Indian Americans - USA and Western politics

and here, I see in the State Library of Australia and on other government building around me, we see the welcome on the State Library's front door, Im sitting at present, in the Hindi-Chines-Urdu and other languages i can't understand, these languages are used for 'welcome' on front door of these government's buildings :)

looks like these languages are 'regional languages' of Australia now......

here, how about USA-EU, is this the same story? :coffee:
Nothing officially; Sometimes, for multicultural programs, they put up 'Welcome' sign in many languages. In terms of government communication, I have seen some ballot information booklet in California (and here in Portland, Oregon area) with what looks like Punjabi and may be Gujarati texts. But it is not routine as I think there is no demand for it. But I see Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Russian and occasionally Somali and Arabic.
 
how you see the post#43 of the thread as below? :coffee:


here we have news for those Students who want admission in Indian IITs, based in India....... :coffee:
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=> For foreign nationals, including US students, there's a specific quota that allows them to compete for the 10% supernumerary seats created for foreign nationals, separate from the general pool of seats for Indian students

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NRIs moving from the US to India: How much salary to expect​

That story probably made news only because of its star power. The fact that NRIs from the US are moving back to India is no shocking development. NRIs have, in the last few years, been relocating to India in large numbers, in search of better personal and professional lives. :coffee:
And if you are an NRI considering that move, there is one important thing that you must understand very well: the salary you will get in India.
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Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

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https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...uch-salary-to-expect/articleshow/10160094.cms
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=> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...n-other-cities-Study/articleshow/12617608.cms
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Diwali 2024 in US: These states have declared public holiday for the festival of lights | Date & time​

Diwali, widely known as the festival of lights, holds profound cultural significance around the world. Celebrated with enthusiasm and joy, it symbolizes the victory of good over evil and the arrival of prosperity and happiness.

In the United States, the growing recognition of this festival reflects the nation’s diversity and the increasing influence of various cultures.

In a landmark decision, Pennsylvania has become the first state to declare Diwali an official public holiday, recognizing its importance and the vibrant communities that celebrate it, as mentioned in a report by Hindustan Times.

 

How India celebrate Diwali, di festival of lights​

Pipo dey light earthen lamps on di banks of Sarayu river during a programme, on di eve of Diwali, on November 11, 2023, Ayodhya


31 October 2024
Millions of Indians dey celebrate Diwali, di festival of lights and one of di most important events for Hindu calendar.
Di annual festival normally dey fall between October and November, but di exact date dey change every year sake of say di Hindu calendar dey based on di Moon.
Tori be say dis year, na on Thursday Diwali celebration go happun, but some parts of di kontri go observe di festival on Friday.
Pipo go light oil lamps and candles dat day to symbolise di triumph of light ova darkness and good ova evil.
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What's going on with Diwali in Leicester this year?​

BBC News, East Midlands

Beth Walsh Belgrave Road in Leicester at Diwali


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Diwali celebrations in Leicester are still expected to attract thousands of visitors, the council says
Diwali celebrations in Leicester have long been considered one of the biggest in the world outside of India.

The popular Hindu festival of light had until now been marked in the city with two events - a lights switch-on event and a Diwali Day event, both along Belgrave Road, dubbed the "Golden Mile".

But in a bid to save money, Leicester City Council has scaled its plans back, with only one of the events planned to be taking place.

The decision was met with mixed feelings, with some people saying Diwali had been "cancelled" by the local authority. So what is happening?

 

Indian Americans: The New Model Minority​


The 2008 election barely ended before the GOP began touting the presidential prospects of Louisiana Gov. Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, the son of Indian immigrants. Tuesday, Jindal becomes the new face of his party when he delivers the official Republican response to President Obama's speech to Congress. Whether or not he actually runs for president in 2012, Jindal symbolizes a remarkable but rarely discussed phenomenon--the amazing success of Indian Americans in general, and what that success says about our immigration policy.

Most Americans know only one thing about Indians--they are really good at spelling bees. When Sameer Mishra correctly spelled guerdon last May to win the 2008 Scripps National Spelling Bee, he became the sixth Indian-American winner in the past 10 years. Finishing second was Sidharth Chand. Kavya Shivashankar took fourth place, and Janhnavi Iyer grabbed the eighth spot. And this was not even the banner year for Indian Americans--in 2005, the top four finishers were all of Indian descent.

It's tempting to dismiss Indian-American dominance of the spelling bee as just a cultural idiosyncrasy. But Indian success in more important fields is just as eye-catching. Despite constituting less than 1% of the U.S. population, Indian-Americans are 3% of the nation's engineers, 7% of its IT workers and 8% of its physicians and
surgeons. The overrepresentation of Indians in these fields is striking--in practical terms, your doctor is nine times more likely to be an Indian-American than is a random passerby on the street.

