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[ToddE]

If you subtract the impact strikes (less than 7 I forgot the number) you had 1 or 2 stages in Jordan and a few in Israel and that’s it. And these aren’t tiny stages they are absolutely massive.

And the video of cruise missiles was even less I only saw 2-3 civilian videos. And launching cruise missiles in a highly GPS jammed environment doesn’t make sense unless Iran is using a form of TERCOMM in its cruise missiles (possible but never shown).

In the end it was a lie that both sides didn’t expose.

No videos from Iranian side showing 300+ projectiles. No civilian videos of people living close to them between Iran and Iraq.

No major videos from the west showing them shooting them down.

Conclusion: Fake news



No proof of 300 projectiles, no proof of even 100 projectiles (drone, CMs, and BMs). This wasn’t a katushya attack that you say it’s hard to find these impacts or capture video. Every fighter jet has video and everyone in Middle East has a smart phone and access to internet.

Yet we saw proof of less than 50 projectiles maybe even less than 30.

I have felt Iran got more out of this, we saw 9 missiles passing through and hitting targets. Some of the MaRVs even pulled a maneuver to dodge the interceptor. Let's say 30 missiles were fired and CENTCOM confirmed 9 hits on just one base then that's an exceptional result by IRGC-AF defeating world's most densely guarded airspace with 30-40% hits on a layered ABM-IADS.

Whatever behind the curtain deal was cut, Iran chose to stay silent on this matter and let Israel push this 300 projectile story to save face. I would say good job by IRI.

They are just fanboys who cannot tolerate criticism or anything negative. “Everything is awesome” crowd. If you ever wondered who believes General Salami’s sandwhich propaganda, it’s these guys.

So when you give them doses of reality they lose it.

It’s just like some of the delusional fanboys of other countries like Pakistan or India that think their country is the most important military power on the planet and that no one dares to make a move against them. When reality is they are not geopolitically important for the great power games.

Our kind has never been this stupid, this is what differentiated us from others around us but because of this constant deception and boastful propoganda by stupid officials, they have achieved two things (A) Real achievements by IRI fail to get highlighted especially in the aerospace sector, instead, blatant propoganda is pushed (B) We have given birth to these delusional children who mimic this behavior of pushing irrational boastful propoganda by claiming 100 x 5th generation Kowsars controlled by AI. This is why characters like Salami, Vahidi, Bagheri etc are dangerous.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I have felt Iran got more out of this, we saw 9 missiles passing through and hitting targets. Some of the MaRVs even pulled a maneuver to dodge the interceptor. Let's say 30 missiles were fired and CENTCOM confirmed 9 hits on just one base then that's an exceptional result by IRGC-AF defeating world's most densely guarded airspace with 30-40% hits on a layered ABM-IADS.

Whatever behind the curtain deal was cut, Iran chose to stay silent on this matter and let Israel push this 300 projectile story to save face. I would say good job by IRI.

US version of events is 100 ballistic missiles (+ 200 drones/cruise missiles). the US claims half failed to launch so 50 launched to Israel

problem is satellite imagery showed virtually no hits or damage, even though this came out many days after the strike

 

[Mehdipersian]

US version of events is 100 ballistic missiles (+ 200 drones/cruise missiles). the US claims half failed to launch so 50 launched to Israel

problem is satellite imagery showed virtually no hits or damage, even though this came out many days after the strike

No clear satellite images of Israeli bases have been released so far.

 

[ToddE]

well i didn't see any of those kowsar in production line patrolling our air . so he is right in that regard and specially if you look at air force budget and then look at the circus they had to keep flight-worthy m you understand why today our air force is such mess

18-24 Kowsar airframes have been sitting on HESA's dysfunctional assembly line for 6 years now. Nothing has changed since late Raisi's famous visit to the facility. 5 x fighters have been inducted only and they serve as "Full Mission Capable (FMC) prototypes" at Tabriz TAB2, The recent one inducted looked sharp but no signs of actual operationalization with weapons.

By now the entire F-5E/F/R/A + Saegheh I/II + Azaraksh fleet (Some ~80 airframes) should have been retired and dismantled to create a parts repository for Kowsar. From 2018 to now even if we go by a modest rate of 10-12 fighters per year, they should have had some 70 Kowsars. A low RCS light nimble 4.0 gen BVR fighter, fully integrated with IADS and UCAV fleet through its datalink and strong electronic warfare capability. Its operationalization would have brought a new generation of local WVR, light BVR, and PGMS. With IADS strengthened, HESA could have focused on lowering the RCS on next airframe with turbofans either local or Saljut AL-222-25.

I would not trust these people to keep SU-35S operationalized for too long.

 

[ToddE]

US version of events is 100 ballistic missiles (+ 200 drones/cruise missiles). the US claims half failed to launch so 50 launched to Israel

problem is satellite imagery showed virtually no hits or damage, even though this came out many days after the strike

The video showed 7-9 missiles (Kheybar-Shikan MaRV? Emad?) hitting just one area in one single frame. No satellite images of bases are available. The Craters Israel showed seemed like they were dug by machinery.

My theory, ~30-40 missiles at best were fired out of which 9 are confirmed hits at a place that both sides refused to comment on. Israel showed fake craters at the wrong place and pushed the 300 projectile narrative and Iran stayed silent. Possibly some deal was cut out.

 

[muhammed45]

when Iraqi air defense tried to intercept anything from iran
and which Iranian cruise missile look like that
and you expect jordan tell us of Israeli force using their space ?
and you think Israel can't jam Iraqi radars if there be any ?

Their evidence is a joke. Dont be so blind to the truth. Can’t you see the difference between appearance of an Iraqi and an Iranian?

