Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder Bags Another Fighter Deal, Media Says; India’s LCA Tejas Banks On Massive IAF Contract

[Guru Dutt]

Prove it

Radar Cross Section too big

I found that it seems like the radar cross section of the JF17 is too big. I can always find the JF17 first before I can find the SU27 or F16 or any other planes at the same distance and the same altitude. Please take a look into this if you have time, thanks.

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i hope this helps a bit

 

[kaku]

Pointless, you fail to understand the basics. Two aircrafts have to be compared overall.
With your logic, JF-17C is more capable than F-16 block 52s and SU-30s or anything in subcontinent other than J-10Cs & Rafales because of its more modern electronics & AESA radars.

F-16 is an overall package. Its perfect in performance especially in its combat modes, Tejas simply can't do it. Its phsyics. The kind of power available to F-16 w.r.t to its body size is enormous. Its a small aircraft with so powerful engine. That's practically no match for Tejas. Tejas a very old design (1950s replica of delta wing) with very mediocre power engine. The kind of base energy available to F-16s AMRAAMs and sidewinders gives it much more lethality. Again if you want to point out on AESA than ofcourse with same logic JF-17C also outclass F-16s and SU-30s. But AESA & related equiment isn't everything. BTW! Block 52s electronic warfare & its radar are no joke, APG-68 is a 300 km scan range radar with SAR capability. For a low powered aircraft like Tejas, its not just inferior combat flight performance but also inferior performance of electronic equipment due to lack of enough power.

If you assuming Block 52 is superior than MK1A, then good luck to you. You have no idea about Mk1A's capabilities.

 

[Awwad]

F16 V has an air-cooled AESA too and it would eat that Samosa I mean Tejas for lunch.

Entire IAF pissed in their pants from older F-16s. F-16 block 52s & JF-17Cs are a nightmare for IAF. That's the sole reason India kept their fragile Tejas far away from LOC in 2019. It was highest indian air alert, they knew PAF will retaliate. They placed their trusted mig-21s & SU-30s in forward bases. India has more trust on mig-21 than on Tejas. Tejas is actually not a fighter jet. Its basically a LIFT platform. It lacks combat capability.

 

[Guru Dutt]

Show's the lack of brains ( as usual ) of IAF pilots, next time don't go after things you can't handle and you won't be shot down and later beaten to a pulp by the crowd

so was he shot down by a catapult or some thuderbolt .. wiseguy ... dont make a fool of yourself have some pity on yourself

 

[Musings]

Stop the abuse of each other and stick to the topic

 

[SteppeWolff]

so was he shot down by a catapult or some thuderbolt .. wiseguy ... dont make a fool of yourself have some pity on yourself

Never said he wasn't shot down by an F16. At the end of the day, IAF was humiliated, that's all you as an Indian should know. Now go ans cope.

 

[SteppeWolff]

Entire IAF pissed in their pants from older F-16s. F-16 block 52s & JF-17Cs are a nightmare for IAF. That's the sole reason India kept their fragile Tejas far away from LOC in 2019. It was highest indian air alert, they knew PAF will retaliate. They placed their trusted mig-21s & SU-30s in forward bases. India has more trust on mig-21 than on Tejas. Tejas is actually not a fighter jet. Its basically a LIFT platform. It lacks combat capability.

These Indians are bragging about Tejas for more than a decade and even now it hasn't been fully inducted and was repeatedly rejected even by the incompetent IAF.
Big chip on their shoulder, these Indians.

 

[Awwad]

If you assuming Block 52 is superior than MK1A, then good luck to you. You have no idea about Mk1A's capabilities.

LMAO!!!... I laughed so hard at desperation over stupid indians trying to prove their fragile, 1950s designed aircraft to be any worthy of attention and that in Pakistani forum. Just compare the engine power & combat flight performance of two. Both are actually not comparable. Tejas is like a jet trainer that's all.

bro why you are ridiculing yourself for something as degraded and as outdated as Tejas? There isn't any aircraft in any airforce that has more outdated design than Tejas. I can send photos of all 1950s aircrafts, it is replica design.

 

[SteppeWolff]

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You are quoting DCS as your source for Jeff's RCS? Don't make a fool out of yourself

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

guess what we are already upgrading Su30 MKI with Indian GaN based AESA radar and self protection jammers and EW suits and even intigrated most western avionics and weapons like ASRAAM , MICA Twins in a russian platform that was never ever done and even tweaked its engine to squezee out more power and still making it a bit more relaible

Several components in the Russian AL-31FP engine of the Su-30MKI have been replaced with Indian equivalents, including the Russian turbine blades, which have been substituted with turbine blades made by the Midhani Group in India.

 

[kaku]

LMAO!!!... I laughed so hard at desperation over stupid indians trying to prove their fragile, 1950s designed aircraft to be any worthy of attention and that in Pakistani forum. Just compare the engine power & combat flight performance of two. Both are actually not comparable. Tejas is like a jet trainer that's all.

bro why you are ridiculing yourself for something as degraded and as outdated as Tejas? There isn't any aircraft in any airforce that has more outdated design than Tejas. I can send photos of all 1950s aircrafts, it is replica design.

Its waste of time at this point, why dont you compare the capabilties point wise, and prove things once and for all. Why wasting time of others.

But I am quite sure you wont able to, those who are so obsessed with spec sheet by just googling and think wow superior range, stronk radar, while dont even realize it is not even a LPI radar or with NCTR capabilities.

 

[Guru Dutt]

You are quoting DCS as your source for Jeff's RCS? Don't make a fool out of yourself

well here they are compairing a 17th gen supa dupa JF17 BLK III which one pakistani meber said was better than F16 after USA rejected PAF plan to give 8 BLK52 for free to pakistan ...so now dont be shy

 

[Awwad]

These Indians are bragging about Tejas for more than a decade and even now it hasn't been fully inducted and was repeatedly rejected even by the incompetent IAF.
Big chip on their shoulder, these Indians.

They are trying to prove that Tejas is any worthy of attention. hahaha.. I mean a LIFT aircraft and that too of 1950s design. A mix achaar of all components of the world, destined to be failed. absolutely absent from any combat scenario, despite given the chance to prove its mettle.

IAF's own people has shown that they had no confidence on Tejas. Infact there were reports that why Tejas in included in airforce so late, because IAF was still not satisfied with it. Imagine, IAF had much more confidence on mig-21 over Tejas that's the reason they were not inducting it and when time came, Tejas was absent from action

 

[SteppeWolff]

A mix achaar of all components of the world

That's the irony lmfao, they use this argument with JF17 forgetting it's a mutual cooperation between two countries not a freakin hodgepodge of components sourced from all over the world and integrated at HAL

 

[Musings]

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