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Accuracy (even if true) in these cases are irrelevant. People always forget the goal is to vacate the opponent's armory. That's it.

100s of cheap Iranian systems will overwhelm the opponent. That's it.
Exactly. Something worse than shoot down all missiles would be not intercepting them. If you cannot destroy Israel, you can bleed them to death with expensive interceptors and frequents air raids over thousands of kilometres while destroying their tourism wages.
 
Right now, Israel cannot refine enough oil for its air force, so the Americans are having to ship lots of jet fuel to Israel for it to carry on with its operations.

If Iran's was to take out Israel's oil storage facilities and its oil refining infrastructure, then Iran could ground a lot of the Israeli air force on the ground. The CEP of Iran's missiles are sufficient to do that, but will the Iranian military have the common sense to do that ?

Energy supplies are a weak link for Israel ( as it is for Iran) but given the amount of damage that Israel will try to do via its air force, the ecosystem around the air force has to be the major target. Not empty airfields, but jet fuel storage, weapons stores, jets spare part storage sites, etc.
 
Right now, Israel cannot refine enough oil for its air force, so the Americans are having to ship lots of jet fuel to Israel for it to carry on with its operations.

If Iran's was to take out Israel's oil storage facilities and its oil refining infrastructure, then Iran could ground a lot of the Israeli air force on the ground. The CEP of Iran's missiles are sufficient to do that, but will the Iranian military have the common sense to do that ?

Energy supplies are a weak link for Israel ( as it is for Iran) but given the amount of damage that Israel will try to do via its air force, the ecosystem around the air force has to be the major target. Not empty airfields, but jet fuel storage, weapons stores, jets spare part storage sites, etc.
Attacking enemy's oil refineries and storage facilities is common sense in war. Even the US did that during the 2 Gulf Wars.

Heck, even I as a Video Gamer made tons of bombing runs on oil storage tanks while flying many aircraft in Ace Combat game series, lmao 😂

Therefore, Iran's military leaders should be smart enough to know which targets would hurt the Israelis a lot.
 
I think TP3 should be launched 1-2 days after Iran has test fired an ICBM to deter possible US intervention, so what do you guys think?

A stern backdoor message via Gulf countries to the US must be conveyed that Iran will strike with full force at all US military targets not limited to only the Middle East region with all sorts of conventional weapons if the US military strikes Iranian soil (It'd be unfair if the US can strike Iran's soil but Iran can't hit back at US soil in retaliation).

This way, Iran can focus primarily on Israel in TP3 without worrying about a US intervention... What do you think?
Leave amers alone for now, it's not smartest idea to have direct punch on American military, and avoiding such conflicts is one of real achievements for IRGC, so keep focus on entity...



Iran must decide what kind of operation they will execute, with symbolically importance or devastating impact on the enemy...



In this time is not problematical offensive side of the operation, but keeping in mind that it is also the same thing for nemesis, eventual counter-punch could be just partially avoided by air defense...



Politically related observations of TP1 and TP2 rated by all means that operations at the high level of success...Before TP2 IDF looked like Terminator surrounded by peasants...



So geopolitical approaching and will to respond put Iran among the elite...Situation now is complete complicated by minimal turkish stabbings; Turkey with simple moratorium of inferences in Iranian-Israeli confrontation could be real good-natured neighbor....



But, situation is far from over, it's not impossible to keep route to Beirut actively suporting the Hezbollah, what could be positive turkish signal..
 
Of course, if Iran try to attack with few pieces of own modern models, than thaad could be 100% successful ...Kamikaze units have to be prepared to fly and die for Iran... But if for Saddam kamikaze units were human waves, this time cheap drones and bombs should not be take so emotional...
The more THAADs successfully intercept Iranian systems the better. I hope they destroy 100s of Iranian systems. As many as possible.

Until the mags are empty.
 
If Iran's was to take out Israel's oil storage facilities and its oil refining infrastructure, then Iran could ground a lot of the Israeli air force on the ground. The CEP of Iran's missiles are sufficient to do that, but will the Iranian military have the common sense to do that ?

And when Israel hits Kharg oil terminal and all of Iran’s refineries, who is going to spend the billions to repair them? You?

Israel will have engineers from around the world helping to repair their facilities. Israel will have Americans and Europeans sending energy supplies on Day 1.

Who will help Iran recover when the country is in perpetual blackouts? It can barely keep the lights on when it’s a peace right now. Now imagine when Iran’s oil terminals and refineries are bombed into oblivion what the situation will look like.

So no your idea isn’t “common sense”. It’s a path to disaster.
 
The one Out Standing In Their Field spews garbage. Any Iranian critical infrastructure damage will be responded to severely. Zionia cannot and will not throw stones from her glass house. Just like before. Just like TP1 and just like TP2. Their whole response will be nothing more than propaganda lapped up by anti-Iranians and regurgitated here.
 