Indian Americans are in fact a new "model minority." This term dates back to the 1960s, when East Asians--Americans of Chinese, Japanese and Korean descent--were noted for their advanced educations and high earnings.

East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest "model." In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites.

About 69% of Indian Americans age 25 and over have four-year college degrees, which dwarfs the rates of 51% and 30% achieved by East Asians and whites, respectively. Indian Americans are also less likely to be poor or in prison, compared with whites.

So why do Indian Americans perform so well? A natural answer is self-selection. Someone willing to pull up roots and move halfway around the world will tend to be more ambitious and hardworking than the average person. But people want to come to the U.S. for many reasons, some of which--being reunited with other family members, for example--have little to do with industriousness. Ultimately, immigration policy decides which kinds of qualities our immigrants possess.

Under our current immigration policy, a majority of legal immigrants to the U.S. obtain green cards (permanent residency) because they have family ties to U.S. citizens, but a small number (15% in 2007) are selected specifically for their labor market value. The proportion of Indian immigrants given an employment-related green card is one of the highest of any nationality. Consequently, it is mainly India's educated elite and their families who come to the U.S.

The success of Indian Americans is also often ascribed to the culture they bring with them, which places strong--some would even say obsessive--emphasis on academic achievement. Exhibit A is the spelling bee, which requires long hours studying etymology and memorizing word lists, all for little expected benefit other than the thrill of intellectual competition.

But education and culture can take people only so far. To be a great speller--or, more importantly, a great doctor or IT manager--you have to be smart. Just how smart are Indian Americans? We don't know with much certainty. Most data sets with information on ethnic groups do not include IQ scores, and the few that do rarely include enough cases to provide interpretable results for such a small portion of the population.

The only direct evidence we have comes from the 2003 New Immigrant Survey, in which a basic cognitive test called "digit span" was administered to a sample of newly arrived immigrant children. It is an excellent test for comparing people with disparate language and educational backgrounds, since the test taker need only repeat lengthening sequences of digits read by the examiner. Repeating the digits forward is simply a test of short-term memory, but repeating them backward is much more mentally taxing, hence a rough measure of intelligence.

When statistical adjustments are used to convert the backward digit span results to full-scale IQ scores, Indian Americans place at about 112 on a bell-shaped IQ distribution, with white Americans at 100. 112 is the 79th percentile of the white distribution. For more context, consider that Ashkenazi Jews are a famously intelligent ethnic group, and their mean IQ is somewhere around 110.

Given the small sample size, the rough IQ measure and the lack of corroborating data sets, this finding of lofty Indian-American intelligence must be taken cautiously. Nevertheless, it is entirely consistent with their observed achievement.

The superior educational attainment, academic culture and likely high IQ of Indian Americans has already made them an economic force in the U.S., and that strength can only grow. Does this continuing success imply they will become a political force? Here, Gov. Jindal is actually a rarity. Indians are still underrepresented in politics, and they do not specialize in the kinds of fields (law and finance) most conducive to political careers. Time will tell if they are able to convert economic power into serious political influence, as a Jindal presidency could.

A much clearer implication of Indian-American success is that immigrants need not be unskilled, nor must their economic integration take generations to achieve. In sharp contrast to Indian Americans, most U.S. immigrants, especially Mexican, are much less wealthy and educated than U.S. natives, even after many years in the country.

A new immigration policy that prioritizes skills over family reunification could bring more successful immigrants to the U.S. By emphasizing education, work experience and IQ in our immigration policy, immigrant groups from other national backgrounds could join the list of model minorities.

There is nothing inevitable about immigration. Who immigrates each year is a policy decision, free to be modified at any time by Congress. Constructing new legislation is always difficult, but I propose a simple starting point for immigration selection: Anyone who can spell guerdon is in! (y)

Jason Richwine is a National Research Initiative fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington.


here is the table for the year 2024 :coffee:
 

Why Diwali spending is primed to rocket in the US​

8 November 2023

As Diwali festivals become increasingly mainstream, businesses are hoping to capture celebrants' holiday dollars.

For many businesses, holiday spending is a major part of Q4 revenue – think Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas and Kwanzaa. Now, as it gains national recognition, US merchants are increasingly embracing Diwali, the Hindu festival of lights, for its commercial potential.

While every region in India has traditions for commemorating this holiday, most celebrants broadly see Diwali as the triumph of good over evil, light over darkness and wisdom over ignorance. Also marked by Jains and Sikhs, it is celebrated every year in October or November, precipitating a range of private and public celebrations.
Diwali's profile is growing, particularly in the US. In 2022, President Joe Biden marked Diwali at the White House with the biggest-ever celebration. (y) Recognition has also appeared at the state and city levels: the Pennsylvania State Senate passed a bill earlier in April this year making Diwali an official holiday state holiday; and in New York City, Mayor Eric Adams announced in June that Diwali will become a school holiday in the city's public school system, the largest in the country. (y)

"Diwali is coming out from a liminal space and becoming a part of our national lexicon of holidays," says Soni Satpathy-Singh, a New York-based entrepreneur, who owns meal delivery review site Meal Matchmaker and works as a private chef and content creator.

