liuzhengdong
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Fujian has an early warning aircraft,
The PLA has a long-range early warning radar,
The PLA has a supersonic high-altitude reconnaissance drone
The PLA has an early warning satellite
Can the US win a war with China? Shocking new simulation reveals what could happen if Taiwan is attacked
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The PLA has a long-range early warning radar,
The PLA has a supersonic high-altitude reconnaissance drone
The PLA has an early warning satellite
liuzhengdong
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China will not attack the United States if it attacks Taiwan, unless the United States goes to war with China for Taiwan.
sutton9999
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watch this clip
Nuffle
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What is the capacity of these RoRo vessels?
Nuffle
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This is the difference between China and the US in a potential conflict in the Western Pacific.
The great American effort will be measured by its ability to solve the logistical problems of maintaining an air-naval war in the Pacific.
In addition, it is not only a question of logistics, but also a war of attrition that most of these "war games" do not consider, because they think that any war will be a war with a decisive victory in a short period of time, because that is how they plan to wage a war but this does not take into account what the enemy's capabilities can impose, which is why they fell flat on their faces when the war in Ukraine turned into a war of attrition with Kiev's allies unable to adequately arm Ukraine to make a military victory against Russia possible, while Russia had all its military industry weight to maintain this war of attrition, with China this nightmare is worsened more than 100 times.
For example, CSIS's "war games" only cover one month of fighting:
The First Battle of the Next War: Wargaming a Chinese Invasion of Taiwan
CSIS wargamed a Chinese invasion of Taiwan 24 times and found that Taiwan would endure as a democratic and independent entity in most scenarios. However, the costs were enormous. Victory is not enough. The United States needs to strengthen deterrence to avoid war.
What happens if the war lasts more than a year? Here are the questions.
RUSI goes into full detail about this fundamental problem for the West:
The Attritional Art of War: Lessons from the Russian War on Ukraine
If the West is serious about the possibility of a great power conflict, it needs to take a hard look at its capacity to wage a protracted war and to pursue a strategy focused on attrition rather than manoeuvre.
www.rusi.org
Han Patriot
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This is the difference between China and the US in a potential conflict in the Western Pacific.
The great American effort will be measured by its ability to solve the logistical problems of maintaining an air-naval war in the Pacific.
In addition, it is not only a question of logistics, but also a war of attrition that most of these "war games" do not consider, because they think that any war will be a war with a decisive victory in a short period of time, because that is how they plan to wage a war but this does not take into account what the enemy's capabilities can impose, which is why they fell flat on their faces when the war in Ukraine turned into a war of attrition with Kiev's allies unable to adequately arm Ukraine to make a military victory against Russia possible, while Russia had all its military industry weight to maintain this war of attrition, with China this nightmare is worsened more than 100 times.
For example, CSIS's "war games" only cover one month of fighting:
The First Battle of the Next War: Wargaming a Chinese Invasion of Taiwan
CSIS wargamed a Chinese invasion of Taiwan 24 times and found that Taiwan would endure as a democratic and independent entity in most scenarios. However, the costs were enormous. Victory is not enough. The United States needs to strengthen deterrence to avoid war.www.csis.org
What happens if the war lasts more than a year? Here are the questions.
RUSI goes into full detail about this fundamental problem for the West:
The Attritional Art of War: Lessons from the Russian War on Ukraine
If the West is serious about the possibility of a great power conflict, it needs to take a hard look at its capacity to wage a protracted war and to pursue a strategy focused on attrition rather than manoeuvre.
Well US is thousands of kilometers away, China can practically supply the war front with ease, the infrastructure is superior, US can only supply from a base in Guam and Japan. If Japan enters the war, Japan will be targeted, that's the reason Korea is not involved. Philipines will also most likely remain neutral.
China with our superior population can sustain this war indefinitely, can US sustain it?
StrategicBear
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China's Hypersonic Missiles will make short work of the entire US Navy within range. Think of Iran's twin attacks on Israel this year, but with 1000 times the intensity, numbers and accuracy! 
