Green light for Eurofighter from Germany for the Turkish Air Force

@LeGenD : No one says that BAe is better than US companies like Northrop Grumman
but that they are on a similar level.

It is like how Rolls Royce is able to match GE and P&W in engine technology.

The point is that since BAe had massive input into the development of the EW system for F-35 then it stands to reason it can use this base to make an even better system for the next tranche Typhoon as they claim they are doing.

Why are you arguing this when facts and logic suggest that BAe is telling the truth here?

Yes the F-35 will eventually get either a comparable or maybe better upgrade but the fact is that by the late 2020s, the Typhoon will have the best radar(Leonrado's 3rd AESA fighter radar) and EW system out of any western fighter jet.
BAE does not develop Eurofighter but Leonardo. BAE never claimed that Eurofighter will be equipped with technology developed for F-35. What is the point to buying F-35 if other aircraft can have its technology? This is not how it works.
 
Nobody cares about input
We are talking about technology and its British technology on American Fighter Jets F-15EX , F-22 , F-35

accept the reality
You make it sound trivial but BAE having a manufacturing plant in Texas and developing EW systems for American jet fighters with American input is the reality deep down. Marketing statements are aimed to promote a company and its products, not tell you behind-the-scenes reality.
 
BAE does not develop Eurofighter but Leonardo. BAE never claimed that Eurofighter will be equipped with technology developed for F-35. What is the point to buying F-35 if other aircraft can have its technology? This is not how it works.


Again you are not listening to the fundamental argument.

US does not own the F-35 EW technology but it is BAe. Yes there are specific US inputs but that is a sole customer requirement in order for BAe to get the contract.

BAe has the knowledge and so this is now UK knowledge. That knowledge will be shared with Leonardo who is involved in building the "Praetorian Evolution" EW suite it seems for UK Typhoon but I may be wrong here.

In essence whether Leonardo builds the EW suite or BAe is irrelevant. All that matters is that UK pretty much built the F-35 EW system and will use this as a base to build an even better one for Typhoon.

Think of it this way. You ask a software engineer to build you a program to control a radio control car. He is not allowed to use this program even as a template to develop a better program for another type of radio control car. However he has gained this valuable knowledge and so can use this knowledge to build an even more sophisicated program for another radio control car.
 
You make it sound trivial but BAE having a manufacturing plant in Texas and developing EW systems for American jet fighters with American input is the reality deep down. Nobody care about marketing statements.

It doesn't matter where the product is manufactured, what matters is who owns the technology

and its a British technology from the BAE Systems


for example
The world's giant brands have their manufacturing plants in China, but this does not mean that they have Chinese technology.


I respect British technologies ...
and The UK doesnt use American EW System on the TEMPEST Project

but USA is using British technology EW Suites on the F-15EX , F-22 and F-35

This is the reality .... TOPIC IS OVER
 
That time frame should be used to build nukes and ICBMs.
Dont expect an official statement on this matter. Of course, the necessary work is being done according to the situation in Iran and Saudi Arabia.
 
Again you are not listening to the fundamental argument.

US does not own the F-35 EW technology but it is BAe. Yes there are specific US inputs but that is a sole customer requirement in order for BAe to get the contract.

BAe has the knowledge and so this is now UK knowledge. That knowledge will be shared with Leonardo who is involved in building the "Praetorian Evolution" EW suite it seems for UK Typhoon but I may be wrong here.

In essence whether Leonardo builds the EW suite or BAe is irrelevant. All that matters is that UK pretty much built the F-35 EW system and will use this as a base to build an even better one for Typhoon.

Think of it this way. You ask a software engineer to build you a program to control a radio control car. He is not allowed to use this program even as a template to develop a better program for another type of radio control car. However he has gained this valuable knowledge and so can use this knowledge to build an even more sophisicated program for another radio control car.

I fully understand your POV. I fully understand that the UK can develop very high quality machines and systems. But the issue is lack of funds.

I am shedding light on lesser known facts. WE don't know that BAE can develop a world class EW suite [on its own] without American input. BAE's claim of being the world leader in development of EW systems warrants independent scrutiny.

L3 Harris is an American company and locally provides EW system(s) for multiple aircraft including F-16V, B-1B, B-52, F/A-18, EA-18G, and EA-37B. L3 Harris has developed most effective and powerful EW systems for aircraft in the world as per various sources.