Diwali's profile is growing, particularly in the US. In 2022, President Joe Biden marked Diwali at the White House with the biggest-ever celebration. Recognition has also appeared at the state and city levels: the Pennsylvania State Senate passed a bill earlier in April this year making Diwali an official holiday state holiday; and in New York City, Mayor Eric Adams announced in June that Diwali will become a school holiday in the city's public school system, the largest in the country.

"Diwali is coming out from a liminal space and becoming a part of our national lexicon of holidays," says Soni Satpathy-Singh, a New York-based entrepreneur, who owns meal delivery review site Meal Matchmaker and works as a private chef and content creator.

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Major retailers such as Target, Walmart and Costco have begun to cater to Diwali in the past few years, stocking shelves with Diwali-specific goods, including decorative productive products for the home, food and gift boxes. Greeting card aisles also display Diwali-themed cards alongside Christmas ones.

"I was more surprised to have recently visited my local TJ Maxx store and see a section dedicated specifically to Diwali with an array of brass and painted clay diyas, blinged out candles, mirror-work table runners, lanterns, acrylic rangolis and even Hindu deity idols," says Satpathy-Singh. "Right there, in between Halloween decor and Thanksgiving goods, was half an aisle full of Diwali decor items."

In India, consumers who celebrate Diwali represent a major revenue opportunity for businesses – and research shows purchasing from this group may grow this year, with approximately 70% of Indians ready to spend more this Diwali than last. Among those who planned to spend more, 68% said they are more likely to increase spending on new clothes, 65% on gold and jewellery, 64% on Diwali food items and gifts for family and 64% on friends and colleagues.

US retailers offering Diwali-related products are hoping these commercial trends will go international – Kumar says businesses are eager to tap into the spending power of Indian- and South Asian-American purchasers who hold celebrations.

And there's a big potential market. At nearly 4.4 million, the Indian-American population has grown by more than 50% between 2010 and 2020, according to 2020 US Census data, which includes groups that celebrate Diwali. The median household income among the country's Indian-American population was $119,000 (£96,220) in 2019, according to Pew Research Center, standing significantly higher than median incomes for the broader US population.

Kumar adds many of the celebratory aspects of Diwali – including ornate displays and firecrackers – also appeal to a broader population beyond South Asian communities. Although it may be difficult to quantify the magnitude of interest in the festival among mainstream American shoppers, a Pinterest-GWI global research study conducted in July showed searches for the term "Diwali celebration" were up 60% year over year.
For Satpathy-Singh, of the requests she received to cater Diwali parties this year, many were from non-South Asian Americans and companies. "You may not celebrate Diwali yourself, but you may know someone who does and will have 'stuff' to gift them with everything that is now made available in the US market such as cards, food, decor, to list just a few things," she says.

As major retailers add Diwali merchandise to cater to this broader appeal, speciality stores and brands also stand to earn, too.

Patel Brothers, an Indian grocery marketplace chain with 51 US stores, has offered Diwali-related goods since its founding 49 years ago. Initially focused on food items, the company more recently expanded to accessories, including diya lamps, trinkets and party supplies. This year, the company debuted a line of patterned paper plates and cups, marking the growth of Diwali as an American holiday.

"We found a supplier to get paper plates, paper cups and napkins that have a Diwali theme on them," says Swetal Patel, a partner at Patel Brothers. "When you have a football party, you'll have paper plates that have a football theme or whatever. This is the first time we've brought in stuff like this." Before, they hadn't been able to find a vendor – now, the landscape has changed.

The rise of Diwali as a commercial occasion in the US, says Satpathy-Singh , likely saw a boost from the e-commerce boom of recent years, in which specialised brands were more easily able to send a range of Diwali offerings to a recipient's doorstep.

 
Everything about India is interesting.

This is the country they worship rats and elephants and where the world’s software engineers are produced. Mighty skyscrapers sit next to crowded slums. A food exporting nation while nutrition rates are worse than sub-Saharan Africa. :)

Parts of India are desolate and disconnected from the world ( Nicobar Islands) while the country is one of the premier space powers of the world sending satellites and robots to distant corners of space.

India is a country of contrasts and contradictions.

for US, the Indians are having Household Income at $152,341 as below. isn't it the Culture Background of Indians-Hindus behind that? :)
here the question is, why Americans having so low Household Income at $59,995 here?


