JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[TAC]

Pakistanis refuse to believe that the JF-17 can ever have any problems. They consistently called news outlets like Irrawaddy, a Burmese publication that published reports of major issues with the JF-17s, as Indian.

Yeah Ofcoarse ‘major issues’ that’s why Azerbaijan is spending billions buying itU should call them

 

[Oscar]

How does the SD10 compare to the AMRAAM from what you’ve seen and heard

SD-10AIM-120C-5
Heard from “THE” person on the project to my face.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

SD-10AIM-120C-5
Heard from “THE” person on the project to my face.

Huge statement.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... 3, Sources indicate that the Myanmar Air Force's JF-17 had major problems before the mission and it was Pakistani technicians who secretly flew to Myanmar to fix the problem. ------ The people who went to fix the problem were Pakistan, not China.
You can judge your point again.

Which "sources"? Please don't quote Indian sauces.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

you did not get sarcasm in my comment, you could not buy oil from Iran for all these years for fear of sanctions from the West, Selling Jf -17 looks near impossible to me

Who told you Pakistan does not buy oil from Iran?

When did Iran request Pakistan or China for fighter planes?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Pakistanis refuse to believe that the JF-17 can ever have any problems. They consistently called news outlets like Irrawaddy, a Burmese publication that published reports of major issues with the JF-17s, as Indian.

Nonsense. "The Irrawaddy" is an anti-government separatist run publication.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

I'll give you a few pointers.
1, JF-17 is a Sino-Pakistani cooperation program. Neither China nor Pakistan has the right to sell JF-17 alone before the other agrees.
2, CAC only has the R&D system for JF-17, not the production line for JF-17. The R&D system does make it, but the number of products made with the R&D system is very low and very costly. They only make samples for use in test-type products and mass-production types. They cannot be used to manufacture mass production type products.
3, Sources indicate that the Myanmar Air Force's JF-17 had major problems before the mission and it was Pakistani technicians who secretly flew to Myanmar to fix the problem. ------ The people who went to fix the problem were Pakistan, not China.
You can judge your point again.

1. Pakistan Air Force did its part in a deal mainly secured by AVIC. First picture of completed Thunder bound for Myanmaar appeared over CAC facility. Now, I am not saying entire aircraft were made their. PAC certainly did its part but plane were delivered to Myanmar from China after final testing there. In all other exports, final testing took place in Pakistan.
2. Situation in Myanmar regarding human rights violations were very hot debate in Pakistan at that time 2014~2017.3. Pakistan even suspended the deal in 2018, though there is no confirmation of this fact.
3. Pakistan couldn't dare to initiate work on Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline because of possible disapproval of Uncle Sam. Do you seriously think Pakistan would dare to supply weapons to a country which is in state of war with Israel? China on the other hand can make it happen. Now, I am not saying that PAC will not work on these jets at all. My point is final delivery will be POSSIBLY from China not from Pakistan. But, fact remains, there is no official demand from Iran for Thunders so far!

 

[Awwad]

Pakistanis refuse to believe that the JF-17 can ever have any problems. They consistently called news outlets like Irrawaddy, a Burmese publication that published reports of major issues with the JF-17s, as Indian.

You got to question your common sense if you believe in Propaganda versus the reality. Myanmar is not even democracy. Even if there is 1% truth to so called "problems" in Myanmar's fighter jets then Why on earth they will disclose those weaknesses or shortcomings in such times when they are in war within the country? You have to ask yourself, What is the source of these propaganda website news?? Is it Myanmar airforce?? Is it any official, what's the name / rank of those officials? or was any journalist allowed to visit the airbases ?? Whats the name of journalists? Why on earth military junta will allow a journalist to expose their weaknesses? OR all this is just rumors??? I mean grown-ups never believe in such hilarious rumors without proper source, without documentary evidence unless your brain is hardwired to believe in every hate/lie/propaganda because of constant brainwashing.

Lastly, Myanmar is being run by fascist military junta and there are freedom fighter groups which are fighting against Myanmar military junta, most of population supports these groups. Publications supportive of freedom groups will propagate any story to demoralize the military junta.