From the OP's article. And quote,
Taiwan would have to hold the line against an assault, and the US would need to join the fight immediately, operating through its bases in Japan, says Matthew Cancian, a Naval War College professor and lead author of the project.
'If the US were not to join the fight for two weeks [after an invasion], it would be too late,' says Cancian, a Marine veteran.
'China would already have too strong a footing.'
And this report one week ago,
Taiwan must hold out one month if China invades: U.S. war game - Focus Taiwan
Taiwan would have to fight off a Chinese blockade and invasion for around a month before the United States could successfully airlift or sealift forces or munitions to support it, according to war games organized by a U.S. congressional committee Wednesday.
focustaiwan.tw
Cancian said one lesson of the war game was the value of anti-ship missiles.
In the next couple of years, "I think the most effective thing you could do is to give Taiwan 500 Harpoon missiles," he said.
Such missiles would be stationed in Taiwan, put on mobile launchers, and able to hit Chinese ships within range, without having to put U.S. troops on the ground, he said.
"The other lesson is that once the fighting begins, it's impossible to get any forces or reinforcements onto Taiwan," Cancian said.
Because Chinese forces would surround Taiwan, the U.S. would not be able to get an airlift or sealift to the island "at least for the first three or four weeks," he said.
For that reason, "Taiwan would have to fight at least the first month, and maybe the first two months, with whatever it starts out with."
I think the American knows that it is near impossible to beat China, but of course they cannot say this publicly.
Just slowly ease Taiwanese into accepting that fact.
Harpoon missile? to shoot at the crossing and landing ships? I guess China would need to be prepare to counter that with electronic warface, attacking the launching base and anti missile system.
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samejjangir
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China literally has much larger manufacturing capacity. All of this can be turned to defence manufacturing which means China can easily produce military equipments in massive quantities that will dwarf USA if it actually enters a war. I don't see how China can lose
Ah... maybe not so slow.
Latest from Foreign Affairs magazine,
“Taiwan is not the be all and end all of the Indo-Pacific,” writes @jcaverley. It is time for Washington to focus less on the island itself—and start preparing to wage and win a wider and lengthier conflict with Beijing.
Han Patriot
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And the fleet in Asia can destroy the Chinese cities? What has the Russo-UKrainian War prove to you? Even with thousands of bombs and missiles, Ukraine is still standing due to sheer size.
Do you know why we have the world's largest optical, radar and signals satellite network? Do you know why we have the world's most hyperprecise mm level (near Taiwan Straits and Mainland) Beidou Navigation System? Do you know why we have the World's first ASBM system with 2000km range? Guess why? You think we can only destroy 3 CBGs? That is not counting the countless shore based ASM, AAM and submarines. The moment you enter Taiwan Straits, US Navy is basically fried. You can send 10 carriers and it will be toasted in that tiny area. You never said this and you never said that, hey you also say alot of things and don't admit thereafter, come on, I have caught you bullshiting numerous times LNG, Navy Rust and what else I forgot. lol.
Carriers lose their advantage in near shore battles against unsinkable land 'carriers'. Do you know how far the Chinese air defense system extend into. Do you know we can even vaporize Taipei from coastal China using just cheap artillery? You must be the genius who thinks it takes 2 frigates to sink 1 destroyer and 4 corvettes to sink 1 destroyer? LOL. Within the Taiwan Straits, even the simple missile boat can sink a carrier.
Let's look at conventional warfare and see the balance
CHINA
- Destroyers - 50
- Frigates - 47
- Corvettes - 72
- Missile boats - 107
- Nuclear attack submarines - 9
- Conventional attack submarines - 45
- Attack submarine – 51
- Classic frigate – 1
- Cruiser – 9 (of 18)
- Destroyer – 75
- Littoral combat ship – 23 (of 28)
Do you want me to remind you of your 'intelligence' and how many times I caught you with your pants down? Nukes are weapons of last resort, why go nuke first when you can attack conventionally. Why do you think US is just cheerleading in Ukraine with POM POMs? If Moscow is destroyed conventionally by NATO, what do you think happens? They are gonna take it like a bitch? Now open up that big brain of yours and start thinking. If it was that simple, they why don't US destroy St. P? Occupy it? Hey, Ukraine is just next to NATO man, no sea barrier, easy logistics, huge NATO army. WHY???
