Green light for Eurofighter from Germany for the Turkish Air Force

[Ali_Baba]

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Apparently, Türkiye isn't allowed to use these fighter jets in a dogfight against Greek fighter jets. These fighters are also not allowed to be used during war against Greece. A condition set by Germany.

So Greece can attack Turkey with no restriction but Turkey cannot defend itself from Greece using these planes ?

(and as i type this - it occurs to that MMM-E will say that Turkey will 500 foot c-ck that is unsurpased in the world and the sheer air displacement of it alone when they swing it will send all the greeks into hiding behind some rocks or something and then he will proceed to do a copy-paste show all the details of what/how/why .... where is @Foinikas ? lol )...

 

[bengalcdn]

So Greece can attack Turkey with no restriction but Turkey cannot defend itself from Greece using these planes ?

(and as i type this - it occurs to that MMM-E will say that Turkey will 500 foot c-ck that is unsurpased in the world and the sheer air displacement of it alone when they swing it will send all the greeks into hiding behind some rocks or something and then he will proceed to do a copy-paste show all the details of what/how/why .... where is @Foinikas ? lol )...

Forget Greece, what about Israel? Let’s say the Israelis want to implement greater Israel and attacks Turkey, will these euro fighters be able to fight against Israeli fighters or will Germany put it built in restrictions like the Americans did with Turkish F-16s until the TuAF found out during exercises with IAF that their fighters couldn’t lock on to Israeli F-16s. Then Turkey upgraded with their own mission computers. In my opinion turkey should get JF-17s like Azerbaijan and focus on Hurjet and Kaan full speed ahead instead of wasting money on Eurofighters which will end up as a potential “Trojan horse”

 

[Oublious]

Forget Greece, what about Israel? Let’s say the Israelis want to implement greater Israel and attacks Turkey, will these euro fighters be able to fight against Israeli fighters or will Germany put it built in restrictions like the Americans did with Turkish F-16s until the TuAF found out during exercises with IAF that their fighters couldn’t lock on to Israeli F-16s. Then Turkey upgraded with their own mission computers. In my opinion turkey should get JF-17s like Azerbaijan and focus on Hurjet and Kaan full speed ahead instead of wasting money on Eurofighters which will end up as a potential “Trojan horse”

EF will be used against Greece...

 

[alphapak]

will these euro fighters be able to fight against Israeli fighters

UK and Germany are fully controlled by the Israeli's, I won't be surprised
if these Eurofighters have a backdoor just like the Hezbollah pagers.

Israel has already blocked the sale of F35 to Türkiye but if they do get it
then it be a dumbed down version.

It is better for Türkiye to invest this money in KAAN and Kizielma instead.

 

[Ali_Baba]

UK and Germany are fully controlled by the Israeli's, I won't be surprised
if these Eurofighters have a backdoor just like the Hezbollah pagers.

Israel has already blocked the sale of F35 to Türkiye but if they do get it
then it be a dumbed down version.

It is better for Türkiye to invest this money in KAAN and Kizielma instead.

Turkey has a timeline problem. Kaan will take time to mature.

 

[MMM-E]

Dont show videos on youtube from people who are nothing to do with Turkish official sources


17.10.2024
Ministry of National Defense : No conditions for Eurofighter

“In line with the needs of the Turkish Air Force, we are working in line with our goals of adding modern warplanes equipped with advanced technology to the inventory and diversifying the inventory. As stated by our Minister; in addition to the procurement of 40 F-16V, our work on the procurement of Eurofighter Typhoon continues.


However, the main thing for us is the HÜRJET, which we will use for training and combat, and our 5th generation national combat aircraft, the KAAN.
A contract was signed in recent months regarding the procurement of the F-16V, a schedule was determined and the process is continuing as planned.

As for the procurement of the Eurofighter Typhoon; technical level studies are ongoing. The studies are being carried out to accelerate the process.
No conditions have been brought to the agenda in these studies.”

