Egyptian Armed Forces

Ya @GoMig-21, I think you created a new aircraft hahaha there is nothing called EFT2000, it is either EFT or Mirage 2K hahaha. For me, we will not get EFT nor the J-10 nor the F-15.

You are aware that was the original name given to the aircraft, right? EFT2000 Euro Fighter Typhoon 2000 because that was the year it was officially to become operational. Granted I'll give you the inclusion of the '2000' in the name is not what it goes by now, and its British pilots mostly call it the "Euri", but it is the actual original, official & complete name given to the aircraft.

As far as your personal assessment of the situation, I can see why you would think that neither of those 3 will end up in the EAF. But what about the F-15 being the sole reason for the loss of the Su-35SE? Supposedly Abd El-Gawad told the Americans their offer of the F-15 with its restrictions wouldn't even make it half as good as the current MiG-29Ms. And they are looking for a replacement for the terrible loss of the Su-35s so there has to be something to make up for that, no?

That's where I think the TYPHOON lol comes in because I believe Sisi is going that route because there must be some possibility of the Meteor coming with the Rafales (according to Tactical Report) and in that case, they would be available for the EFTs as well which then puts pressure on the US. Doesn't that make all sense? And we know the 24 Typhoons were in fact part of the Italian mega deal and an attempt at purchasing them separately recently.
 
Here's the article from Tactical Report. I was looking for someone who had paid for it so that I can get it for free lol and I found it, or at least most of it:

The Egyptian Air Force (EAF) is expected to receive an "un-downgraded" Typhoon, equipped with the Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM), which has a range of over 100 km and can engage multiple targets simultaneously. The Meteor is considered one of the most advanced air-to-air missiles in the world and would give the EAF a significant edge over its regional rivals, The deal also includes training and maintenance support from Leonardo, the Italian aerospace and defense company that leads the Typhoon consortium. Leonardo will provide Egypt with simulators, spare parts, and technical assistance for the Typhoon, as well as the M-346 trainer aircraft and the observation satellite.

Egypt would receive the Meteor missile with the delivery of the Rafale fighters. The contract includes 200 Meteor missiles, as well as 200 Scalp cruise missiles, which have a range of over 290 km and can strike ground targets with precision. The contract also includes 50 MICA NG air-to-air missiles, which are an improved version of the MICA missiles that Egypt already operates with its existing Rafale fleet. ¹

- The Rafale deal also includes maintenance and training services for the EAF. Safran Aircraft Engines, the manufacturer of the M88 engines that power the Rafale, has signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with the EAF to provide EngineLife services, a solution that offers by-the-hour support and guaranteed availability levels. The MoU also involves sharing maintenance tasks between Safran and the EAF, enabling local on-base mechanics to benefit from Safran's experience and expertise.

- The Rafale deal is part of Egypt's efforts to modernize its air force and enhance its regional security and deterrence capabilities. Egypt is the first export customer of the Rafale and has ordered a total of 54 aircraft, making it the largest operator of the Rafale outside France. The Rafale is a multi-role combat aircraft that can perform air superiority, interdiction, reconnaissance, ground support, and nuclear deterrence missions. The Rafale is also capable of operating from aircraft carriers, which Egypt plans to acquire in the future.

In 2022, the U.S. decided to intervene in the Typhoon deal, by offering Egypt a package of incentives and concessions, in exchange for dropping the Su-35 contract and limiting the Typhoon acquisition. The U.S. offered to resume its military aid and arms sales to Egypt, which had been suspended since 2013, and to provide Egypt with advanced weapons, such as the F-35 stealth fighter, the F-16V Block 70/72, and the Patriot air defense system. The U.S. also offered to waive the CAATSA sanctions on Egypt, and to support Egypt's role in the region, especially in the Libyan peace process and the Nile dam dispute with Ethiopia. Egypt agreed to cancel the Su-35 contract with Russia, and to reduce the number of Typhoons from 36 to 24, in order to appease the U.S. and avoid the sanctions and the QME issue. Egypt also insisted on getting the "un-downgraded" Typhoon, with the Meteor BVRAAM, which would give it a significant edge over its regional rivals, such as Israel, Turkey, and Iran, who do not possess it.


This is fascinating stuff.
 
