamese. Chu might be less civilized, but it was still a Chinese state. You Vietnamese have no right to meddle in ancient Chinese affairs. So if Laozi is questioned by some doubters as always in other cases too, he wrote the 道德经, and most people believe he existed. So Taoism was developed later by many people from all of China, but not you Vietnamese, you Vietnamese had nothing to do with the creation and development of Taoism, Chinese brought the religion to you people. You Vietnamese keep lying to make up all your fantasy history, that's why you people are not trustworthy to Chinese.

 

[ety]

No they aren't, are Americans living in USA the descendants of natives? Are Cantonese living in South China the descendants of Baiyue? ROFL
Those Chu have assimilated into the Chinese bloodline not continued Chu bloodline.
Chu people spoke Austroasiatic language not Sinitic, they hated your ancestors and your ancestors hated them, Chu is the ancestors of Vietnamese, just get over it

You Vietnamese are Austroasiatic and Chu people were/are not then and now. You Vietnamese have nothing to do with Chu people, just out of your pure greedy you want to claim Chinese lands, Lol. You people might just better jump to South China sea and claim the sea is yours.

 

[chuethnic]

Stop the nonsense, keep dragging Chu to you Vietnamese. Chu might be less civilized, but it was still a Chinese state. You Vietnamese have no right to meddle in ancient Chinese affairs. So if Laozi is questioned by some doubters as always in other cases too, he wrote the 道德经, and most people believe he existed. So Taoism was developed later by many people from all of China, but not you Vietnamese, you Vietnamese had nothing to do with the creation and development of Taoism, Chinese brought the religion to you people. You Vietnamese keep lying to make up all your fantasy history, that's why you people are not trustworthy to Chinese.

Get this clear, you didn't and you NEVER bring anything to Vietnamese, Chu people were Vietnamese ancestors and they migrated to Vietnam from Chu. And just fyi, I think Taoism is a pathetic philosphy so if Taoism was not from Chuit's a good thing. Taoism is the reason all your Chinese got bullied in the West and your parents teach you to do nothing and let the bully keep bullying you LOL

 

[chuethnic]

You Vietnamese are Austroasiatic and Chu people were/are not then and now. You Vietnamese have nothing to do with Chu people, just out of your pure greedy you want to claim Chinese lands, Lol. You people might just better jump to South China sea and claim the sea is yours.

The word for Chu is literally AA
The word Jing was AA
The word for child in Chu was AA
The word for know in Chu was AA
The word Xiong was AA

 

[ety]

Get this clear, you didn't and you NEVER bring anything to Vietnamese, Chu people were Vietnamese ancestors and they migrated to Vietnam from Chu. And just fyi, I think Taoism is a pathetic philosphy so if Taoism was not from Chuit's a good thing. Taoism is the reason all your Chinese got bullied in the West and your parents teach you to do nothing and let the bully keep bullying you LOL

Shut you, don't meddle in Chinese religion and affairs, go be yourselves that are barbarians.

 

[Han Patriot]

Chu state's land was invaded by your Chinese just like Canada is invaded by your Chinese doesn't mean you can claim Canada's history belongs to you because you live there, Vietnamese are the LAST direct descendants of Chu so of course Vietnamese claim the legacy of Chu where South Americans cannot claim Iberia because Iberians still exist today and because South Americans are completely different race LOL
而贵州、湖南以及东北地区，则有10%到24%的人携带有O1b1
而中国湖南地区携带O1b1基因的人，则在几千年内不断和别的基因融合，造成了现在主要以O3基因单倍群占据主导地位的情况
You copy the hand bridge, are you saying it's untrue?


Vietnamese history with projectiles and firearms is in their blood

弩-More likely, 弩 (OC *naːʔ) and Proto-Tibeto-Burman *s-na were Sinitic and Tibeto-Burman renditions of a Mainland Southeast Asian Wanderwort (Ratliff, 2010), possibly of Austroasiatic origin (Norman and Mei, 1976; Benedict, 1990; Schuessler, 2007)

• Proto-Mon-Khmer *snaʔ, whence Vietnamese ná, Khmer ស្នា (snaa);

The Jiaozhi arquebus was not only appreciated by the Chinese, but also highly praised especially by Western observers for its high accuracy from what they saw in the Lê-Mạc and Trịnh-Nguyễn wars. The Ming dynasty also rated Đại Việt arquebus as "the best gun in the world", even surpassing the Ottoman gun, the Japanese gun and the European gun. According to Li Bozhong, former head of the Department of History at Qinghua University:[7]

At the end of the Ming Dynasty, the Annam people developed a matchlock gun with an excellent performance, which the Chinese called "Jiao Chong" (交銃, meaning Jiaozhi gun). Some people think that this kind of gun is superior to the Western and Japanese "Niao Chong" (鳥銃, Bird gun) and "Lu Mi Chong" (魯密銃, Rûm arquebus) in terms of power and performance.

Hey I told ya, you can claim whoever was your daddy, but your daddies family aint adopting you okay. I also told you , Ming were very open with experimenting, we had multiple firearms and weapons from various countries and which ever were good, we adopted it, still doesn't deny that hand gonnes/ hand cannons were first invented by us and later refined by the Europeans into arquebus. Even our infamous 3 eyed gun was copied by Vietnam, so?

 

[Han Patriot]

Guys, let's just ignore him. He is repeating the same lies over and over again.

 

[Hendarto]

Yup complete BS Here is an interesting find recently China found a new grave from the Chu state in the warring period. If you look at the artifact. It is indistinguishable from other artifacts from other Chinese states in that period

Chu's legacy continues to live to this day. the phoenix(Chu totem) in Dragon and the phoenix symbolizes unity in Chinese philosophy

The black and red lacquerware is another, popular in Japan. Chu is known for artistic, daring individualism, all traits in southern China today.

Chu has nothing to do with Vietnam or Vietnamese. The ruling class was from the central plain as legend has it. They were descendants of the Yellow Emperor and were prosecuted and forced to leave their homeland in the Shang state

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