Kursk is occupied by a weaker Ukraine, heck Ukraine can send anybody and camp in that 1000s of square km of wilderness, same like what Russia did intially, occupying 1000s of kmsq of empty land and then what? Does it mean anything besides prolonging the war? That's the act of desperation to get attention and funding and the stupidest move ever. What are they going to achieve doing that? Imagine there is a huge empty land in Siberia, and China moves in with 10'000 soldiers and encamp there, and then what? But if 10'000 Chinese capture Vladivostok, that would be different. So tell me why isn't US destroying Moscow or occupying Kursk? Despite having no CBGs, US does not even dare sink a Russian tugboat. WHYYYYYYY? GUESS WHY?
You can have nukes since 1000BC for all I care. The point is the bombs now are 100x deadlier than Hiroshima. And that's the reason US can only bark in Ukraine. No Superpowers fight direct, they can fight indirectly because if Russia proper or Mainland China is attacked, the war will escalate very fast into nuclear war. Even if only Shanghai is destroyed, China WILL retaliate and DESTROY SF.
Which is a smarted move? Making Russia a NATO member and gangraping China? Or pushing Russia the world's largest resource center to China the world's largest industrial power? LOL. Doesn't take a genius to see it mate. Russia with access to Chinese market and industrial goods can militarize very fast. Look, Russia was supposed to have ran out of ammo 1 year ago, out of drones, out of missiles. WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY GET THEIR COMPONENTS?
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Lol what a defeatist attitude by US military general, he seems to have already decided to handover Taiwan to Chinese
, with attitude like this they cant even beat Taliban Thats why US deep state wants India China war to weaken both.
Han Patriot
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Lol what a defeatist attitude by US military general, he seems to have already decided to handover Taiwan to Chinese
Thats why US deep state wants India China war to weaken both.
That's the truth, what do you expect him to do? He can support the east from 10000kms away, if Japan is fcked, US is bye bye from Asia, so unless Japan wants to get destroyed, they better stay neutral, one atom bomb in Tokyo is enough to shut these banzais up.
Han Patriot
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From the OP's article. And quote,
Taiwan would have to hold the line against an assault, and the US would need to join the fight immediately, operating through its bases in Japan, says Matthew Cancian, a Naval War College professor and lead author of the project.'If the US were not to join the fight for two weeks [after an invasion], it would be too late,' says Cancian, a Marine veteran.'China would already have too strong a footing.'
And this report one week ago,
and quote,Taiwan must hold out one month if China invades: U.S. war game - Focus Taiwan
Taiwan would have to fight off a Chinese blockade and invasion for around a month before the United States could successfully airlift or sealift forces or munitions to support it, according to war games organized by a U.S. congressional committee Wednesday.
Cancian said one lesson of the war game was the value of anti-ship missiles.In the next couple of years, "I think the most effective thing you could do is to give Taiwan 500 Harpoon missiles," he said.Such missiles would be stationed in Taiwan, put on mobile launchers, and able to hit Chinese ships within range, without having to put U.S. troops on the ground, he said."The other lesson is that once the fighting begins, it's impossible to get any forces or reinforcements onto Taiwan," Cancian said.Because Chinese forces would surround Taiwan, the U.S. would not be able to get an airlift or sealift to the island "at least for the first three or four weeks," he said.For that reason, "Taiwan would have to fight at least the first month, and maybe the first two months, with whatever it starts out with."
I think the American knows that it is near impossible to beat China, but of course they cannot say this publicly.
Just slowly ease Taiwanese into accepting that fact.
Harpoon missile? to shoot at the crossing and landing ships? I guess China would need to be prepare to counter that with electronic warface, attacking the launching base and anti missile system.
People tend to forget China's merchant navy and fishingboat militia. Imagine them getting armed with bazzokas, or Javelin type missiles.
j_hungary
Professional
lol, do you think all this mean anything if you piss off the American if you invade Taiwan?
Again, you get it the other way around, if you don't want to fight the American, the best course of action is not to invade Taiwan.
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