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Indian soft power is global
This is a deliberate ploy by modern rising India
As the economic might grows so does it's soft power in the west
Very cunning these Hindus

Why do the Chinese have no where near the same influence as USA despite matching their gdp and tech.. China has no soft power in west
Alien civilisation ..much loved by only Pakistanis it seems for some reason
Soft power isn’t directly tied to economic “might”. It’s has more to do with marketing. Thailand is the best example of this. A modest economy but their government has promoted Thai food around the world methodically.

But you are right that what seems to be happening for at least the past 10 years seems as if it is a “deliberate ploy by modern rising India”. For a country, with a lot of young people, a big hurdle is marketing themselves online. I wouldn’t be surprised if the “Great Shift” didn’t come out an Indian think tank, coming on the heels of heavily promoted shows like the Mindy project and Never have I ever.

I suspect some Indian marketing agencies will try to play up Usha Vance, the incoming Second Lady of the US, to boost India as a whole, as part of this “Great shift” campaign soon enough.

P.s. I don’t think the marketing will work in Europe, considering the physical resemblance to the Roma people. It also won’t work in Canada for immigration reasons. This will probably be just a US focused thing.

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here the question is, why Americans having so low Household Income at $59,995 here?
Statistics and Social sciences look easy but are difficult. I am from physical sciences background, and this baffles me many times. One thing you should think through is, unlike physical sciences, not all variables in a process are obvious and this can produce misleading conclusions. In the statistics you cited, there are various factors that prevent quick judgement to conclusions.

1. Indian Americans are a very recent demographic. Hence, they are highly selected, based on skill level, compared to a random sample of Indian people in India.
2. The population tends to be younger, male and better educated than both random sample of people of India and U.S. Hence you see statistics that don't represent average persons.
3. Being predominantly younger cohort, there is lesser 'burden' of older, retired, sick/infirm persons who can't work and earn a higher income.
4. Being highly selected, there are fewer cases of persons with social dysfunction like criminality, addiction etc.,

To draw a good comparison, you should wait for the data to smooth out after a few generations. If you do so, the results will be less dramatic though they are likely to be more impressive than average U.S. persons due to initial selection and continuing advantages it may provide.
 
Statistics and Social sciences look easy but are difficult. I am from physical sciences background, and this baffles me many times. One thing you should think through is, unlike physical sciences, not all variables in a process are obvious and this can produce misleading conclusions. In the statistics you cited, there are various factors that prevent quick judgement to conclusions.

1. Indian Americans are a very recent demographic. Hence, they are highly selected, based on skill level, compared to a random sample of Indian people in India. :)
2. The population tends to be younger, male and better educated than both random sample of people of India and U.S. Hence you see statistics that don't represent average persons.
3. Being predominantly younger cohort, there is lesser 'burden' of older, retired, sick/infirm persons who can't work and earn a higher income.
4. Being highly selected, there are fewer cases of persons with social dysfunction like criminality, addiction etc.,

To draw a good comparison, you should wait for the data to smooth out after a few generations. If you do so, the results will be less dramatic though they are likely to be more impressive than average U.S. persons due to initial selection and continuing advantages it may provide.

sir, only those goes for MNCs and to privates firms, or to US-west, who don get job in Government firms in India.
i mean, those who finally chose to go for private MNCs and to US-EU, are second grade people of India :)

its the 2nd grade workers of India who dont get government jobs and then they finally have to move for private MNCs and to US-west :coffee:
 
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sir, only those goes for MNCs and to privates firms, or to US-west, who don get job in Government firms in India.
i mean, those who finally chose to go for private MNCs and to US-EU, are second grade people of India :)

its the 2nd grade workers of India who dont get government jobs and then they finally have to move for private MNCs and to US-west :coffee:
If 'Government firms' and 'government jobs' are filled by First Grade people, why is Indian government not functioning as well as Japan or Singapore? You showed a table that has Indian-Americans doing better than Korean-Americans and Vietnamese-Americans for example. But I think Korean and Vietnamese government workers are functioning better than Indian government workers.
 
for US, the Indians are having Household Income at $152,341 as below. isn't it the Culture Background of Indians-Hindus behind that? :)
here the question is, why Americans having so low Household Income at $59,995 here?


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This isn't the flex you think it is

It shows a western system gives Indians economic opportunity that they benefit from

It raises the question why it cannot be created within India by Indians, especially given the old civilization narrative

It also brings into question why the Chinese in decades have created a comparable economic system and that Chinese do go back to China

Ofcourse you will want the analysis to not go that far
 
This isn't the flex you think it is

It shows a western system gives Indians economic opportunity that they benefit from

It raises the question why it cannot be created within India by Indians, especially given the old civilization narrative

It also brings into question why the Chinese in decades have created a comparable economic system and that Chinese do go back to China

Of course you will want the analysis to not go that far

India is rising and Im running few threads in this regard also....

India is now listed with Newly Industrialised Countries as below. growth of India is home demand based, less related to foreign buyers/export, so we hope it would be maintained on long run :coffee:

 

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