Currently, NATO’s air forces are heavily dependent on US Air Force (USAF) and US Navy (USN) aircraft to provide both stand-off and stand-in jamming against a high-end threat like Russia, although several other countries’ fighter fleets have impressive ECM capabilities already for close-range self-defence. NATO’s primary stand-off jamming capability is provided by USN EA-18G Growler aircraft and the USAF EC-130H Compass Call, which is now being replaced by the new EA-37B. SEAD support is also provided by the Tornado electronic combat/reconnaissance (ECR) aircraft of the Italian Air Force and German Air Force, as well as the F-16CM ‘Wild Weasels’ of the USAF’s 480th Fighter Squadron in Germany. However, in terms of EA systems, these Cold War-era aircraft only carry self-protection jamming equipment that is increasingly obsolescent against the more modern Russian threats if used without cover from the more powerful US stand-off systems like the EA-18G and EA-37B. The Tornado ECRs are also only available in small numbers, and the majority of the USAF F-16CM fleet is based in South Korea and Japan. It is notable that in almost any high-end NATO SEAD/DEAD exercise, USN EA-18Gs perform the majority of the EA support, since they offer by far the greatest capability in their class.
Link

The F-35 is an American military project at its core - the F-35 is a Lockheed Martin product. But the US wanted to sell F-35 and allowed some countries to develop its components to help reduce development costs because a true 5th generation fighter was very costly to develop locally. Who provides blueprints and small parts for development of its components in other countries? Lockheed Martin.

American microprocessors are in use in development of AN/ASQ-239 EW suite in fact.

Most countries that have bought F-35s also lack the capacity or rights to modify or create their own mission data sets, and instead rely on the US for their mission data and threat library updates.
Link

The UK cannot afford ECRS MK2 radar system in large numbers:

Potent ECM capabilities are also a core feature of the new ECRS Mk2 AESA radar, which is being procured to eventually be retrofitted onto the 40 Tranche 3 aircraft in the RAF Typhoon fleet. However, SPEAR EW has not actually been ordered so far, and the ECRS Mk2 has been developed very slowly compared to AESA radar development programmes for comparable fighters. On current timeframes, RAF Typhoons with the new radar are unlikely to be in service on the frontlines before the late 2020s. The threat outlook in Europe, therefore, would seem to suggest that allocating increased funding and priority to whichever of these existing programmes can offer the most rapid path to procurement and introduction to service is something that should be seriously considered. Given the lack of funding so far for ECRS Mk2 radar sets for the remaining 77 RAF Tranche 2 Typhoons, urgent updates to the capability of their existing ESM and Defensive Aid Sub-System (DASS) suites should also be examined – especially if novel software techniques could improve capability faster than hardware upgrades planned but not yet funded within the Typhoon LTE construct.
Link

I have pointed out before that ECRS MK2 is not a ground breaking development - ECRS MK2 has capabilities that are already found in radar system(s) of American jet fighters. The UK is catching up as highlighted in orange above.

Who will pay for replacement of the EuroDASS / Pratorian EW suite with the AN/ASQ-239 EW suite or a derivative of it for Eurofighter? This is not a minor consideration but will require airframe modifications and a revisit to avionics architecture of the Eurofighter.

Germany has ordered the development of 15 ‘Eurofighter EK’ aircraft from existing airframes, designed to replace its ageing Tornado ECRs in the SEAD role. The EK will use an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar developed by Hensoldt; the Aeraxis EW sensor suit from Saab; and AI-enabled software and mission data by Helsing. However, it will not be certified as combat ready until 2030, and that timeline assumes that the programme faces no delays.
Link

Cutting edge technology has massive R&D costs and Eurofighter will become very costly consequently if equipped with F-35 technology. The UK can either focus on Tempest or transform Eurofighter as per your expectations - it cannot have both.

BAE does not develop Eurofighter but Leonardo. BAE might provide useful inputs but this does not suggest a profound transformation on the level of F-35. Even if BAE has learned much from the US, it cannot transform Eurofighter without funding and American nod. Eurofighter modernization had been slow in comparison to American jet fighters.

The US is a superpower. The US has massive R&D base and funds. The US has made it possible for BAE to expand its manufacturing base and develop cutting edge systems. The US tells BAE what to do. The US provides blueprints to BAE deep down.

