Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

vmro said:
Not only Sweden, and this is not everything.
Is it cheap to Iran activate mass-produced air defense system they already have? They were good, very good, and can Iran precedent concept in this branch of military, every quantity has iwn quality...most alternative and unique way to achieve top air military position of Iran, and with military allies in the region...

Force to reckon and easy to afford...

This nothing sci fi, but it is important price, for example, is Bavar-373 expensive to produce .
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Any IADS, anywhere in the world can only delay the enemy attack but it can never sustain for too long with modern attack weaponry making strides. You now have kamikaze drones, SOWs, hypersonic missiles with lofted trajectories performing skips and glides, maneuvering inside and outside the atmosphere. Even if IADS defends itself in the initial wave of enemy attack, the cost of interception becomes very high. Some Israeli retired General himself said that April's IRGC strike on Israel cost them 1 Billion USD+ ! Imagine if enemy decides to send another such package? Hezbollah fires rockets at them daily only to deplete the Air defense stocks. Its tactics. I for one believe that the October strike of IRGC was so successful because Israelis just did not want to loose their replenished stocks of interceptors.

Saying that Iranian leadership was foolish that it never extended the IADS into Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon during peacetime. They could have easily put mobile HIMAD/SHORAD batteries there and connected them with radar network starting from OTHs in Iran for initial search/detection while tracking can be done in real time by mobile units. In 3-4 years they could have trained these militaries. Instead they relied upon entrenchment tactics. They kept on sending ground forces which worked yes because, despite the aerial bombing in Syria, IRGC's ground control has just increased and increased in size, but such tactics allowed the enemy to dominate the airspace. This is happening in Lebanon now. You prepare for war during peacetime. Offcourse militaries learn from mistakes.
 
Hi,

Foxnews will not show this strike on israel.

The panic in israeli civilian population is real---.

Exodus out of israel is at full speed + 10.
 
Persian Gulf said:
yes

unclear but probably not

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I disagree.

Since the beginning of the missile industry in Iran, we had continuous attacks by Iraq, and then we saw the threats of America and Israel every year.

I don't think something important is on the ground.
 
Persian Gulf said:
Israel claims they used 100 fighter jets

you think they used 100 fighter jets to fire 4 ALBMs?
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Being a little more critical, we do not know if it was really 100 fighters or 100 aircraft (it could involve several other aircraft with different functions).
 
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Israeli attack was extremely precise
 
Emirzad said:
.You prepare for war during peacetime

Saying that Iranian leadership was foolish that it never extended the IADS into Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon during peacetime. They could have easily put mobile HIMAD/SHORAD batteries there and connected them with radar network starting from OTHs in Iran for initial search/detection while tracking can be done in real time by mobile units. In 3-4 years they could have trained these militaries. Instead they relied upon entrenchment tactics. They kept on sending ground forces which worked yes because, despite the aerial bombing in Syria, IRGC's ground control has just increased and increased in size, but such tactics allowed the enemy to dominate the airspace. This is happening in Lebanon now. You prepare for war during peacetime. Offcourse militaries learn from mistakes.
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Hi,

It is very difficult to change the mindset of 'Old Guard'.

If Iran had established its mobile batteries in the areas you mentioned and kept on a high number of strikes on enemy assets---results would be different today---.
 
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This is becoming unsustainable for both sides. The exchange of fire could get out of control and reach a point of no return.
 
Ali_Baba said:
China is not really a good ally interms of coming to your aid when you need it, as does Russia so far. Look how quickly Russia delivered new systems to Iran in this recent flairup. China will never do that. China only wants money from you - and that in dollars!!
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China has been an excellent ally to Pakistan but that is getting off topic so I will not belabor the point.
 
Nuffle said:
SLBMs and a fleet of submarines that can launch them, even if they are conventional, are still the most expensive and difficult part of a nuclear triad. For Iran, which has its biggest enemies close by, the use of BMs - MRBM/IRBM/ICBM - is the most practical and easy way to implement. In addition, Iran's geography also becomes an ally factor in creating a nuclear system based on road vehicles for BM launches.
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I still think Iranian sub fleet in the Mediterranean would be worth it.

It would force Israel to defend on two fronts and also give pause to Europeans on helping Israel or attacking Iran if Iran can target them directly in return.
 
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