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I also don't know where these estimates of 200m CEP come from for the latest Iranian ballistic missiles. We saw accurate hits on hangars and also runways and to this day the Zio-US does not release damage done to Tel-Nof where we saw a massive secondary explosion.
I tried to be generous with 200m CEP but since some clueless propaganda posters here continue to prefer to bury their head in the sand and glorify 'psychological victories' of using 200 ballistic missiles to destroy 2 hangars:

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"Adding more missiles on target would only further reduce the range by small amounts. Why? Because of the number of overshoots. If we were to simply exclude those (points 5, 15, 16, 17, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, and 32) from the dataset, the CEP would become better, but still not great. I crunched the numbers a bunch of times playing with removing overshoots and assuming less likely target points, and in no simulation does the CEP of these missiles break 500 meters. I think a real CEP of around 800-900 meters is the likeliest scenario here given the data. Even under the most favorable set of assumptions for Iran, Iranian ballistic missiles clearly do not have precision accuracy."

"The bottom line here is that, even under a set of assumptions that are most favorable to Iranian missiles, you cannot get results from the data that suggest these missiles are capable of economic counterforce targeting"

"Their long-range missiles are simply too inaccurate to match the sort of precision strikes we saw on October 25th. This suggests – as I think we’ve already seen recently – that there are hard limits on the deterrence benefits of Iranian missile forces. If you can only credibly threaten cities, then you can’t threaten targets that you could hit at lower rungs of the escalation ladder. This means you aren’t really able to effectively deter low level tit-for-tat conflicts like the one Israel and Iran are currently embroiled in. The result is that Iran and Israel may be stuck in a small stability-instability paradox, as Israel is clearly not willing to use nuclear weapons to respond to or deter Iranian missile strikes, and Iranian missile strikes are only really going to be effective at targets you attack at very high levels of escalation and thus are not capable at deterring Israel. This suggests that Israel and Iran trading missiles is going to be a long running problem going forward."

This could change if Iran produces missiles capable of striking counterforce targets. Once Iran proves it can destroy a large number of Israeli F-35s with conventional missiles, their missile forces will begin to pose a serious threat to Israel at low levels of escalation. But until Iran makes those improvements, we’re stuck here.

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I tried to be generous with 200m CEP but since some clueless propaganda posters here continue to prefer to bury their head in the sand and glorify 'psychological victories' of using 200 ballistic missiles to destroy 2 hangars:

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He is in no position to make that claim as he does not know what the targets were.

Assume that the targets were buildings and runways then we have 5-8 that hit their targets.

Also why is this dude assuming that Iran used its most modern and most accurate missiles as there could be different missiles that impacted on that airbase?

We could have had a range of CEPs from 500m all the way down to 30m in that attack on that airbase.
 
He is in no position to make that claim as he does not know what the targets were.

Assume that the targets were buildings and runways then we have 5-8 that hit their targets.

Also why is this dude assuming that Iran used its most modern and most accurate missiles as there could be different missiles that impacted on that airbase?

We could have had a range of CEPs from 500m all the way down to 30m in that attack on that airbase.
even with favourable target assumptions the CEP is 500m

Iran released videos of the missiles used. majority were advanced Kheibar Shekan-1 and 2, which are both very new missiles
 
even with favourable target assumptions the CEP is 500m

Iran released videos of the missiles used. majority were advanced Kheibar Shekan-1 and 2, which are both very new missiles


I can tell you that 500m CEP would have resulted in zero hits on runways and hangars, assuming those were the targets.

Statistically it would be like walking to the shops and being struck by lighting twice. Possible but extremely unlikely.

Remember that a 500m CEP means that only 50% of the missiles would have landed within 500m of the intended point of impact.
 
I can tell you that 500m CEP would have resulted in zero hits on runways and hangars, assuming those were the targets.

Statistically it would be like walking to the shops and being struck by lighting twice. Possible but extremely unlikely.

Remember that a 500m CEP means that only 50% of the missiles would have landed within 500m of the intended point of impact.
I encourage you to read the analysis in full before offering your own
 
I can tell you that 500m CEP would have resulted in zero hits on runways and hangars, assuming those were the targets.

Statistically it would be like walking to the shops and being struck by lighting twice. Possible but extremely unlikely.

Remember that a 500m CEP means that only 50% of the missiles would have landed within 500m of the intended point of impact.
Correct! The only sources ('analyses') are anti-Iranian propaganda ones.
 
I encourage you to read the analysis in full before offering your own


Ok I will read it but he better show high statistical analysis capability for me to take him seriously.

The problem is that two people making slightly different assumptions in target set and how many of the more modern missiles used can come to wildly different CEP estimates.
 

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