Pakistan Army Orders 200 More SH-15 Self-Propelled Howitzer Units !
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Admiral General Aladin
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I wanted to say that if Pakistan had a democratic govt in 2001,they still had to join with american led wot.there were no alternative then.Eh? We had a democratic govt
When???
ziaulislam
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Probably, should, would,but, if ...blah blah
What we know is that Imran Khan said no to bombing and was removed
What we know Fatima jinnah said no to giving rivers, yes to federation, Fatima jinnah removed
What we know Jinnah said to move on kashmir general gracey refused and Jinnah, removed
So it's ironic hearing but if etc..i would say it smore
Admiral General Aladin
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lol.your imran khan is not some messiah.he is in jail and his team is lobbying in Washington to get release.he also wants to be in good books of Washington.but alas!!american are refuse to do anything.
Hussain
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Given, the risk of NBC warfare, something like the Archer would have been more appropriate, but........
:-(
Mountain warfare 101 is required and Im not the expert, PK is.
Pack howitzers are taken apart in pieces, transported on mules(or through helis) and then deployed on peaks or forward positions where there is no route for wheels.
The major issue for vehicles in mountains is everything stops when the lone winding road is blocked, be it enemy fire or land slide or bridge taken out. Then its helis or mules.
Below is Leepa valley - look at that terrain. would deploying SP guns here be a good idea for fire and maneuver ? shoot and scoot ?
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Can you suggest modern weaponry ?
farooqbhai
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I think you did not get what i was trying to say.
For the sake of this discussion lets break down our Mountainous Terrain Artillery requirement into 3 major areas>
A. Dense Jungle + Mountainous terrain (LOC/Kargil Side) with little to no road network:
>Supports the use of artillery pieces that are either air lifted in or small enough to be carried by mules i.e 105 to 122mm for us given out helo limitations.
B. Mountainous terrain (LOC/AFG) with presence of a small and largely broken road network:
>Supports the use of 4x4 SPH or smaller arty pieces like 105 that can be towed by smaller trucks/hilux.
C. Mountainous terrain (LOC) with presence of a extensive and well spread road network:
>Support the use of 6x6/8x8 trucks with large arty pieces towed.
So as you can see the different requirements are there, PA just needs to pick what it suits best, In my opinion for current peace time ops & LOC skirmishes only the options B & C are valid in LOC/AFG areas where there is no need for units to disassemble artillery pieces.
While as far Leepa valley is concerned there is a light road network is there too in some places only 500m away from the LOC line.
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farooqbhai
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SLC2 deployed during a Counter Battery Fire op along Afg border from couple of weeks ago when TB and PA were doing artillery duels that led to massive losses on TB side.
Screenshot from a video on FB (PS.ed to hide terrain)
@Panzerkiel
Panzerkiel
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There were a number of heavy engagements, one sided of course, using heaviest calibers available.
Hussain
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Why are Afghans so dumb?
what about the terrain and roads when you advance into enemy territory ? would that be feasible for SP Arty ?
whats the fate 0f 203mm ?
Panzerkiel
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Will continue to serve SP role for some time. Not going anywhere. Excellent thing for Counter bombardment and harassing fire. Packs quiet a punch.
Hopefully Pessimistic
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How did the clashes start? Was there actual reason or just one side randomly started
