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[Mr Iran Eye]

3000 Tons? Honestly, a bit of seriousness ahahahahahah

The stone of the pregnant woman of Baalbek weighs 1,242 tons so do you think the su-35 could carry it? How about 3,000 tons? lolllll

Dr. Mason's humor is really funny!

 

[Kyussis]

3000 Tons? Honestly, a bit of seriousness ahahahahahah

The stone of the pregnant woman of Baalbek weighs 1,242 tons so do you think the su-35 could carry it? How about 3,000 tons? lolllll

Dr. Mason's humor is really funny!

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He probably meant 3000kg!

 

[Hack-Hook]

BT's report of actual order including 12 X SU-30SM/SM (Flanker-H) is true. He said that IRIAF plans to use them as trainers for SU-35S fleet. Now Khayal is repeating the same thing about SU-30SM along with SU-35S. They are dual seaters and their weapon suite matches with SU-35S, they can wear Khibiny ECM and fire R-37. Makes senses as multirole fighters but also trainers.

why , su-35 has a trainer version called su-35ub
you want a trainer for su-35 you use that not su-30sm

 

[Hack-Hook]

If rumors of batches of F-14 pilots being trained in Russia were true and YAK-130 can simulate the missions for SU-35S then yes otherwise would not make any difference for now. Air forces need years for training to finally localize a platform. They then create new plans, and strategies to tackle scenarios.

If it were additional airframes of MIG-29SMT then adaptibility would be quick but MIG29 or any lighter platform itself has no use for Iranian geography.

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If this rumor regarding Su-30/35 ends up being true then the next step would be going after Su-75 local production once it is ready.

Su-35 so last gen
and no a Light to Medium fighter like Mig-35, J-10c or Grippen-E is more suited for our airforce economic might, you don't fly an airplane from Tabriz to intercept enemy in Persian gulf area , you do it to intercept one in Azerbaijan border , you use Hamadan or Ahvaz for Iraq border , Isfahan and base in central Iran most be used for strategic assets not for interceptors for persian gulf and sea of Oman you must use Bandar-Abbas , Bushehr or Chabahar.

its funny saying Iran big we need big airplane to patrol Iran space for god sake use a freaking AWACS for that . just think about economy of using those airplanes for patrolling , unlike certain countries we don't have the luxury of printing Dollars, and have other countries pay for its consequences.

 

[ToddE]

Su-35 so last gen
and no a Light to Medium fighter like Mig-35, J-10c or Grippen-E is more suited for our airforce economic might, you don't fly an airplane from Tabriz to intercept enemy in Persian gulf area , you do it to intercept one in Azerbaijan border , you use Hamadan or Ahvaz for Iraq border , Isfahan and base in central Iran most be used for strategic assets not for interceptors for persian gulf and sea of Oman you must use Bandar-Abbas , Bushehr or Chabahar.

its funny saying Iran big we need big airplane to patrol Iran space for god sake use a freaking AWACS for that . just think about economy of using those airplanes for patrolling , unlike certain countries we don't have the luxury of printing Dollars, and have other countries pay for its consequences.

I have never said Iran should pursue only SU-35S. I am one of the biggest supporter of IRIAF rebuilding around MIG-29SMT, fits like a glove in current Iranian combat aviation eco-system, if leadership was smart they could have filled the Iranian hangers with just airframes of this fighter. Similarly I also think they should never abandon the Kowsar program as a IADS slaved Light CAP fighter. It has all the modern ingredients to morph into a 4+ gen fighter or dare I say a loyal Wingmen A2A UCAV.

Problem is defence of Iran outside the coverage of our IADS. For that we need SU-35S armed with R-37 otherwise enemy can just stay outside Iranian coverage and fire SOWs/ALBM from Iraqi Airspace or from KSA to deplete the SAM batteries, something Iran itself is doing at Israel. Iran needs to put some challenge to that scenario. A Mig29SMT can't reach west of Najaf even if you station them at Omidiyeh, Dezful or Ahvaz and even if it does the problem it will face is the limitation of R-77E, its weak e-warfare suite. For that you need SU-35S with its 65K lbs thrust, armed with R-37 and Khibiny pods. A fully armed FMC/QRA (upgraded) F-14AM armed with 6 x Fakour-90, on datalink with IADS can do same job which is why I am of the opinion that IRIAF should keep these squadrons upgraded and stored somewhere to perform Mig-31BM like job if need comes. They dont have to operate them 24/7.

