Azerbaijan Air Force Becomes Fourth Operator of JF-17 Fighter Aircraft, President Aliyev Confirms

[Oscar]

It’s a front. They have their excuse to “destroy the entity”, all they accomplished so far in their missile attacks was killing a Palestinian in Jordan.

Khomenei might have been a real Muslim with right intentions. Most Persians are absolutely not. I think Khomeini even said that “first you have to say you are Muslim rather than Iranian”, is that something most Persians follow? Absolutely not. Most of them wish Sassanids had defeated Rashidub Caliphate. This is the reality.

Let’s return to the topic - which is this procurement. Issues with moderation can be brought up in GHQ - Thanks!

 

[MastanKhan]

Those numbers make no sense to me. I can’t imagine that Azerbaijani airforce wouldn’t even form a full squadron. When Mig-29s was bought in mid 2000s, it was 14 Mig-29s + 2 training UB variants. Of course, Azerbaijan’s military budget is now far larger ($5 billion for 2025).

When you look at other acquisitions, all follows equipping full divisions or brigades. T-90 was 100 + option for another 100. One full brigade is 94 tanks.

Or the artillery systems Azerbaijan is buying now: 72 Dita + 48 Nora B52, 4 + 3 divisions.

8 jets is not even a full squadron.

Hi,

The EW package andd potent turkiye BVR missiles and other weapons on the 8 JF17's gives it a massive force multiplier effect.

So, you may say that the current 8 aesa equipped JF17 are more severe thna 2 sqdrn's of older non aesa aircraft---.

 

[Qaraca]

Hi,

The EW package andd potent turkiye BVR missiles and other weapons on the 8 JF17's gives it a massive force multiplier effect.

So, you may say that the current 8 aesa equipped JF17 are more severe thna 2 sqdrn's of older non aesa aircraft---.

As I said, 8 jets are not even a squadron. That’s simply not how things are done. Everything is procured in the amount to form squadrons (airforce), divisions or brigades (artillery, tanks, air defence etc). Regardless of capability.

 

[Oscar]

As I said, 8 jets are not even a squadron. That’s simply not how things are done. Everything is procured in the amount to form squadrons (airforce), divisions or brigades (artillery, tanks, air defence etc). Regardless of capability.

It’s also possible this is the first batch - some of which will have a mix of Chinese-Turkish systems - next batch will have more Turkish systems and these 8 would be retrofitted.

Keep in mind - a somewhat tight lid was kept on this deal and very internal between Pakistan-Turkey-Azerbaijan

 

[Qaraca]

It’s also possible this is the first batch - some of which will have a mix of Chinese-Turkish systems - next batch will have more Turkish systems and these 8 would be retrofitted.

Keep in mind - a somewhat tight lid was kept on this deal and very internal between Pakistan-Turkey-Azerbaijan

Maybe. Or those people just throw around random numbers. They simultaneously claim the contract value to be $1.6 billion and the number of jets as 8, which does not sound right even when training cost etc is involved. Argentina had supposedly set aside ~ $700 million for 12 jets, including infrastructure?

As for Turkish systems, I’m not sure about the validity of those claims. If you mean the article I posted, I think it’s pretty clear that it was referring to ASELPOD targeting pod, which already integrated on JF-17. Otherwise, I believe the configuration and weaponry will be what was shown to Aliyev in both Pakistan and Azerbaijan.

Or the claim about 8x JF-17C and 4x JF-17B which would form a squadron, but then both Azerbaijani and Pakistani press release specifically mentions only JF-17C Block III.

In any case, we will see.

 

[Qaraca]

As for Turkish systems, I’m not sure about the validity of those claims. If you mean the article I posted, I think it’s pretty clear that it was referring to ASELPOD targeting pod, already integrated on JF-17. Otherwise, I believe the configuration and weaponry will be what was shown to Aliyev in both Pakistan and Azerbaijan.

Here is what I mean. JF-17C Block 3 was first shown to Aliyev in July during his visit to Pakistan, together with the armament options.




And then in Azerbaijan during ADEX 2024 2 months later.

 

[MastanKhan]

As I said, 8 jets are not even a squadron. That’s simply not how things are done. Everything is procured in the amount to form squadrons (airforce), divisions or brigades (artillery, tanks, air defence etc). Regardless of capability.

Hi,

If all things were even---8 fighter aircraft with aesa equipped radar and newer ew / weapons package would give a nasty blow to a conventional force 3 to 4 times its size and come out unscathed.

Secondly---the first batch is always for the integration / induction phase---.

Many a defense contracts do not disclose "what else " is added to the deal---.

 

[Qaraca]

Keep in mind - a somewhat tight lid was kept on this deal

That is simply how most deals are with Azerbaijani military. We usually don’t know about what is bought until they appear in Azerbaijan, but sometimes the other side disclose information.

As an example, there was zero info on Azerbaijan buying T-90, BMP-3 and various artillery and other systems from Russia in 2013 under a multi-billion deal until they appeared at military parade. Some details later was published on Vedomosti newspaper, but only after they had appeared in Azerbaijan.

Or the S-300PMU2 contract that was reported on Vedomosti. It was refuted by Rosoboronexport on same day, yet the contract was very real and the systems appeared a year later in 2011, again at military parade.