Those efforts of indian tabloids and indian military fan boys to propagate such ridiculous stories have literally no effect. JF-17 is a highly successful project. Majority of PAF squadrons have these birds and they are proving their effectiveness and capabilities. Four airforces of the world are operating it. More will join the club. So those propaganda/rumors have really no effect other than entertaining us for a while.

 

[ThirdFaculty]

SD-10AIM-120C-5
Heard from “THE” person on the project to my face.

Are some of the reports true that The radars on the blk1 and 2 are incompatible with the missile. In air force monthly about 2-3 years ago it stated PAF weren’t happy with the electronics system on the JF17 and went for an indigenous home made system it began with P.

 

[Oscar]

Are some of the reports true that The radars on the blk1 and 2 are incompatible with the missile. In air force monthly about 2-3 years ago it stated PAF weren’t happy with the electronics system on the JF17 and went for an indigenous home made system it began with P.

No - compatible with KLJ-7 from inception.

KLJ-7 was a decent radar but getting outdated based on requirements

early block-Is had a large amount of Chinese sub systems - by Block-II there were all types of systems from SA, Turkey and other sources. Block-III is going back to China as their tech has now jumped again but retaining aspects of comms , jamming and so on.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

I'll give you a few pointers.
1, JF-17 is a Sino-Pakistani cooperation program. Neither China nor Pakistan has the right to sell JF-17 alone before the other agrees.
2, CAC only has the R&D system for JF-17, not the production line for JF-17. The R&D system does make it, but the number of products made with the R&D system is very low and very costly. They only make samples for use in test-type products and mass-production types. They cannot be used to manufacture mass production type products.
3, Sources indicate that the Myanmar Air Force's JF-17 had major problems before the mission and it was Pakistani technicians who secretly flew to Myanmar to fix the problem. ------ The people who went to fix the problem were Pakistan, not China.
You can judge your point again.

Dear I think both you and PakShaheen have similar perspectives, but there might be a slight difference in explaining it. Regarding the Myanmar JF-17 production, it followed the same process as any other JF-17. However, the Myanmar deal is generally considered to be led by China (rather than Pakistan), and likely to be handed over by China. There is no difference in the manufacturing process. As for the order signing and supply, I think both countries can participate in these aspects and receive their respective shares.

 

[CombatCorner]

For anyone having doubts on JF-17s operational capability with Myanmar airforce, here's footage of them going about their buisness just weeks earlier.

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[Bilal]

Irrawaddy, a Burmese publication

Read all the topics of irrawaddy. It’s an anti Myanmar regime publication most likely belonging to separatists.

It’s like quoting mizoram separatist publications on indian procurements.

 

[HRK]

Dear I think both you and PakShaheen have similar perspectives, but there might be a slight difference in explaining it. Regarding the Myanmar JF-17 production, it followed the same process as any other JF-17. However, the Myanmar deal is generally considered to be led by China (rather than Pakistan), and likely to be handed over by China. There is no difference in the manufacturing process. As for the order signing and supply, I think both countries can participate in these aspects and receive their respective shares

Deal was won and signed between China and Myanmar but we had pictorial evidence and not too much publicized official visits of PAF officials including PAF Chief's visit to Myanmar.

I myself posted a news articles at previous PDF which was published in Myanmar press and was disclosing the matter of discussion about the training of Myanmar personals and upgrade of airbase.

Another thing which Pakistani members are forgetting is that Myanmar jets for the very first time were unintentionally revealed under manufacturing in PAC Kamra during an special tv program on aired in Pakistan for defense day celebration.

Parts of the airframes which were manufactured in Pakistan were then delivered to China for the final assembly and integration of Myanmar specific avionics package as Ruby jets use different Radar and avionics then the standard avionics of JF-17 jets.

 

[Pradotlc]

you did not get sarcasm in my comment, you could not buy oil from Iran for all these years for fear of sanctions from the West, Selling Jf -17 looks near impossible to me

Apu,

no shit....



you do under understand how contract work..

all Iran has to do this swap the contract with China instead of Pakistan.... in the 1970s Pakistan did a similar kind of scam with Iran. It wanted F-86s sabres.. so Iran bought them then after a time sold them off as surplus stock Pakistan... ie ex Luffewaffe types.

now apu since your exposure to the real world is limited to grocery store suggest you stay there and keep charging over priced condoms to other apu....