This is why Defence lines are always layered in sequence:

IADS (OTH, Search/Track PESA AESA, HIMADS/SHORADS, Jammers)
Light CAP (Kowsar, Karrar A2A)
Interceptors (MIG-29SMT)
Heavy Fighters (SU-35S/SU-30SM, F-14AM)

 

[ToddE]

why , su-35 has a trainer version called su-35ub
you want a trainer for su-35 you use that not su-30sm

A single SU-35UB exists for RuAF. I wonder if the Russian Air Force itself uses SU-30SM/SM2 for conversion training to SU-35S. Do not expect a war-entangled sanctioned country to build heavy fighter jet airframes on orders.

 

[ToddE]

If Mig-31 can carry a 4+ tonnes Kinzhal missile then Sukhoi can easily carry a 3+ tonnes missile without structural damage.

Fattah-1/2 barely weight around 3.6 tonnes. Slight modification which IRGC-AF can do in a month, they can put this on SU-35S. An unstoppable weapon.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Fattah-1/2 barely weight around 3.6 tonnes. Slight modification which IRGC-AF can do in a month, they can put this on SU-35S. An unstoppable weapon.

with the resistance it add wonder what the range of aircraft would be . by the way if su-34 can carry fab-3000 why not use those su-35 for the job they meant for and install the modified missile on su-24

 

[Hack-Hook]

I have never said Iran should pursue only SU-35S. I am one of the biggest supporter of IRIAF rebuilding around MIG-29SMT, fits like a glove in current Iranian combat aviation eco-system, if leadership was smart they could have filled the Iranian hangers with just airframes of this fighter. Similarly I also think they should never abandon the Kowsar program as a IADS slaved Light CAP fighter. It has all the modern ingredients to morph into a 4+ gen fighter or dare I say a loyal Wingmen A2A UCAV.

Problem is defence of Iran outside the coverage of our IADS. For that we need SU-35S armed with R-37 otherwise enemy can just stay outside Iranian coverage and fire SOWs/ALBM from Iraqi Airspace or from KSA to deplete the SAM batteries, something Iran itself is doing at Israel. Iran needs to put some challenge to that scenario. A Mig29SMT can't reach west of Najaf even if you station them at Omidiyeh, Dezful or Ahvaz and even if it does the problem it will face is the limitation of R-77E, its weak e-warfare suite. For that you need SU-35S with its 65K lbs thrust, armed with R-37 and Khibiny pods. A fully armed FMC/QRA (upgraded) F-14AM armed with 6 x Fakour-90, on datalink with IADS can do same job which is why I am of the opinion that IRIAF should keep these squadrons upgraded and stored somewhere to perform Mig-31BM like job if need comes. They dont have to operate them 24/7.

This is why Defence lines are always layered in sequence:

IADS (OTH, Search/Track PESA AESA, HIMADS/SHORADS, Jammers)
Light CAP (Kowsar, Karrar A2A)
Interceptors (MIG-29SMT)
Heavy Fighters (SU-35S/SU-30SM, F-14AM)

mig-29smt cant but a mig-35 can well go into Syria and is capable of r-77
j-10c can't go much more than mig-29 smt but its missile can outreach anything mig-35 or 29smt can carry .


the question is why mig-29 smt not newer variant even the smt variant have outdated avionics


by the way the problem here is promoting su-35 because of Iranian terrain , that is nonsense , promoting it because you need an interceptor well its somehow netter but well there are better interceptors than su-35

 

[ThirdFaculty]

Shouldn’t Iran ask Russia for the FAB 1500

 

[ToddE]

mig-29smt cant but a mig-35 can well go into Syria and is capable of r-77
j-10c can't go much more than mig-29 smt but its missile can outreach anything mig-35 or 29smt can carry .


the question is why mig-29 smt not newer variant even the smt variant have outdated avionics


by the way the problem here is promoting su-35 because of Iranian terrain , that is nonsense , promoting it because you need an interceptor well its somehow netter but well there are better interceptors than su-35

MIG-29 airframes exist that can be purchased from storage/operational squadrons and upgraded to SMT/M standard. Russia has an airframe strength of close to 340 and because of its shorter range problem they are losing interest in this design compared to Flankers. MIG-35 will need newer production and we will be caught in another SU-35S like saga where production will be delayed because of Russian Industrial limitations.

