Bangladesh military officials express interest in JF-17 Thunder fighter jet

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Bangladesh however doesn't have a potent air force, A.D or a ability to strike at targets
Bangladesh needs to as a basic go for air force with numbers, and good numbers of J10s or JF17s may be a better option then 5th gen platforms
Solid multilayer A.D
And something like Pakistans Fateh series of missiles to target the enemy
This is not even mention the army or navy where Bangladesh would do well so get multiple subs to protect it's coast

The BD Muslims are slowly coming to senses after decades of remaining in a deep comma. So, it'll take little time. But, be assured that the BD Muslims will make it even it takes tons of hiccups and setbacks....

Every year Hasina & her gang of bastards used to siphon off around 10b$. Couple it with another 10b$ that the Bharati illegal workers in BD repatriate. It'll Insha'Allah come to an end once a Muslim government gets elected. The BD Muslims have learnt their lessons. They won't reelect the "usual corrupts". And, they've an alternative this time....

 

[Quwa]

If we look at the distances, neither Pakistan nor Bangladesh has the space to remove their air units from the reach of any half-way efficient medium-sized air force with stand-off weapons.

Let me put a hypothetical example before you - applicable to both countries.

If extensive reconnaissance by drones is undertaken, on a thorough coverage of the territory, is it not possible to take sightings of the units sought to be neutralised and use a distant, turbo-prop bomb truck to eliminate the target? Every component of this fanciful kill chain is proven and existent, at low cost.

The obvious point is that both Pakistan and Bangladesh can use this precise same plan against their tormentor. But that is not a bad thing, is it? Mutually assured destruction?

IMO the KAI FA-50 would be far more scalable and, possibly, operationally cost effective in numbers than the JF-17. I'd go as far as reckon ROK can supply a large number of these to the BAF than PAC can with the JF-17.

It'd be better for the BAF to order like 60 FA-50s (with Grifo E AESA radars) with an offset component with ROK. Perhaps that can set the groundwork for the KF-21 a bit further down the line.

 

[Joe Shearer]

IMO the KAI FA-50 would be far more scalable and, possibly, operationally cost effective in numbers than the JF-17. I'd go as far as reckon ROK can supply a large number of these to the BAF than PAC can with the JF-17.

It'd be better for the BAF to order like 60 FA-50s (with Grifo E AESA radars) with an offset component with ROK. Perhaps that can set the groundwork for the KF-21 a bit further down the line.

THAT is sound advice!

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

IMO the KAI FA-50 would be far more scalable and, possibly, operationally cost effective in numbers than the JF-17. I'd go as far as reckon ROK can supply a large number of these to the BAF than PAC can with the JF-17.

It'd be better for the BAF to order like 60 FA-50s (with Grifo E AESA radars) with an offset component with ROK. Perhaps that can set the groundwork for the KF-21 a bit further down the line.

The whole idea is to develop a synergy with the Pak and Turkish military industrial complexes to start building one in BD. Not to mention to take it to the strategic alliance level. BD has enough non-Muslim countries at her borders. Why to go to Korea?

 

[ronaldo]

IMO the KAI FA-50 would be far more scalable and, possibly, operationally cost effective in numbers than the JF-17. I'd go as far as reckon ROK can supply a large number of these to the BAF than PAC can with the JF-17.

It'd be better for the BAF to order like 60 FA-50s (with Grifo E AESA radars) with an offset component with ROK. Perhaps that can set the groundwork for the KF-21 a bit further down the line.

The FA-50 is an advanced trainer and light attack aircraft. BAF already operates a significant number of similar training and light attack aircraft, so adding FA-50s to the mix does not improve BAF.

In contrast, the JF-17 and J-10 are far more capable platforms. Procuring these aircraft would also foster better operational synergies between PAF and BAF. Additionally, if equipped with Turkish munitions, the JF-17 and J-10 would be sufficiently capable to counter advanced platforms like the Su-30 and Rafale.

