HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

[Bhojpuranchali]

Dude,

India is not a military state.

Every military expenditure has to be justified to CAG and the parliament , otherwise the opposition will not let the government work.

In the aftermath of Feb 2019
India ordered some 400 R77 ER missiles which is an improved version of this missile , these will replace the older R77 Missiles which were inducted in 2006

We also ordered 350 Astra mk1 Missiles for IAF and Navy

The reason we did not order more was , because by the time this order gets completed , Astra MK2 will be ready with its 160 km range.

This missile is the same size as Astra MK1 but offers far greater range and no escape zone

Also note that Astra MK1 has been tested to shoot down a target at 87 km, so Astra MK2 could have a kill range of 100km+

Once the UTTAM Radar is installed on Tejas, the true potential will be unleashed. This integration opens the door for Tejas to be equipped with Meteor missiles, which was previously hindered by MBDA's refusal to share source code with Israel for integration with the current ELTA2052 Radar. With Meteor integration, Tejas becomes significantly more appealing for export opportunities.

 

[MirageBlue]

More Work Needed for ASTRA Integration

So Right Now DERBY is the BVRAAM for TEJAS

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It's simply a reliability analysis. There is no extra work required for Astra integration with the Tejas Mk1. You're misunderstanding the purpose of this study.

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

It's simply a reliability analysis. There is no extra work required for Astra integration with the Tejas Mk1. You're misunderstanding the purpose of this study.

Right Now , Astra Mk 1 is Not Fully Operational on Tejas Mk 1 or Mk1 A

It is only Operational on SU 30

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

Once the UTTAM Radar is installed on Tejas, the true potential will be unleashed. This integration opens the door for Tejas to be equipped with Meteor missiles, which was previously hindered by MBDA's refusal to share source code with Israel for integration with the current ELTA2052 Radar. With Meteor integration, Tejas becomes significantly more appealing for export opportunities.

France will Agree to It Only after getting a Bigger Deal for More RAFALES

Astra Mk 2 and Mk 3 become available within 5 years

 

[MirageBlue]

Right Now , Astra Mk 1 is Not Fully Operational on Tejas Mk 1 or Mk1 A

It is only Operational on SU 30

When the first operational Tejas Mk1 squadron moves to Nal AFS, they'll be equipped with Astra Mk1.

 

[DDG-80]

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/india/mod-asks-hal-to-deliver-18-tejas-mark-1a-jets-by-next-year-621598

 

[vkdindian]

This wouldn’t be the first time that MoD has asked something from HAL and it wouldn’t be the last that HAL has failed to deliver on its promise.
Waiting for that unimaginable day when HAL would deliver a project before time.

 

[DDG-80]

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[kaku]

This wouldn’t be the first time that MoD has asked something from HAL and it wouldn’t be the last that HAL has failed to deliver on its promise.
Waiting for that unimaginable day when HAL would deliver a project before time.

I dont know why we jump to extremities, even the contractors like Boeing faced delays.

The first two operational F-15EXs will deliver eight months later than expected due to problems with Boeing in-sourcing forward fuselage production, as the U.S. Air Force is planning new upgrades to the nascent fleet.

F-15EX Forward Fuselage Issues Delay Deliveries, New Upgrades Planned | Aviation Week Network

The first two operational F-15EXs will deliver eight months later than expected due to problems with Boeing in-sourcing forward fuselage production.

aviationweek.com

We need to relax a little bit.

 

[kaku]

And how many Astra we order less than 300, can't even equip each fighter with 1 Astra, so spare me the mental gymnastics of proving why IAF isn't incompetent

when Did Astra complete it's Developmental trials 2017.
When Did IAF wakeup and order the missile, *drum rolls* 2022 and that too in such small numbers
Tell me again who's fault is this, 5 years it took IAF 5 years to do user trials and eventually order the missile. This is nothing but gross incompetence on IAF's part

Why you think it is that easy to equip missiles with fighters? Have you checked the Astra during trials used Indian MC or Ruski MC (which most of MKI are equipped with)?