Here's the article from Tactical Report. I was looking for someone who had paid for it so that I can get it for free lol and I found it, or at least most of it:

The Egyptian Air Force (EAF) is expected to receive an "un-downgraded" Typhoon, equipped with the Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM), which has a range of over 100 km and can engage multiple targets simultaneously. The Meteor is considered one of the most advanced air-to-air missiles in the world and would give the EAF a significant edge over its regional rivals, The deal also includes training and maintenance support from Leonardo, the Italian aerospace and defense company that leads the Typhoon consortium. Leonardo will provide Egypt with simulators, spare parts, and technical assistance for the Typhoon, as well as the M-346 trainer aircraft and the observation satellite.

Egypt would receive the Meteor missile with the delivery of the Rafale fighters. The contract includes 200 Meteor missiles, as well as 200 Scalp cruise missiles, which have a range of over 290 km and can strike ground targets with precision. The contract also includes 50 MICA NG air-to-air missiles, which are an improved version of the MICA missiles that Egypt already operates with its existing Rafale fleet. ¹

- The Rafale deal also includes maintenance and training services for the EAF. Safran Aircraft Engines, the manufacturer of the M88 engines that power the Rafale, has signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with the EAF to provide EngineLife services, a solution that offers by-the-hour support and guaranteed availability levels. The MoU also involves sharing maintenance tasks between Safran and the EAF, enabling local on-base mechanics to benefit from Safran's experience and expertise.

- The Rafale deal is part of Egypt's efforts to modernize its air force and enhance its regional security and deterrence capabilities. Egypt is the first export customer of the Rafale and has ordered a total of 54 aircraft, making it the largest operator of the Rafale outside France. The Rafale is a multi-role combat aircraft that can perform air superiority, interdiction, reconnaissance, ground support, and nuclear deterrence missions. The Rafale is also capable of operating from aircraft carriers, which Egypt plans to acquire in the future.

In 2022, the U.S. decided to intervene in the Typhoon deal, by offering Egypt a package of incentives and concessions, in exchange for dropping the Su-35 contract and limiting the Typhoon acquisition. The U.S. offered to resume its military aid and arms sales to Egypt, which had been suspended since 2013, and to provide Egypt with advanced weapons, such as the F-35 stealth fighter, the F-16V Block 70/72, and the Patriot air defense system. The U.S. also offered to waive the CAATSA sanctions on Egypt, and to support Egypt's role in the region, especially in the Libyan peace process and the Nile dam dispute with Ethiopia. Egypt agreed to cancel the Su-35 contract with Russia, and to reduce the number of Typhoons from 36 to 24, in order to appease the U.S. and avoid the sanctions and the QME issue. Egypt also insisted on getting the "un-downgraded" Typhoon, with the Meteor BVRAAM, which would give it a significant edge over its regional rivals, such as Israel, Turkey, and Iran, who do not possess it.


This is fascinating stuff.
Told you..lol
 
Told you..lol

You did, absolutely. You know I wasn't questioning you, right? I was questioning the validity of the information that's all since almost every other piece of news was denying the approval from Dassault/MBDA for at least the Meteor. Not sure about the MICA NG which in of itself is supposed to be a sickly dangerous missile that borders on the BVR spectrum with a very high PK ratio. So that's a good thing.

But assuming the Tactical info is correct, that was during the last year of the Trump administration I believe because of the mention of the F-35 and I know how much of a donkey that clown is with all his over-ambitious promises he would never keep, especially with the totally unrealistic offer of the F-35. Besides, that headache might not be the best option for the EAF unlike Saudi or the UAE for example. The operating costs are just too much I think for Egypt. So the least I can do is take that information with a grain of salt.

Also all the CAATSA stuff was from Pompeo which if agreed on and they drop it, that opens the door for the MiG-35 in a huge way. Only question would be to what end? If we know the Su-35SE is out of the question, pretty sure the Su-57 would be on the list as well but what abut the Su-75? A lot of neat things to ponder for sure.

And if the Tactical stuff is true, it would be amazing but still, 200 missiles of each, the Meteor and the SCALP seem like shit numbers TBH. @Sami_1 was talking about 300+ missiles just for Meteors I think, and we know the EAF already has around what, 50 or 75 SCALPs, 100 at the most with the first Rafales? Low numbers but that's going to be the only way around the effing QME.
 
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You did, absolutely. You know I wasn't questioning you, right? I was questioning the validity of the information that's all since almost every other piece of news was denying the approval from Dassault/MBDA for at least the Meteor. Not sure about the MICA NG which in of itself is supposed to be a sickly dangerous missile that borders on the BVR spectrum with a very high PK ratio. So that's a good thing.