 

[Quwa]

The FA-50 is an advanced trainer and light attack aircraft. BAF already operates a significant number of similar training and light attack aircraft, so adding FA-50s to the mix does not improve BAF.

In contrast, the JF-17 and J-10 are far more capable platforms. Procuring these aircraft would also foster better operational synergies between PAF and BAF. Additionally, if equipped with Turkish munitions, the JF-17 and J-10 would be sufficiently capable to counter advanced platforms like the Su-30 and Rafale.

FA-50 is as technologically capable as the JF-17C (AESA radar, HMD/S, ECM, BVR, PGB, ALCM, etc) and likely more cost effective due to South Korea's industrial might and commitment to the program.

Yes, if only China was making the JF-17, then I'd imagine the costs would be much more competitive. But PAC won't match KAI on delivery and cost efficiency, nor would Pakistan offer good offset deals

Granted, my presumption with the FA-50 was that it'd also replace the BAF's Yak-130 in the LIFT role. Don't let it being based on a trainer throw you off from its capability, it's solid.

And for what it's worth, a single seat variant with a combat radius improvement of 30% is also under development.

IMO... Start with the FA-50 (both single and dual seat). Use it to revamp your training, ops capability, etc. It'll be solid prep for the KF-21 down the line.

South Korea readies single-seat FA-50 development - Asian Military Review

South Korea's Ministry of Trade, Industry and Energy MOTIE plans to fund development of KAI's single-seat FA-50 variant.

www.asianmilitaryreview.com

 

[Ak01]

IMO the KAI FA-50 would be far more scalable and, possibly, operationally cost effective in numbers than the JF-17. I'd go as far as reckon ROK can supply a large number of these to the BAF than PAC can with the JF-17.

It'd be better for the BAF to order like 60 FA-50s (with Grifo E AESA radars) with an offset component with ROK. Perhaps that can set the groundwork for the KF-21 a bit further down the line.

But the issue that we had, once again arises- What will equip the aircraft?

Raytheon switched production to the 120C8 and 120D3 now fully, both reserved only for top level US allies. I dont know if BD would be given access to either of these missiles.

Leaves Meteor, MICA and Gokdogan(kinda?)

Meteor i feel is iffy, i dont know how comfortable Europe would be with Meteor in BD. Plus India likely has some sway on MBDA in terms of offering Meteor to BD/Pak. Also, in terms of hardware limitations vs cost, i think meteor would be an overly hardkill and under utilized solution paired with Grifo.

MICA is an option, but it all depends on India's take, naturally, they have large influence with the French at the minute, but perhaps India could sign off on MICA- this could be an option but im skeptical.

Gokdogan- Possible, but also unlikely, i believe theyre only just being inducted into the TuAF, i doubt theres going to be much appetite for this at the moment anywhere. Will also need to fulfil TuAF orders first.

I think it will create a headache.

 

[Quwa]

But the issue that we had, once again arises- What will equip the aircraft?

Raytheon switched production to the 120C8 and 120D3 now fully, both reserved only for top level US allies. I dont know if BD would be given access to either of these missiles.

Leaves Meteor, MICA and Gokdogan(kinda?)

Meteor i feel is iffy, i dont know how comfortable Europe would be with Meteor in BD. Plus India likely has some sway on MBDA in terms of offering Meteor to BD/Pak. Also, in terms of hardware limitations vs cost, i think meteor would be an overly hardkill and under utilized solution paired with Grifo.

MICA is an option, but it all depends on India's take, naturally, they have large influence with the French at the minute, but perhaps India could sign off on MICA- this could be an option but im skeptical.

Gokdogan- Possible, but also unlikely, i believe theyre only just being inducted into the TuAF, i doubt theres going to be much appetite for this at the moment anywhere. Will also need to fulfil TuAF orders first.

I think it will create a headache.

I think the Turkish AAMs are tenable. Sure, they're a few years out, but so would the first tranche of any new BAF fighter delivery. It'd take some coordination and pushing, but I can see the Turks synergizing with the Koreans on this issue -- a win-win (gives ROK an ITAR-free weapons suite, helps the Turkish munitions enter lots of markets).