Milli Savunma Bakanlığı: Eurofighter için şart yok - Tolga Özbek

Almanya ile yapılan Eurofighter savaş uçağı alımı konusunda Milli Savunma Bakanlığı kaynakları bir açıklama yaptı. Bakanlık, alımla ilgili olarak herhangi bir

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In English from Greek Media

“Technical level works for the procurement of Eurofighter Typhoon jets are under way. The works are aimed at accelerating the process. No conditions have been raised in these works,” the Defense Ministry official told reporters.

Turkey working to accelerate Eurofighter jets buy, official says | eKathimerini.com

Turkey has been conducting technical works aimed at accelerating its planned purchase of Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets, a Defense Ministry official said on Thursday.

www.ekathimerini.com

Turkiye will use F-16V and Eurofighter wherever TURAF wants to use them

 

[MMM-E]

Germany says Britain taking lead on possible Eurofighters for Turkiye​

ISTANBUL, Oct 19 (Reuters) - German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said on Saturday that a project to possibly supply Turkiye with Eurofighter jets was an effort being driven by Britain

"It is something that will continue to develop, but is now being driven forward from there (Britain)," he said when asked about potential movement on the issue at a press conference in Istanbul with Turkish President ERDOGAN.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/germany-says-britain-taking-lead-possible-eurofighters-turkey-2024-10-19/

F-16V and Eurofighter will join the Turkish Air Force


Turkish Air Force in 2030
270 F-16 Block70
40 Eurofighter
20 KAAN
Dozens of KIZILELMA and ANKA-3
Also S400 and SIPER high altitude and long range Air Defense Systems

330 Fighter Jets with AESA Radar and armed with 160-200 km long range air to air missiles like AIM-120C8 , METEOR , GOKHAN

 

[Ali_Baba]

Germany says Britain taking lead on possible Eurofighters for Turkiye​

ISTANBUL, Oct 19 (Reuters) - German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said on Saturday that a project to possibly supply Turkiye with Eurofighter jets was an effort being driven by Britain

"It is something that will continue to develop, but is now being driven forward from there (Britain)," he said when asked about potential movement on the issue at a press conference in Istanbul with Turkish President ERDOGAN.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/germany-says-britain-taking-lead-possible-eurofighters-turkey-2024-10-19/

F-16V and Eurofighter will join the Turkish Air Force
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Turkish Air Force in 2030
270 F-16 Block70
40 Eurofighter
20 KAAN
Dozens of KIZILELMA and ANKA-3
Also S400 and SIPER high altitude and long range Air Defense Systems

330 Fighter Jets with AESA Radar and armed with 160-200 km long range air to air missiles like AIM-120C8 , METEOR , GOKHAN

>>270 F-16 Block70

this part is wrong - a fair number of F16 will have local upgrades and some maybe upgraded to Block 70/V ..

 

[BP2]

Rafale has no stealth design
Rafale has no internal weapon bays
Rafale is carrying Missiles with external hardpoints
Also less Composite materials used in the RAFALE ( %70 )

With all these disadvantages, it is impossible for RAFALE to have a radar signature below 1 m2 RCS

RAFALE is an easy target for stealth Fighter Jets in BVR combat
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You are not a aero engineer, so it's impossible for you to estimate a RCS.

You're wrong about the design : Rafale A was designed without any stealth target. It's not the case of the serially produce one : not a single piece or shape is the same between the A and C. For exemple the sawtooth of the canards or air intakes. For exemple the curved air intakes. For exemple the gold layered canopy.
Rafale A was unstealthy. Rafale C, B, M are low observable and fitted with Spectra, a system reducing the apparent RCS (as seen by GB EF2000 duing a 2008 exercice in Scotland, where they were unable to have a fire solution. At the end the RAF refused to train against Rafale for years).

According to the previous Chief of engineering Dassault Staff, Bruno Revellin Falcoz, Rafale has the RCS of a sparrow from the front. Maybe a turkish sparrow has 1m² of RCS, but not in the west.

The picture you use is a config not used in a first day operation, and a F35 or the future turkish beath star will never carry such a config.