But assuming the Tactical info is correct, that was during the last year of the Trump administration I believe because of the mention of the F-35 and I know how much of a donkey that clown is with all his over-ambitious promises he would never keep, especially with the totally unrealistic offer of the F-35. Besides, that headache might not be the best option for the EAF unlike Saudi or the UAE for example. The operating costs are just too much I think for Egypt. So the least I can do is take that information with a grain of salt.

Also all the CAATSA stuff was from Pompeo which if agreed on and they drop it, that opens the door for the MiG-35 in a huge way. Only question would be to what end? If we know the Su-35SE is out of the question, pretty sure the Su-57 would be on the list as well but what abut the Su-75? A lot of neat things to ponder for sure.

And if the Tactical stuff is true, it would be amazing but still, 200 missiles of each, the Meteor and the SCALP seem like shit numbers TBH. @Sami_1 was talking about 300+ missiles just for Meteors I think, and we know the EAF already has around what, 50 or 75 SCALPs, 100 at the most with the first Rafales? Low numbers but that's going to be the only way around the effing QME.
The MICA NG will be for the Navy first..

I read a report saying that The Rafale RCS is the same as the SU-57.. 0.1 to 1 m..

The SU-75 will be a good buy in big numbers..

The Meteor and scalp numbers are just a start they will get bigger with the new deal(s).. maybe even some ToT..since the whole plane will be assembled in Egypt with a lot of local components..
 
Here's the article from Tactical Report. I was looking for someone who had paid for it so that I can get it for free lol and I found it, or at least most of it:

The Egyptian Air Force (EAF) is expected to receive an "un-downgraded" Typhoon, equipped with the Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM), which has a range of over 100 km and can engage multiple targets simultaneously. The Meteor is considered one of the most advanced air-to-air missiles in the world and would give the EAF a significant edge over its regional rivals, The deal also includes training and maintenance support from Leonardo, the Italian aerospace and defense company that leads the Typhoon consortium. Leonardo will provide Egypt with simulators, spare parts, and technical assistance for the Typhoon, as well as the M-346 trainer aircraft and the observation satellite.

Egypt would receive the Meteor missile with the delivery of the Rafale fighters. The contract includes 200 Meteor missiles, as well as 200 Scalp cruise missiles, which have a range of over 290 km and can strike ground targets with precision. The contract also includes 50 MICA NG air-to-air missiles, which are an improved version of the MICA missiles that Egypt already operates with its existing Rafale fleet. ¹

- The Rafale deal also includes maintenance and training services for the EAF. Safran Aircraft Engines, the manufacturer of the M88 engines that power the Rafale, has signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with the EAF to provide EngineLife services, a solution that offers by-the-hour support and guaranteed availability levels. The MoU also involves sharing maintenance tasks between Safran and the EAF, enabling local on-base mechanics to benefit from Safran's experience and expertise.

- The Rafale deal is part of Egypt's efforts to modernize its air force and enhance its regional security and deterrence capabilities. Egypt is the first export customer of the Rafale and has ordered a total of 54 aircraft, making it the largest operator of the Rafale outside France. The Rafale is a multi-role combat aircraft that can perform air superiority, interdiction, reconnaissance, ground support, and nuclear deterrence missions. The Rafale is also capable of operating from aircraft carriers, which Egypt plans to acquire in the future.

In 2022, the U.S. decided to intervene in the Typhoon deal, by offering Egypt a package of incentives and concessions, in exchange for dropping the Su-35 contract and limiting the Typhoon acquisition. The U.S. offered to resume its military aid and arms sales to Egypt, which had been suspended since 2013, and to provide Egypt with advanced weapons, such as the F-35 stealth fighter, the F-16V Block 70/72, and the Patriot air defense system. The U.S. also offered to waive the CAATSA sanctions on Egypt, and to support Egypt's role in the region, especially in the Libyan peace process and the Nile dam dispute with Ethiopia. Egypt agreed to cancel the Su-35 contract with Russia, and to reduce the number of Typhoons from 36 to 24, in order to appease the U.S. and avoid the sanctions and the QME issue. Egypt also insisted on getting the "un-downgraded" Typhoon, with the Meteor BVRAAM, which would give it a significant edge over its regional rivals, such as Israel, Turkey, and Iran, who do not possess it.