See you are again mentioning SU-35S like it is the only fighter Iran will need. If we go by requirements, Iran needs Kowsar for IADS-CAP, MIG-29SMT for point defence, SU-35S for Long range air superiority. They should also bring all the airframes of F-4E/D to Dowran standard. Get SU-24MK upgraded to MK2 standard, upgrade and store F-14AMs. Give the rest to IRGC-AF.

 

[ToddE]

with the resistance it add wonder what the range of aircraft would be . by the way if su-34 can carry fab-3000 why not use those su-35 for the job they meant for and install the modified missile on su-24

Fattah has a ground-launched range of 1500 Km and Fattah-II is 1800 KM I think (not sure??) so plane will not need to cover large distances. Its major advantage as an ALBM will be the fact that enemy air defence will have a very difficult time tracking a lofted apogee hypersonic weapon being launched from who knows where.

 

[BlutUndEhre44]

Much of these new rumored purchases won't mean much, if anything.

Russia does not have enough spare Sukhois to sell to Iran, and its industrial capacity is funnelled into supporting its war in Ukraine. Iran is an afterthought by comparison. If indeed Russia has given license to Iran to produce Flankers, Iran won't be producing them en masse. Iran can barely produce 2-3 cheap F-5 knockoffs a year given the amount of money it gives to proxies and the amount lost to corruption. Its selling oil and gas at a discount because of sanctions. Its limited in what it can buy because the West will torpedo any deal by threatening sellers. In fact, I'm convinced if the rumors are true, the West has decided not to do so because it would be meaningless given the Israeli attack which will likely decimate Iran's military and render its airforce and missiles nonexistent.

Aircraft manufacturing plants take time to build and Iran could at most churn out 1-2 of these advanced jets a year at this rate, perhaps 4-5 while maintaining funding for everything else if proxies are given a back seat. For full scale production that would be enough to create a meaningful air force, Iran would need to recalibrate or even completely replace its entire military doctrine, focusing on conventional defense and defense of the homeland instead of "offense as defense" via these weak proxies.

Russia will likely be selling Iran the parts to build these planes, and Iran would still be dependent on other countries for chips and other parts, and all of this takes time. I guarantee you the moment an aircraft plant is built- and it cannot be built underground- it will be targeted by Israel or the U.S.

Hence, they didn't bother shooting down this deal with Russia. Because none of this matters.

With what I think will happen, the Islamic Republic will likely fall within the next year and Reza Pahlavi will cancel all of these deals with Russia and China, opting to buy Eurofighters, F-15s and F-16s.

 

[Piet]

If Mig-31 can carry a 4+ tonnes Kinzhal missile then Sukhoi can easily carry a 3+ tonnes missile without structural damage.

Regarding Fattah-2, a nice image & explanatory notes at: -

And in the same post it submits that ...

"The range of the missile has been reported as 1500 to 1800 kilometers by some news agencies, but it is unlikely that the range will be significantly different from that of the Fattah-1 missile, and a range of less than 1400 kilometers does not seem reasonable for Iran’s operational needs."

Enjoy

Piet

 

[muhammed45]

Regarding Fattah-2, a nice image & explanatory notes at: -

And in the same post it submits that ...

"The range of the missile has been reported as 1500 to 1800 kilometers by some news agencies, but it is unlikely that the range will be significantly different from that of the Fattah-1 missile, and a range of less than 1400 kilometers does not seem reasonable for Iran’s operational needs."

Enjoy

Piet

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Iran never unveils true range of its missiles. The technology transfer to Yemenis indicates that Yemen's hypersonic BM called Palestine-2 HGV has a range of almost 2,200 Km. So i don't believe that announced range was actual. The reason is political and also a preemptive act to stop any abuse or sabotage by CIA or Mossad terrorists.

Fattah-2 is a combination of HGV and HCM technologies.

Both of Fattah-1&2 can be fitted on a suitable fighter jet. Like the case with Kinzhal, they can install Fattah in the middle of underside of the fighter jet to avoid any dangerous change in fighter jet's CG.