But BAE is not the only big dog out there. L3 Harris and Northrop Grunman say hello and laugh at all.
 
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We have seen your USA in Drone technology ...
USA is not sole Country in the world with advanced military technologies

Turkish AKINCI UCAV is far superior to American MQ-9 UCAV

Turkish KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet is far superior to tiny American XQ-58

MURAD AESA Radar will allow the KIZILELMA to fire 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air Missiles which will be carried in internal weapon bays for stealth flight capability
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Also TAI develops ANKA-4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
networked environment to deliver full data-to-decision (D2D) capability together with the KAAN Fighter Jet for 6th gen war concept

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USA blocked sale of UCAV to Turkiye
and Turkiye was become drone super power in the world ...
now Turkiye has moved ahead of global powers such as the United States and China in this critical area

Turkey has shown much talent in developing drones - all can see it. I acknowledge and appreciate it.

But Turkish drones have struggled in Ukraine. Many were jammed and shot down. This is not my claim but as per many sources and there is visual evidence of wreckage.


Russian EW systems created numerous problems for Ukrainian forces and reduced their impact. Ukraine has turned to British and domestic drones to attack Russian positions and infrastructure in large part as it has learned from first hand exposure to Russian tactics and technology.

Turkey can develop impressive machines but it does not have experience and exposure on the level of the US and even Ukraine in war. So how can it develop better systems? With magic? Turkey also benefits from American and European technical input and technology. This is an open secret.

Let's have a look at drones in question.

AKINCI


Vs.

MQ-9 series






https://www.flightglobal.com/milita...aunching-small-uavs-from-mq-9a/156794.article

The US can transform MQ-9 into a formidable drone with the right payload if necessary. MQ-9 also have network-centric capabilities to perform a complex operation that is not possible with a single drone.

AKINCI has Murad AESA radar. Raytheon has developed PhantomStrike AESA radar that be used in drones. MQ-9 is equipped with Lynx radar but the US can replace it with PhantomStrike radar to significantly expand its air-to-air attack capability if necessary. MQ-9 can be equipped with two different radar systems in fact. MQ-9 also has higher service ceiling, operational altitude capacity, and endurance than AKINCI. Both have comparable payload capacity.

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KIZILELMA


Vs.

AVENGER


AVENGER is literally better in every metric.

RQ-170

The US have used RQ-170 in high threat environments around the world to collect valuable information and support complex operations. One unit was lost in Iran but the US has improved and used RQ-170 in Ukraine to help Ukrainian forces attack Russian positions without any loss.


RQ-180

This is the largest, most advanced, and stealthy drone in existence. RQ-180 missions are absolutely classified but the US have used it to collect information in high threat environments around the world to collect valuable information and more.


The US has developed and tested many stealthy drones including P-175B, X-47B, and XRQ-73.

The US is also developing and testing Loyal Wingman prototypes.



There might be other designs or black articles. I don't know which design will be accepted for mass production but the US will field something very capable in time.


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ANKA-4

Turkey has not developed ANKA-4 but you are hyping it already.

Vs.

NGAD

The US is developing and testing NGAD family of systems. RQ-180 is but one of the NGAD black articles in use.

Turkish products can be admired in general but you go too far in your hype train. The US is far ahead of Turkey in all things.
 
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I fully understand your POV. I fully understand that the UK can develop very high quality machines and systems. But the issue is lack of funds.

I am shedding light on lesser known facts. WE don't know that BAE can develop a world class EW suite [on its own] without American input. BAE's claim of being the world leader in development of EW systems warrants independent scrutiny.

L3 Harris is an American company and locally provides EW system(s) for multiple aircraft including F-16V, B-1B, B-52, F/A-18, EA-18G, and EA-37B. L3 Harris has developed most effective and powerful EW systems for aircraft in the world as per various sources.