This is fascinating stuff.
While I do believe Egypt will certainly have the Meteor for its Rafales (if it did not receive them already), the article does not make sense. It's plausible that upgrades are underway for the f-16 fleet. However, in what universe would the US give Egypt the F-35 and waive CAATSA just so that Egypt cancels the Su-35 deal (which is why the US is threatening them with CAATSA in the first place) and gets a dozen less typhoons. Also, it is logical that the Meteor would greatly improve Egypt's BVR capabilities. However, it would not single handedly change the regional balance of power by any means. After all, isn't the purpose of all this back and forth is preserving the QME?

"I'm going to give you F-35s. upgrade your massive f-16 fleet, and help fund it. In exchange, I want you to lower your typhoon acquisition by a dozen jets and not buy another 2-3 dozen Su-35's. You know, to maintain Israel's QME."

This website is world famous for its BS so it doesn't surprise me though.
 
It's plausible that upgrades are underway for the f-16 fleet. However, in what universe would the US give Egypt the F-35 and waive CAATSA just so that Egypt cancels the Su-35 deal (which is why the US is threatening them with CAATSA in the first place) and gets a dozen less typhoons.

In the Trump world, the luni-bin world that is. We know for a fact that the orange turd offered the F-35 in one of his fun-loving moods while meeting with Sisi but we all knew it was a bunch of horseshit. So just by the virtue of the Trump-luni-bin factor, the rest is questionable that I agree.

The bottom-line question would be why would Tactical Report, a paid-for online agency "make things up"? Now that doesn't make sense more-so than the rest of the stuff. And where is it well-known to be world famous for its BS? Could you please elaborate on that.

Sure the US would waive CAATSA and keep the numbers of the Typhoons at 24 instead of 36 because contrary to what many might think. That actually makes a huge difference and I'll tell you why: Average squadron is 12 aircraft. 24 instead of 36 means 2 squadrons instead of 3. That's one limiting factor. The typical initial order for most aircraft from almost any manufacturer and country is 24, sometimes with an option for an additional 12 ala Egypt's first batch of Rafales. Qatar's first batch also and both were given the option for the additional 12 of which only Qatar exercised. Egypt tried but was unsuccessful because France had issues with the financing aspect. In the end, they worked out an order for an additional 30 as we know of which the additional 6 is very interesting and probably has to do with ability to pay. My guess is the EAF wanted the standard 36 number of aircraft and because of cost, it got whittled down to 30.

Pakistan just bought 24 J-10Cs again because the initial number is always a 2-squadron average and it's a start for both parties.

Egypt with its F-16s block 52. The number originally was 24 haggled and razzled ended up being 20. Most manufacturers will only offer an initial number like that with the exception of Russia, and actually they usually do stick to that also because of their production line capacities and cost. Hence the MiG-29M/M2 @ 46 units and Ka-52 @ 46 as well.

We all know how much of a threat the EAF presents to the zionists and how scared shitless they are of us and always trying to knock down advanced weaponry from the EAF despite them not only having the AIM-120C, but their own garbage also.

And by allowing an "un-downgraded" Typhoon like the article suggest, that means it would be either the Tranche 3A or the latest in the 4 which is more of a reason to limit it to 2 squadrons since it would come with these deadly possibilities:

Missiles: [367]

That's another platform that would be capable of firing the Meteor on top of the Rafale. Add them together that's 54 + 24 for a total of 78 Meteor firing platforms instead of 90. I can see the Israelis soiling themselves as we speak! That's a HUUUGEAH problem for the zionist, least of all the US so another reason to knock down the numbers from 36 to 24.

Not sure if the AGM-88 or the ASRAAM would be included, or even the AIM-120 of course since Egypt is baaaaad, baaaaaad, bad bad baaaaad. But with the IRIS-T and Meteor, that's good enough to do some serious damage.

Add the other reasons I mentioned, and it all makes sense to knock down the typhoon number from 36 to 24. There's so much more to these decisions than what meets the eye, or what's only on the surface. So yeah, I do buy it.

The overall idea that dictates the US' need to maintain the QME is the zionists' constant fearmongering of Egypt attacking it, or always having the ambition to attack it and all that rubbish. Look at that old donkey Eli Dekel or whatever the frig his name is. All he does is put supposed "independent research" of the Egyptian military and come up with conclusions that it's waiting for its chance to attack Israel. Just buying its time and not just the military, he researches the Egyptian people's psyche as well.

