JF-17 PFX program

[Yasser76]

PFX is most likely will eventually become a Single Engine Stealth Fighter but initially it could be like current KF 21 without any internal weapons bay and in BLOCK II of PFX we may see that

Really do not see the point of it. Just buy more J-35s...

 

[Deino]

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The level of technology in the PFX would be very keenly watched---. It will put the Rafale at a total disadvantage---.
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Sorry my friend, but the day Pakistan has something on offer that es technically more advanced than the Rafale is something you and I will never witness.

And evening it ever reaches something like, then please consider how old the Rafale is already and what’s available then!

 

[SteppeWolff]

PFX is most likely will eventually become a Single Engine Stealth Fighter but initially it could be like current KF 21 without any internal weapons bay and in BLOCK II of PFX we may see that

Do we have the industral capacity to develop a fighter of that class? Even if by some miracle we do; you think we'll be able to do it in some years. I don't think so.

 

[SteppeWolff]

but the day Pakistan has something on offer that es technically more advanced than the Rafale is something you and I will never witness.

Dont be a prick

 

[Yasser76]

Sorry my friend, but the day Pakistan has something on offer that es technically more advanced than the Rafale is something you and I will never witness.

And evening it ever reaches something like, then please consider how old the Rafale is already and what’s available then!

No need for the dig. Pakistan has acheived much, and it is behind the west for sure, but things change.

 

[FuturePAF]

It's not must they would finance it only if they also want to buy it. If they fund our program we can give them lot of benefits in future. Yes the jet itself would be one benefit, secondly technology we can give, thirdly it would also reduce blackmailing of west even if they want to buy western weapons, and many more factors.

The GCC countries have to make the big leap first, to buy non-western aircraft first, a current Chinese fighter design, for it to seem likely they would buy a trainer using the same engine, IMHO.

 

[FuturePAF]

Do we have the industral capacity to develop a fighter of that class? Even if by some miracle we do; you think we'll be able to do it in some years. I don't think so.

Let’s say Pakistani engineers design it, and Chinese partner companies build it. Then for actual building the Chinese partners share the tech with PAC Kamra to build enough of the plane.

PAC Kamra Is probably moving up the fabrication ladder slowly to keep within budget.

 

[Deino]

No need for the dig. Pakistan has acheived much, and it is behind the west for sure, but things change.

My friend! NO-one denies this and anyone who truly knows me, knows how much I'm on Pakistan's side, how much I admire what they archived and yes, this development is continuing, but this constant boasting & showing off as if Pakistan could develop a fighter in the foreseeable future that would "put the Rafale at a total disadvantage---." is ridiculous, embarrassing and, frankly, a slap in the face of all reasonable people who actually care about and strive for the well-being of Pakistan.

The JF-17 / PFX will be a success if, as some rational posters have written here, if it can be built completely with better systems from domestic development and production in Pakistan.

But again: A stealthy JF-17MAX-PRO with conformal stations, weapons bay and whatever ... upscaled by 25% to compete with the J-10 makes no sense at all and is so much beyond Pakistan's current capabilities like the German Luftwaffe is far off from being a modern air force.

 

[Michael]

Let’s say Pakistani engineers design it, and Chinese partner companies build it. Then for actual building the Chinese partners share the tech with PAC Kamra to build enough of the plane.

PAC Kamra Is probably moving up the fabrication ladder slowly to keep within budget.

There are two issues here.
1, What is the difference between the PFX and the JF-17 B3? If there is not much difference, there is no point in using the “PFX” code independently.
2. PFX needs to avoid the target markets of possible partners. The only possible partners for Pakistan are China or Turkey. China's export fighters are mainly J-10CE and J-35. Turkey's may be Hurjet and KAAN. so what is the target market for PFX?

The GCC countries have to make the big leap first, to buy non-western aircraft first, a current Chinese fighter design, for it to seem likely they would buy a trainer using the same engine, IMHO.

I apologize, that previous point was speculation on my part. But it seems highly unlikely now.

 

[Deino]

Dont be a prick

I'm not o prick ... but anyone who posts such nonsense and then becomes insulting when critics doubt it, ask about the point or even just argue that Pakistan cannot do this - which is simply what's reality - are one!

 

[Yasser76]

My friend! NO-one denies this and anyone who truly knows me, knows how much I'm on Pakistan's side, how much I admire what they archived and yes, this development is continuing, but this constant boasting & showing off as if Pakistan could develop a fighter in the foreseeable future that would "put the Rafale at a total disadvantage---." is ridiculous, embarrassing and, frankly, a slap in the face of all reasonable people who actually care about and strive for the well-being of Pakistan.

The JF-17 / PFX will be a success if, as some rational posters have written here, if it can be built completely with better systems from domestic development and production in Pakistan.

But again: A stealthy JF-17MAX-PRO with conformal stations, weapons bay and whatever ... upscaled by 25% to compete with the J-10 makes no sense at all and is so much beyond Pakistan's current capabilities like the German Luftwaffe is far off from being a modern air force.

fair points here

 

[TAC]

You're probably right, but pakistan's MIC has a history of over promising and underdelivering.

Apart from Azm which was quickly abandoned, what else with regard to PAF?

 

[TAC]

PFX project feels like a solution searching for a problem.

JF-17 Block III is the perfect lightweight fighter. We got it cheap, sanctions proof, decent weapons fit a few export orders and it has basically almost entirely replaced the F-7

We know have J-10CE - Perfect medium fighter with AESA and PL-15

J-35 round the corner and potentially KAAN too

Even after F-7s and Mirages retire we have 75 odd F-16s that can act as second line of PAF


Struggling to find the niche PFX fits. There is literally no role it can do that any of the above mentioned fighters cannot and it will be more expensive then a JF-17 Block III.

But Has JF-17 block 3 reached the limit of what u can do with that airframe?

 

[Yasser76]

But Has JF-17 block 3 reached the limit of what u can do with that airframe?

I am not sure, I am not an aircraft engineer or avionics specialist but i can guess that the more sophisticated we make it the more power it will need.

 

[Indos]

The GCC countries have to make the big leap first, to buy non-western aircraft first, a current Chinese fighter design, for it to seem likely they would buy a trainer using the same engine, IMHO.

They never learn, do you follow Saudi proposal to European 6 gen fighter program, they want to be badly included in that program despite initial Japanese decline