Currently, NATO’s air forces are heavily dependent on US Air Force (USAF) and US Navy (USN) aircraft to provide both stand-off and stand-in jamming against a high-end threat like Russia, although several other countries’ fighter fleets have impressive ECM capabilities already for close-range self-defence. NATO’s primary stand-off jamming capability is provided by USN EA-18G Growler aircraft and the USAF EC-130H Compass Call, which is now being replaced by the new EA-37B. SEAD support is also provided by the Tornado electronic combat/reconnaissance (ECR) aircraft of the Italian Air Force and German Air Force, as well as the F-16CM ‘Wild Weasels’ of the USAF’s 480th Fighter Squadron in Germany. However, in terms of EA systems, these Cold War-era aircraft only carry self-protection jamming equipment that is increasingly obsolescent against the more modern Russian threats if used without cover from the more powerful US stand-off systems like the EA-18G and EA-37B. The Tornado ECRs are also only available in small numbers, and the majority of the USAF F-16CM fleet is based in South Korea and Japan. It is notable that in almost any high-end NATO SEAD/DEAD exercise, USN EA-18Gs perform the majority of the EA support, since they offer by far the greatest capability in their class.
Link

The F-35 is an American military project at its core - the F-35 is a Lockheed Martin product. But the US wanted to sell F-35 and allowed some countries to develop its components to help reduce development costs because a true 5th generation fighter was very costly to develop locally. Who provides blueprints and small parts for development of its components in other countries? Lockheed Martin.

American microprocessors are in use in development of AN/ASQ-239 EW suite in fact.

Most countries that have bought F-35s also lack the capacity or rights to modify or create their own mission data sets, and instead rely on the US for their mission data and threat library updates.
Link

The UK cannot afford ECRS MK2 radar system in large numbers:

Potent ECM capabilities are also a core feature of the new ECRS Mk2 AESA radar, which is being procured to eventually be retrofitted onto the 40 Tranche 3 aircraft in the RAF Typhoon fleet. However, SPEAR EW has not actually been ordered so far, and the ECRS Mk2 has been developed very slowly compared to AESA radar development programmes for comparable fighters. On current timeframes, RAF Typhoons with the new radar are unlikely to be in service on the frontlines before the late 2020s. The threat outlook in Europe, therefore, would seem to suggest that allocating increased funding and priority to whichever of these existing programmes can offer the most rapid path to procurement and introduction to service is something that should be seriously considered. Given the lack of funding so far for ECRS Mk2 radar sets for the remaining 77 RAF Tranche 2 Typhoons, urgent updates to the capability of their existing ESM and Defensive Aid Sub-System (DASS) suites should also be examined – especially if novel software techniques could improve capability faster than hardware upgrades planned but not yet funded within the Typhoon LTE construct.
Link

I have pointed out before that ECRS MK2 is not a ground breaking development - ECRS MK2 has capabilities that are already found in radar system(s) of American jet fighters. The UK is catching up as highlighted in orange above.

Who will pay for replacement of the EuroDASS / Pratorian EW suite with the AN/ASQ-239 EW suite or a derivative of it for Eurofighter? This is not a minor consideration but will require airframe modifications and a revisit to avionics architecture of the Eurofighter.

Germany has ordered the development of 15 ‘Eurofighter EK’ aircraft from existing airframes, designed to replace its ageing Tornado ECRs in the SEAD role. The EK will use an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar developed by Hensoldt; the Aeraxis EW sensor suit from Saab; and AI-enabled software and mission data by Helsing. However, it will not be certified as combat ready until 2030, and that timeline assumes that the programme faces no delays.
Link

Cutting edge technology has massive R&D costs and Eurofighter will become very costly consequently if equipped with F-35 technology. The UK can either focus on Tempest or transform Eurofighter as per your expectations - it cannot have both.

BAE does not develop Eurofighter but Leonardo. BAE might provide useful inputs but this does not suggest a profound transformation on the level of F-35. Even if BAE has learned much from the US, it cannot transform Eurofighter without funding and American nod. Eurofighter modernization had been slow in comparison to American jet fighters.

The US is a superpower. The US has massive R&D base and funds. The US has made it possible for BAE to expand its manufacturing base and develop cutting edge systems. The US tells BAE what to do. The US provides blueprints to BAE deep down.

But BAE is not the only big dog out there. L3 Harris and Northrop Grunman say hello and laugh at all.


You forget this EW upgrade will be paid for by 4 nations who will have access to the technology - UK, Germany, Spain and Italy.
 
Turkey can develop impressive machines but it does not have experience and exposure on the level of the US and even Ukraine in war. So how can it develop better systems? With magic? Turkey also benefits from American and European technical input and technology. This is an open secret.