And he's a member of the ex-Mossad Clownship Royale so do we think the actual intelligence agencies aren't looking into things on a grandeur scale? Of course they are and they have to make these determinations which lead to even the small details that we, as common, layman folk wouldn't realize could be a big deal like reducing the number of such deadly jets by only 12. But when you break it down like I just did, it does make a lot of sense, no?

As far as the details for the US waiving CAATSA? Yes, absolutely. It's not all just what the US wants. Remember, this isn't the Mubarak years and I know the typical sentiment towards Sisi as a tinpot dictator and all that crap. People forget the man has proven to be a genius with the way he's modernized the entire military in just 10 years. Add all the civilian projects and coming from a very strong military background, that adds to his clout contrary to what some might want to think, because of that brutal dictatorial label that was placed on him. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he's been front and center in these negotiations and is insisting on these certain "un-downgraded" platforms and negotiating the waiver of CAATSA since the Egyptian military's makeup is 50% +/- Russian platforms, give or take. There's a huge need to maintain Egypt's ability to keep purchasing power with Russia simply because of that factor.

I would even go as far as to say that what I would actually doubt would happen is the US upgrading the F-16s. They've been a stickler for maintaining them the way they are and the only upgrade they allowed was the block 15s & 30s to block 40s and that's it! Not even MLUs which Pakistan was able to get. A large portion of their F-16 As & Bs were upgraded to the mid-life-upgrade standard giving them primarily the ability to fire the AIM-120 of which the US had limited the supplied order to 500. Who knows if they'll get a restocking on them with the way things are going and with India cozying up to the US. They probably will, though, since they obediently and masterfully complied with the US' desire to take Imran Khan out of the loop using "legal" means to do it, ala taking a "no-confidence vote" and ousting him. And making sure he goes to prison for as long as possible. The Pakistan military knows what it's doing, and we think Egypt isn't learning from all of these backdoor deals to avoid similar things happening while also getting the most in return?

Also, it is logical that the Meteor would greatly improve Egypt's BVR capabilities. However, it would not single handedly change the regional balance of power by any means.

The article never suggested that. This is what it said: The Meteor is considered one of the most advanced air-to-air missiles in the world and would give the EAF a significant edge over its regional rivals.

The Meteor will close the gap but will not change the equation. The prominent regionals powers are building their own A2A missiles (Python and Derby for Israel and GÖKTUĞ program series)

It most definitely will "change the equation". Are you saying it simply won't even make a single difference? If that's the case, then why have they made a HUUUGGEAH STINK about it and at the same time been crying about the AIM-120 for decades before that? lol Come on, fellas.

I know the new fad is to be critical and pessimistic and all that. I have no problem with that but we need to look at the specific details in a much broader context. Example - underestimating the effect the Meteor would have when not taking into account the decades of banning the AIM-120 AND the fact that it wouldn't just be the Meteor, but a combination of the Meteor, R-77 possibly R-77-1, ASTRA, PL-15E, AIM-7 Sparrow, MICA IR/ER then add R-73/74, ASRAAM, IRIS-T, AIM-9L/M. The Su-35SE freakout by the US and especially the zionists to the point where they publicly stated they had no objection to the EAF acquiring the F-15E Strike Eagle after 40 years of denying it was also because the Su-35SE would undoubtedly carry the phenomenally deadly R-37M. There is no way they would allow that missile to the EAF and add it to that list above? And with the Meteor? lmaaaooooo. Big picure, fellas, big picture.

Sorry the post is long, but you asked for it, Parallel! lol :D
 
The MICA NG will be for the Navy first..

I read a report saying that The Rafale RCS is the same as the SU-57.. 0.1 to 1 m..

The SU-75 will be a good buy in big numbers..

The Meteor and scalp numbers are just a start they will get bigger with the new deal(s).. maybe even some ToT..since the whole plane will be assembled in Egypt with a lot of local components..
SU-57/75 will fail. Russia can't mass produce it. And there is rumors saying that the SU-57 is more of a 4,5+++gen than a 5th gen aircraft.
 
It most definitely will "change the equation". Are you saying it simply won't even make a single difference? If that's the case, then why have they made a HUUUGGEAH STINK about it and at the same time been crying about the AIM-120 for decades before that? lol Come on, fellas.