Or in 2012 when Azerbaijan and IAI signed a contract for $1.6 billion for Barak-8, it was leaked into media a month later. Azerbaijani government publicly complained that Israel had broken the agreement on secrecy.

“Mammadov also complained that Israel broke an agreement to keep the $1.6 billion purchase of Israeli weapons secret.”

Azerbaijan may rethink pro-western stance if no Karabakh support

Azerbaijan may rethink its pro-Western stance and realign with ``a new bloc`` if it doesn`t get more support, particularly in its conflict with neighboring Armenia.

www.azernews.az

Anyway, this is a bit different as we know about the contract now before delivery. But being tight lid about military contracts is usually the norm in Azerbaijan.

 

[Qaraca]

Btw, in particular dear @Deino should read my above comment. He seem to think Azerbaijani goverment is desperate after shouting armament purchases or that it uses it for propaganda. I mean I can’t blame other people, what can they possibly know about a far away small country?

 

[Khansaheeb]

Hi,

If all things were even---8 fighter aircraft with aesa equipped radar and newer ew / weapons package would give a nasty blow to a conventional force 3 to 4 times its size and come out unscathed.

Secondly---the first batch is always for the integration / induction phase---.

Many a defense contracts do not disclose "what else " is added to the deal---.

Don't forget stingers can be bought two a penny around the globe.

 

[Deino]

Btw, in particular dear @Deino should read my above comment. He seem to think Azerbaijani goverment is desperate after shouting armament purchases or that it uses it for propaganda. I mean I can’t blame other people, what can they possibly know about a far away small country?

That's not the point and I'm well aware, that we - aka Western OSINT nerds like me - do not know everything, often enough lack a certain understanding, but being critical, asking for proof and not jumping the wagon whenever a fan-boy (and that's not meant against you) call "we will get, without paying, soon!" that it has to be correct.

And all the years I work now in that business I learnt, that being suspicious against any rumour, being careful not to believe everything is the better was ... it surely is not the golden one, it includes making mistakes but at least these mistakes are more in a NOT reporting false claims since I refused a few true ones than posting repeatedly non-sense and then later having to accept that most of this was wrong.

At least you must accept, there are many out there, who are loud, who are cheering and boasting everything but barely know anything while those who really know, often keep quiet.

 

[Liquidator]

I do not trust Azerbaijan.

They are far too close to the Israelis.
Israelis have their eye on Pakistan.
This means, they have their eyes on our defence equipment for analysis....

They are relentless planners. I wouldn't put it past them asking Azerbaijan to buy a small qty for that very purpose esp. If they come with EW packages...call me paranoid...

Also recall where Iranian president died...

 

[Awwad]

I do not trust Azerbaijan.

They are far too close to the Israelis.
Israelis have their eye on Pakistan.
This means, they have their eyes on our defence equipment for analysis....

They are relentless planners. I wouldn't put it past them asking Azerbaijan to buy a small qty for that very purpose esp. If they come with EW packages...call me paranoid...

Also recall where Iranian president died...

Nobody needs your approval or care if you "trust" a country or not

Secondly, Why would Israelis will have their eyes on Pakistan? Pakistan isn't doing anything at all. Not involved in fighting, not even giving weapons to anyone who is fighting Israel. Pakistan is behaving like a very good boy, so no way Israel is bothering about Pakistan. Pakistan is the least dangerous country as far as Israel is concerned.

Lastly, how come your talk is related with Azeris JF-17 forum? Israelis have F-35s, they are least interested in JF-17s tech. If Israelis were really crazy to findout whats in JF-17 then they would have even got eyes in PAC and do it themselves instead asking a third country to buy a specific plane for this task.

Get over with your paranoia .

 

[Liquidator]

Nobody needs your approval or care if you "trust" a country or not

This is a discussion forum. There is a saying you may find helpful, or perhaps not if particularly arrogant:

Aristotle wrote, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Secondly, Why would Israelis will have their eyes on Pakistan? Pakistan isn't doing anything at all. Not involved in fighting, not even giving weapons to anyone who is fighting Israel. Pakistan is behaving like a very good boy, so no way Israel is bothering about Pakistan. Pakistan is the least dangerous country as far as Israel is concerned.

There are some people on this forum who understand the zionist threat to the Islamic world and appreciate the lengths, overt and covert, it is willing to tread in order to undermine islamic nations and the Islamic faith in order to achieve its ultimate goal. Happy for you to disagree.

It's called delusional disorder coupled with naivety. Difficult to treat so i've stopped bothering

Lastly, how come your talk is related with Azeris JF-17 forum? Israelis have F-35s, they are least interested in JF-17s tech.

Missed the point entirely.

If Israelis were really crazy to findout whats in JF-17 then they would have even got eyes in PAC and do it themselves

maybe

instead asking a third country to buy a specific plane for this task.

I'll engage in a discussion once you've learnt some manners. However, we get your points that are legitimate arguments against my hypothesis.

Get over with your paranoia .

When an individual acknowledges some degree of paranoia, it is not always clinically relevant.

 

[Saifullah]

“defenders of Islam”

You can’t question them here. I exposed how much “defenders of Islam” they are many times. Each time posts get deleted and thread banned/speedlimited.
Anyways, don’t want to derail the thread.