 

[MMM-E]

>>270 F-16 Block70

this part is wrong - a fair number of F16 will have local upgrades and some maybe upgraded to Block 70/V

270 F-16 Block70 with AESA Radar until 2030



-- 40 new F-16V and to modernize 79 existing F-16s to V-Configuration
AN/APG-83 AESA Radar
Integrated Viper Electronic Warfare Suite (IVEWS)
160 km AIM-120C8 BVR Air to Air Missile
AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder WVR Air to Air Missile
AGM-88E Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile
SLAM-ER Cruise Missile

-- 150 existing F-16s to OZGUR-Configuration
MURAD AESA Radar
FEWS Electronic Warfare Suite
200 km GOKHAN Air to Air Missile
BOZDOGAN WVR Air to Air Missile
AKBABA Anti-Radiation Missile
SOM Cruise Missile

119 F-16 Block70 with American Systems and Missiles
150 F-16 Block70 with Turkish Systems and Missiles

 

[BP2]

I think Rafale and Eurofighter are around for 0.1m^2 with semi-recessed air to air missiles.

They are LO and so do still stand a chance against VLO aircraft like F-35, especially if they have latest radars and sensor fusion up to 5th generation standards, with an advantage in supercruise and manoeuvreability.

exactly.
The french didn't, don't, and will never have the USA budget.
During the Rafale studies, there was a choice to be made : the strict stealth by materials and forms or a dicreet geometry with electronic measures to reduce it further.
The latest solution was chosen on two considerations :
1) the stealth by forms feeze the design for the entire life of the bird. And stealthy materials made it bigger (thickness of RAM), so costlier.
2) Electronical components and treatments made a kind of stealthy cap possible.

It's not without reasons that SPECTRA alone used 25% of the whole R&D Rafale efforts !

 

[BP2]

Even without weapons and fuel tanks it is impossible to be 0.1 m2

You are wrong.

 

[BP2]

F-35 armed with 160 km AIM-120D air to air Missile

160km is the max range (alsa called Marketing brochure range), fired from a supersonic jet (F35 is short on > mach 1 ...), in high altitude, and against a 0G target.

 

[BP2]

>>270 F-16 Block70

this part is wrong - a fair number of F16 will have local upgrades and some maybe upgraded to Block 70/V ..

our friend @MMM-E is too euphoric...
Turkey ubers alles !
reality is less sad.

 

[MMM-E]

Rafale A was unstealthy. Rafale C, B, M are low observable and fitted with Spectra, a system reducing the apparent RCS (as seen by GB EF2000 duing a 2008 exercice in Scotland, where they were unable to have a fire solution. At the end the RAF refused to train against Rafale for years).

SPECTRA can not do anything against Boeing E-7T AEWC + HAVASOJ stand off Jammer Aircraft combined


HAVASOJ stand off jammer Aircraft can jam and paralyze RAFALE from 400 km way

And Boeing E-7T AEWC has 600 km AESA Radar which can detect RAFALE from 350 km away

KAAN Fighter Jet will close its AESA Radar and will use E-7T AEWC's 600 km AESA Radar to engage on RAFALE and to guide networked BVR air to air Missiles from safe distance

RAFALE can not detect KAAN even from 50 km away ...
Rafale's would be downed even before pilots can realize what hit them

Deadly combination is coming KAAN , ANKA-4 , E-7T and HAVASOJ






France develops FCAS and unmanned Fighter Jet to match with upcoming future tactical air combat that develops by Countries like USA , Turkiye , China , The UK

Your old RAFALE can not match with these technologies ...

French concept for 2040s FCAS and unmanned Fighter Jet

160km is the max range (alsa called Marketing brochure range), fired from a supersonic jet (F35 is short on > mach 1 ...), in high altitude, and against a 0G target.

No need range of 160 km

RAFALE can not detect the F-35 from 50+ km away
Even 80 km, which is half the range, is enough to hit RAFALE by stealth F-35 in BVR combat

so your RAFALE is old technology to compare with cutting edge Fighter Jets like F-35