Except Turkish Drones nothing could flight in war zone in Ukraine

send MQ-9 UCAVs to Ukraine and see what will happen with American technology

zero real war success and experience


on the other hand
Turkish technology UCAVs destroyed over 1.000 military equpment in Syria , Libya , Karabakh and Ukraine including dozens of PANTSIR , BUK , TOR and S300 Air Defense Systems

and TB-2 UCAVs used only 8 km MAM-L laser guided munition in Ukraine


Now Turkish UCAVs armed with long range missiles and guided munitions such as MAM-T IIR , ALPAGUT , TOLUN-IIR , CAKIR , IHA-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , SOM , KEMANKES , SUPER SIMSEK with range of 50 , 60 , 80 , 150 , 185 , 250 , 280 , 700 km to destroy all Russian military equipment from safe distance and Russia can not stop this great fire fire


Turkish AKINCI UCAV with AESA Radar and superior far fire

American MQ-9 only can dream about these technology and fire power
 
AKINCI has Murad AESA radar. Raytheon has developed PhantomStrike AESA radar that be used in drones. MQ-9 is equipped with Lynx radar but the US can replace it with PhantomStrike radar to significantly expand its air-to-air attack capability if necessary. MQ-9 can be equipped with two different radar systems in fact. MQ-9 also has higher service ceiling, operational altitude capacity, endurance, and payload capacity than AKINCI.

Nahhhh
American MQ-9 is a toy to compare with Turkish AKINCI in technology and fire power


American MQ-9 has nothing except LYNX-II SAR Radar
and 12 km HELLFIRE Missisle , 22 km PAVEWAY IV laser guided Bomb

So easy target for Air Defense Systems like even 30-50 km BUK , TOR , AKASH-NG


Turkish AKINCI UCAV has MURAD gan based AESA Radar
and armed with MAM-T IIR , ALPAGUT , TOLUN-IIR , CAKIR , IHA-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , SOM , KEMANKES , SUPER SIMSEK with range of 50 , 60 , 80 , 150 , 185 , 250 , 280 , 700 km to destroy all military equipment from safe distance

also 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air Missile


MQ-9 only can dream about these technologies
-- AESA Radar
-- Electronic Data Gathering ( ELINT / COMINT )
-- 6 multi-core Artificial Intelligence Computers

AKINCI UCAV collect information by recording the data received from sensors and cameras on the UCAV through artificial intelligence computers

This artificial intelligence system that can detect the angle of tilting, standing and heading of the UCAV without the need for any external sensor or GPS

provide environmental awareness using geographic information and advanced artificial intelligence system will have decision making feature by processing the data it obtains



India buys inferior MQ-9 and Pakistan buys superior AKINCI

Indian MQ-9 will carry only 12-22 km missile - guided bomb

Pakistani AKINCI will carry superior weapons with range of 50 , 60 , 80 , 150 , 185 , 250 , 280 , 700 km to hit everything even Air Defense Systems and Warships


Azerbaijani AKINCI UCAVs will fire 150 km IHA-230 supersonic Missile and 280 km SOM Cruise Missile
 
Except Turkish Drones nothing could flight in war zone in Ukraine

send MQ-9 UCAVs to Ukraine and see what will happen with American technology

zero real war success and experience


on the other hand
Turkish technology UCAVs destroyed over 1.000 military equpment in Syria , Libya , Karabakh and Ukraine including dozens of PANTSIR , BUK , TOR and S300 Air Defense Systems

and TB-2 UCAVs used only 8 km MAM-L laser guided munition in Ukraine


Now Turkish UCAVs armed with long range missiles and guided munitions such as MAM-T IIR , ALPAGUT , TOLUN-IIR , CAKIR , IHA-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , SOM , KEMANKES , SUPER SIMSEK with range of 50 , 60 , 80 , 150 , 185 , 250 , 280 , 700 km to destroy all Russian military equipment from safe distance and Russia can not stop this great fire fire


Turkish AKINCI UCAV with AESA Radar and superior far fire

American MQ-9 only can dream about these technology and fire power
Absolutely false and ridiculous claim. The US has used RQ-170 types in Ukraine to support Ukrainian forces without a single loss. This says it all.

Ukraine has used a large variety of drones in war. TB2 worked in 2022 when Russian forces had not deployed EW systems in force and were facing setbacks in general. But the situation changed in 2023 when Russian forces created defenses in eastern areas and deployed EW systems in the process. Ukraine has lost a total of 24 TB2 in war.