How many fighters are equipped with Indian MC? When was MKI's MC was certified and cleared for upgrade? For Tejas Mk1A, last test on LSP-7 was guided test using ELM-2052 as FCR or just weapon release test?
Blaming everything on IAF without knowing the details is illogical argument.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

Everyone, please keep providing updates on the specifications of the Tejas MK1A. So far,

1. the combat range for the Tejas is over 740 kilometers, compared to the F-16's 550 kilometers.
2. The total range for the Tejas exceeds 3000 kilometers, while it is 2027 kilometers for the F-16.
3. Both aircraft have 9 hardpoints.

The only advantage the F-16 has over the Tejas is its payload carrying capacity; the F-16 can carry 7.7 tons, while the Tejas can carry 4 tons. However, considering the size of both fighter jets, the Tejas is superior to the F-16 even in this aspect.

 

[kaku]

Everyone, please keep providing updates on the specifications of the Tejas MK1A. So far,

1. the combat range for the Tejas is over 740 kilometers, compared to the F-16's 550 kilometers.
2. The total range for the Tejas exceeds 3000 kilometers, while it is 2027 kilometers for the F-16.
3. Both aircraft have 9 hardpoints.

The only advantage the F-16 has over the Tejas is its payload carrying capacity; the F-16 can carry 7.7 tons, while the Tejas can carry 4 tons. However, considering the size of both fighter jets, the Tejas is superior to the F-16 even in this aspect.

Incorrect, Block 70/72's databus and especially EW suite is far more superior than MK1A.

Furthur, I wont go into comparing combat endurance.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

Incorrect, Block 70/72's databus and especially EW suite is far more superior than MK1A.

Furthur, I wont go into comparing combat endurance.

How? Explain

 

[kaku]

How? Explain

Copy pasting from my previous replies

Databus :- The databus used by F-16 Block 70/72 is 1553, but for integrating with radar Lockheed have used ethernet based databus for providing high resolution SAR images to Center Pedestal Display.


As we know Mk1A use 1553 databus for all connections. While LCA Mk2 will use ethernet based databus for all data tranmissions, including Radar, IRST,LDP, HMDS, and even SDR for D/L.

For EW suite, Block 70 use Viper Shield, where it is deeply integrated with active modes of SABR, in which active modes of jammer able to work with active modes of radar. The capability is similer to EPAWSS.

The testing included continuously exposing Viper Shield with APG-83 energy for more than 12 hours to test whether the radar pulses would interfere with EW functionality. The test proved Viper Shield’s ability to filter out signal processing streams from the APG-83 radar pulses without any performance compromise.

Viper Shield EW Suite Soars Through Integration Test with F-16 Advanced Radar

Full compatibility with APG 83-AESA Radar means stronger protection for the aircraft — and better situational awareness for the customer.

www.l3harris.com

While in Tejas Mk1A, Jammer and RWR is only integrated with passive modes of radars.



Viper Shield is almost generation ahead than EW suite of Tejas Mk1A, we achieve it might be in LCA Mk2, but not right now.

 

[Justin TruDont]

Everyone, please keep providing updates on the specifications of the Tejas MK1A. So far,

1. the combat range for the Tejas is over 740 kilometers, compared to the F-16's 550 kilometers.
2. The total range for the Tejas exceeds 3000 kilometers, while it is 2027 kilometers for the F-16.
3. Both aircraft have 9 hardpoints.

The only advantage the F-16 has over the Tejas is its payload carrying capacity; the F-16 can carry 7.7 tons, while the Tejas can carry 4 tons. However, considering the size of both fighter jets, the Tejas is superior to the F-16 even in this aspect.

I believe Tejas mk1a has 7 hard points only, with 2 of them being wet

As far as payload is concerned
Some reports point to a improved payload capacity of 5300 kg in MK1A
mainly due to weight reduction on account of greater use of composite material