Bilal
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Hence, SMASh and not HypMASh.
Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion
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JamD
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Also this is most definitely a maximum range shot.
Awwad
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PN has supersonic CMs as well (CM-302).
This one P282/SMash was going to be a ballistic missile, it was known for long time. (Lots of discussions in various threads in this forum already)
The ASBM (anti-ship ballistic missile) definitely has speed advantage. I think its speed should be around mach 5. (More than supersonic CMs). Secondly, most ship's radars, sensors & CIWS are traditionally designed to counter sea-skimming missiles, this unique angle( top down) strike option can add a unique challenge in addition to more kinetic energy of the missile. Even if it's intercepted, the debris will definitely rain down on the ship.
I thinks its good to have both types in the arsenal. A mix fleet of Tughrils, Zulfiqars / Baburs will have both the supersonic CMs and ASBMs. Formidable anti-ship capability.
Falcon26
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Great!
More pencil shaped ballistic missile from Pakistan.
How come Pakistan never innovates on its BM design? They are all shaped like pencils like the Iranian missiles which trace their ancestry to the Scuds.
For India, and other countries with advanced rocket technology, you see varying designs. For example, the Agni series are markedly different in appearance to the Prithvi etc. same with china, Israel & even North Korea.
Bilal
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same difference, he wants it pointy you want it not to be pencil like. Lol.
Falcon26
Trusted Member
Same pencil shaped.
falcon34
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Dumbo that shape is suitable for high maneuvering missiles.
Liquidator
Trusted Member
It's got a bellend. Look closely in awe.
Oscar
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Just as a question - what is the purpose of the shape of the rocket’s front end?
Tremain
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Just for you, we will try making a hypersonic donut.
Falcon26
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Just looking the number of Iranian missiles being knocked out of the sky makes me worry for Pakistan given the common ancestry between their missiles.
Not a missile design expert, just a layman observation.
JamD
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Here's something fun. The point is to give some ballpark numbers for discussions on this forum to avoid hawai batain that often go on and NOT to be some kind of definitive statement of facts or ANYTHING LIKE THAT. JUST FUN OK?
I have some code that simulates a BM flight. It includes atmospheric effects. I can add maneuvers. It models variable mass through a simplified rocket model based on exhaust velocity. Take this with a huge huge grain of salt. I assumed a bunch of numbers that I thought would be close to Fatah-II or SMASH size missile like ballistic coefficients, exhaust velocities, fuel fraction, mass, burn time etc. I assumed purely ballistic flight - no maneuvers. I varied the launch angle to see the trend in range, impact speed/Mach, and apogee:
At a range of 349 km I got impact Mach 1.27 and apogee of 37.8 km. This is that run:
The trajectory is very depressed - only reaching an apogee of 37.8 km as I already said.
I don't know how accurate my simulation is considering that that max Mach is 12.2 @ 20.2 km altitude. This seems quite high to me. But it might be close to accurate and I just don't know how these trajectories are. The thing to note is that even with a max speed of 12.2 Mach, the impact speed is only 1.3.
time is almost 3 and a half minutes.
EDIT: ASSUMING MY NUMBERS ARE IN THE BALLPARK, the thing that I find interesting is the depressed trajectory that is sacrificing range and impact speed. I would conjecture this is done to avoid detection even though kinetically the missile is capable of more. That is my hypothetical missile JamD-2-SMASH, to achieve a range of 450 km it would have to go to an apogee of 112 km. This is what that trajectory looks like:
I have some code that simulates a BM flight. It includes atmospheric effects. I can add maneuvers. It models variable mass through a simplified rocket model based on exhaust velocity. Take this with a huge huge grain of salt. I assumed a bunch of numbers that I thought would be close to Fatah-II or SMASH size missile like ballistic coefficients, exhaust velocities, fuel fraction, mass, burn time etc. I assumed purely ballistic flight - no maneuvers. I varied the launch angle to see the trend in range, impact speed/Mach, and apogee:
At a range of 349 km I got impact Mach 1.27 and apogee of 37.8 km. This is that run:
The trajectory is very depressed - only reaching an apogee of 37.8 km as I already said.
I don't know how accurate my simulation is considering that that max Mach is 12.2 @ 20.2 km altitude. This seems quite high to me. But it might be close to accurate and I just don't know how these trajectories are. The thing to note is that even with a max speed of 12.2 Mach, the impact speed is only 1.3.
time is almost 3 and a half minutes.
EDIT: ASSUMING MY NUMBERS ARE IN THE BALLPARK, the thing that I find interesting is the depressed trajectory that is sacrificing range and impact speed. I would conjecture this is done to avoid detection even though kinetically the missile is capable of more. That is my hypothetical missile JamD-2-SMASH, to achieve a range of 450 km it would have to go to an apogee of 112 km. This is what that trajectory looks like:
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Zarvan
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Dude, if you are comparing Indian Air Defense with Israeli and think they match both in quality and quantity, then you seriously need to learn a lot.
Sparten
Registered Member
Nuclear is a bit different though, Lots more decoys, pen aide and most importantly MIRV. Not to mention All our latest missile variants seem to have a Post Boost Vehicle.
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