In fact "let's reduce the pain" was the main mission just to ease their pain. I call it media war, similarly, recently after Arbaeen OP of Hezbollah, Israeli mouthpieces claimed Israel conducted a pre emptive attack on Lebanon which appeared to be an other joke. Even Nasrallah himself called it a bluff of Zionists. Nasrallah for all people out there even for Zionists is a man of honesty.

Not Iraqi airforce but the coalition fighter jets present in the area and their air defense systems tried to down Iranian projectiles headed towards Israel.

I do not expect damn from Jordanian bastards. But at the very least someone should have noticed it. An aerial attack at this time and age in that scale doesnt go unnoticed. Leave that fantasy world of invisible and invincible air force of Israel then it would be easy for you to understand what i am talking about.

Yeah Israel can jam Iraqi radars but they can’t jam the mouthes of Iraqis to stop them from condemning violation of Iraqi airspace or bombing of their homeland by Israelis. Why no one even talked about it? Why only Zionist mouthpieces?

Western media as a whole is a pathological liar of the highest order. In order to keep Israeli invincibility in minds of our naive people they coordinate their headlines.

War has a soft area beside its hardwares used in battle. The soft part includes info war and propaganda. Even the Persian Wiki page in the end of its bullshit calls it a doubtful claim and the English part has no mention of it?

But in Iranian defence section everyone is talking about an Israeli attack of that kind on Iran and our moderators like a silly girl thinks hey they maybe right. What a joke

At least in the previous forum we knew who was enemy and who was good or right. Here everything is mixed. I even doubt origin of @Persian Gulf. Time will tell

 

[tsunset]

when Iraqi air defense tried to intercept anything from iran
and which Iranian cruise missile look like that
and you expect jordan tell us of Israeli force using their space ?
and you think Israel can't jam Iraqi radars if there be any ?

There was 0 cruise missile launched during true promise

 

[Persian Gulf]

The video showed 7-9 missiles (Kheybar-Shikan MaRV? Emad?) hitting just one area in one single frame. No satellite images of bases are available. The Craters Israel showed seemed like they were dug by machinery.

My theory, ~30-40 missiles at best were fired out of which 9 are confirmed hits at a place that both sides refused to comment on. Israel showed fake craters at the wrong place and pushed the 300 projectile narrative and Iran stayed silent. Possibly some deal was cut out.

one video showed 5 impacts and another video showed 4 impacts

the crater shown was tiny but they also quickly paved over another impact on the runway

if your theory was correct we would see something from the satellite imagery

 

[Persian Gulf]

There was 0 cruise missile launched during true promise

that is just not true

iran even released videos showing multiple Paveh class LACMs being launched

 

[Hack-Hook]

I do not expect damn from Jordanian bastards. But at the very least someone should have noticed it. An aerial attack at this time and age in that scale doesnt go unnoticed. Leave that fantasy world of invisible and invincible air force of Israel then it would be easy for you to understand what i am talking about.

it was not that great only 2-3 missile body found easily could have been 1-2 f15, easily were missed by observers at that time of the day

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yeah Israel can jam Iraqi radars but they can’t jam the mouthes of Iraqis to stop them from condemning violation of Iraqi airspace or bombing of their homeland by Israelis. Why no one even talked about it? Why only Zionist mouthpieces?

did Iran talked about it , every one wanted to end it at that scale .
and honestly i doubt half of Iraq care if Israel attack Iran using their air space .

There was 0 cruise missile launched during true promise

In that regard , I believe your information was a little wrong

But in Iranian defence section everyone is talking about an Israeli attack of that kind on Iran and our moderators like a silly girl thinks hey they maybe right. What a joke

At least in the previous forum we knew who was enemy and who was good or right. Here everything is mixed. I even doubt origin of @Persian Gulf. Time will tell

you see , Jordan would have assisted the operation , Iraq had no way to be aware of it , unless we field Bavar-373 or Arman we don't have a way to prevent it.

now tell me why israel refrain from doing it specially if they want they can use a reduced war head to damage the target and we knew the radar in Isfahan replaced after that night .
you say a quad-copter , I say a air launched missile at iran-iraq border . why quad-copter theory must be considered more accurate, when there is no evidence to support it

 

[Mehdipersian]

There was 0 cruise missile launched during true promise

The video of Paveh cruise missiles being launched towards Israel has been published

 

[Immortals]

The video of Paveh cruise missiles being launched towards Israel has been published
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Cool now find the video or remains or even just a piece of metal of the other 299+ projectiles that the West and Iran both “claim” were fired.

1 cruise missile? Even Iraqi miltias do that.

 

[Shadihassan28]

Cool now find the video or remains or even just a piece of metal of the other 299+ projectiles that the West and Iran both “claim” were fired.

1 cruise missile? Even Iraqi miltias do that.

I think the main thing Iranians messed up on was they choreographed their attack to much they wanted people to see it coming and expected to have quite a few downed but not as much they should have had hezbollah, houthi and the Iraqi militias send the first smaller wave to keep those countries preoccupied and expend their defensive capabilities so iran would have had a better chance at connecting it’s basically same with Hezbollah they don’t want a full blown war or at least that’s what they say but if they had sent a second wave right after the first definitely would have connected quite a few hits

 

[tsunset]

I think the main thing Iranians messed up on was they choreographed their attack to much they wanted people to see it coming and expected to have quite a few downed but not as much they should have had hezbollah, houthi and the Iraqi militias send the first smaller wave to keep those countries preoccupied and expend their defensive capabilities so iran would have had a better chance at connecting it’s basically same with Hezbollah they don’t want a full blown war or at least that’s what they say but if they had sent a second wave right after the first definitely would have connected quite a few hits

This isn't about how much have hit, but how much missiles were launched

Just everything but 300 missiles, next they will claim that Iran has launched 50000 missiles on Israel