You hype low intensity conflicts such as in Syria, Libya, and Karabakh. None of these conflicts hold a candle to war in Ukraine in complexity and intensity.

I have posted links to support my statements but you ignore them because you do not want to accept facts. Your denials do not change reality.

You are welcome to test your mighty drones in Ukraine further but you don't have the guts. You can talk big in forums.
 
Nahhhh
American MQ-9 is a toy to compare with Turkish AKINCI in technology and fire power


American MQ-9 has nothing except LYNX-II SAR Radar
and 12 km HELLFIRE Missisle , 22 km PAVEWAY IV laser guided Bomb

So easy target for Air Defense Systems like even 30-50 km BUK , TOR , AKASH-NG


Turkish AKINCI UCAV has MURAD gan based AESA Radar
and armed with MAM-T IIR , ALPAGUT , TOLUN-IIR , CAKIR , IHA-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , SOM , KEMANKES , SUPER SIMSEK with range of 50 , 60 , 80 , 150 , 185 , 250 , 280 , 700 km to destroy all military equipment from safe distance

also 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air Missile


MQ-9 only can dream about these technologies
-- AESA Radar
-- Electronic Data Gathering ( ELINT / COMINT )
-- 6 multi-core Artificial Intelligence Computers

AKINCI UCAV collect information by recording the data received from sensors and cameras on the UCAV through artificial intelligence computers

This artificial intelligence system that can detect the angle of tilting, standing and heading of the UCAV without the need for any external sensor or GPS

provide environmental awareness using geographic information and advanced artificial intelligence system will have decision making feature by processing the data it obtains



India buys inferior MQ-9 and Pakistan buys superior AKINCI

Indian MQ-9 will carry only 12-22 km missile - guided bomb

Pakistani AKINCI will carry superior weapons with range of 50 , 60 , 80 , 150 , 185 , 250 , 280 , 700 km to hit everything even Air Defense Systems and Warships


Azerbaijani AKINCI UCAVs will fire 150 km IHA-230 supersonic Missile and 280 km SOM Cruise Missile
What is the reason why the US doesnt equip the MQ-9 with long-range missiles? They could do the best if they wanted to, but they don't.

I think the US keeps a lot of technology to itself and doesnt disclose it.
 

So funny
AVANGER is a toy to compare with the KIZILELMA

AVANGER has LYNX SAR radar
KIZILELMA has superior MURAD GaN based AESA Radar

AVANGER lack air to air combat capability
KIZILELMA is coming with air to air combat capability
and to carry 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air Missiles for BVR combat

AVANGER armed with inferior fire power only 12 km HELFIRE Misssile
KIZILELMA armed with superior fire power 150 km CAKIR , 185 km KUZGUN-TJ even 280 km SOM Cruise Missile

AVANGER lack IRST ( LEGION IRST POD will destroy stealth capability )
KIZILELMA has EOTS and IRTS also 360 degree Situational awareness sensors like F-35
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AVANGER has low power turbofan Engine without after burner
KIZILELMA has 2 x stroger turbofan engine with afterburner to take off from TCG ANADOLU light Aircraft Carrier
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AVANGER lack super maneuver capability
KIZILELMA has super maneuver capability with afterburner and active CANARD routers like J-20 Fighter Jet
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Now KIZILELMA is unique in the world
 
What is the reason why the US doesnt equip the MQ-9 with long-range missiles? They could do the best if they wanted to, but they don't.

What the best ?

USA doesnt have superosnic Missile like Turkish IHA-122 and IHA-230 with range of 80-150 km and with speed of mach 3 to equip the MQ-9
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AKINCI UCAV can carry dozens of Weapons from 12 km to 700 km including 870 kg NEB penetrator Bomb
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MQ-9 can not carry heavy weapons and Cruise Missile under body
 
Absolutely false and ridiculous claim. The US has used RQ-170 types in Ukraine to support Ukrainian forces without a single loss. This says it all.

Not even close
RQ-170 destroyed nothing ... show me even a video

I can show you dozens of videos about the TB-2 UCAV which destroyed hundreds of Russian military equipment including BUK and TOR Air Defense Systems


btw TB-2 is different class UCAV to compare with stealth RQ-170
send MQ-9 to Ukraine and see what will happen

We can compare American RQ-170 with Turkish ANKA-3
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