I know the new fad is to be critical and pessimistic and all that. I have no problem with that but we need to look at the specific details in a much broader context. Example - underestimating the effect the Meteor would have when not taking into account the decades of banning the AIM-120 AND the fact that it wouldn't just be the Meteor, but a combination of the Meteor, R-77 possibly R-77-1, ASTRA, PL-15E, AIM-7 Sparrow, MICA IR/ER then add R-73/74, ASRAAM, IRIS-T, AIM-9L/M. The Su-35SE freakout by the US and especially the zionists to the point where they publicly stated they had no objection to the EAF acquiring the F-15E Strike Eagle after 40 years of denying it was also because the Su-35SE would undoubtedly carry the phenomenally deadly R-37M. There is no way they would allow that missile to the EAF and add it to that list above? And with the Meteor? lmaaaooooo. Big picure, fellas, big picture.
What I meant is that Meteor for the Rafales will not change the idea that Israel has a BVR for each of her fighter aircrafts. For us, our BVR capabilities are in MIG-29 and Rafales only. Our F-16s don't have AIM-120 missiles
 
What I meant is that Meteor for the Rafales will not change the idea that Israel has a BVR for each of her fighter aircrafts. For us, our BVR capabilities are in MIG-29 and Rafales only. Our F-16s don't have AIM-120 missiles

But it wouldn't just be for the Rafales is the point. It would include the EFT2000 lol. Almost 80 platforms capable of firing that missile is a serious number for any air force. And just because the F-16 don't have the AIM-120 doesn't mean that with the threat of the Rafales (and possibly the EFTs) with Meteors, the F-16s A2A capability is also increased with its AIM-7s. Having the Meteor on the European jets would give the F-16s that additional comfort level, increasing their potential. It's all a snowball effect which makes that missile so important.

The "significant edge" means it's a huge boost over the status quo, compounded by other mitigating factors that would be greatly affected by simply the missile's availability to the EAF.

Imagine hypothetically going to war with the zionist and facing their powerful aircraft and the AIM-120 really is the only significant difference. WVR would be even for the most part considering the EAF's MICAs, R-73s/74s and AIM-9s against the zionists SR missiles. But It would be a huge challenge for the EAF as it would have to seriously alter & change its long-range tactics to fight without the advantage of a big BVR threat. Now envision that with the EAF going in with the Meteor. The tactics now become much easier, giving the EAF a bigger "edge" in the battlefield. That's what Tactical was implying.

With the Su-57 I agree on the production part. Right now, it's a problem for them but it's still in the early phase. I think once the new engine is finally ready and they really get going, they'll be pumping out serious numbers since we know Russia's production capability and how legendary it is. The engine's availability might be a leading factor to their current production rate since they're really not in a hurry to make it operational. They're not going to use it in Ukraine for sure. They don't need to and why end up being stuck with more platforms that don't have the required engine or have to replace them when they can minimize that number of aircraft with the older engines but slowing the production rate. I don't think it will fail at all.

As for the Su-75? I think they're developing it as we speak and the early, flying prototypes will be coming out soon, considering Putin's recent raising of Russia's military budget.

But what I want to know is what is the extent of the UAE's involvement with the Checkmate? @The SC might know. But I think there is some serious financing & involvement by the UAE which could very well move the development phase a lot more rapidly than we think.
 
As for the Su-75? I think they're developing it as we speak and the early, flying prototypes will be coming out soon, considering Putin's recent raising of Russia's military budget.

But what I want to know is what is the extent of the UAE's involvement with the Checkmate? @The SC might know. But I think there is some serious financing & involvement by the UAE which could very well move the development phase a lot more rapidly than we think.
We know they have signed a deal.. and it would manufactured in both countries..after that there was the display of the SU-75.. the whole affair is kept secret and mysterious..
 
This last statement makes no sense.. why would Egypt care about who gets upset ? Who are Egypts "strategic" allies btw ?
Strategic allies are USA and Israel per camp David agreement hence, why Hamas, Iran, Syria is the enemy and Israelis are friend

People confuse the Eygpt of 1960s with Eygpt of 1980s.
 
Strategic allies are USA and Israel per camp David agreement hence, why Hamas, Iran, Syria is the enemy and Israelis are friend

People confuse the Eygpt of 1960s with Eygpt of 1980s.
This again shows you lack of knowledge about this subject..can you refrain from commenting with ignorance,,
 
Strategic allies are USA and Israel per camp David agreement hence, why Hamas, Iran, Syria is the enemy and Israelis are friend

People confuse the Eygpt of 1960s with Eygpt of 1980s.
USA is an "ally" of Egypt but not Israel. If it was true then we wouldn't have decided to join the case in ICJ
 

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