I also wouldn't discount indigenous ROK AAMs. Up to this point, they never really had an important customer demand an alternative munitions suite. However, the BAF could be that customer.

Moreover, I don't think Bangladesh should move itself towards China (or even Pakistan) so quickly, at least not on defence. They can still engage the Koreans and Turks, and in both cases, get good deals both in direct cost and wider benefits, be it economic or ToT for local maintenance support and production.

IMO the South Koreans can probably offer the best overall package if we take costs, ToT and commercial offsets all into account. Turks can be a solid No. 2, and in this sense, an early push into the TAI Hurjet could be interesting.

 

[Ak01]

FA-50 is as technologically capable as the JF-17C (AESA radar, HMD/S, ECM, BVR, PGB, ALCM, etc) and likely more cost effective due to South Korea's industrial might and commitment to the program.

Yes, if only China was making the JF-17, then I'd imagine the costs would be much more competitive. But PAC won't match KAI on delivery and cost efficiency, nor would Pakistan offer good offset deals

Granted, my presumption with the FA-50 was that it'd also replace the BAF's Yak-130 in the LIFT role. Don't let it being based on a trainer throw you off from its capability, it's solid.

And for what it's worth, a single seat variant with a combat radius improvement of 30% is also under development.

IMO... Start with the FA-50 (both single and dual seat). Use it to revamp your training, ops capability, etc. It'll be solid prep for the KF-21 down the line.

South Korea readies single-seat FA-50 development - Asian Military Review

South Korea's Ministry of Trade, Industry and Energy MOTIE plans to fund development of KAI's single-seat FA-50 variant.

www.asianmilitaryreview.com

Im not so sure the cost efficiency or delivery times could be matched.

It seems the PAF is more than happy to divert its airframes to export customers like Azerbaijan- which makes sense, PAF was only dripfeeding orders to PAC to keep it running, with a peak output of 24 airframes a year. I think if the opportunity arose, PAF would divert its airframes on the line to BAF too, if there is any left after the Azeris bought the ones on the line.

In terms of cost, Poland paid 68 million per airframe i believe. That included Raytheon's Phantomstrike and also likely the cost of integrating AMRAAMs(?), so certainly not cheap. I suspect a block 3 configuration of the JF-17 would be a decent amount off of this.

Integrating Grifo means BD will have to absorb that cost, then also the cost of missiles and other systems, probably causing this number to balloon. Also Polish airbases were likely well suited for the aircraft due to them operating falcons. So some cost saved there. I suspect, a BD order of the FA50 with a new AESA and AAM would cost in excess of $70m/ac.

The Polish configuration is an option, it has everything theyd want anyway, but the issue arises, would the USA allow the sale of AMRAAMs? Im inclined to say no. They seem to be of the view that BD does not need such advanced systems. This same thought process makes me think theyd also have objections with the sale of Phantomstrike and Sniper ATP etc.

Overall, a BD buy of the FA50 would likely be a pain, with many modifications and jugaad needed to get something to the level of the JF-17C. Not even the base FA50, with the APG66 would be provided with AMRAAMs to BD, theyre in a real pickle. It will have to be JF-17C, Russian or a big ticket European purchase- but now with the new govt, again, the India factor is at play.

 

[Ak01]

I think the Turkish AAMs are tenable. Sure, they're a few years out, but so would the first tranche of any new BAF fighter delivery. It'd take some coordination and pushing, but I can see the Turks synergizing with the Koreans on this issue -- a win-win (gives ROK an ITAR-free weapons suite, helps the Turkish munitions enter lots of markets).

I also wouldn't discount indigenous ROK AAMs. Up to this point, they never really had an important customer demand an alternative munitions suite. However, the BAF could be that customer.

Moreover, I don't think Bangladesh should move itself towards China (or even Pakistan) so quickly, at least not on defence. They can still engage the Koreans and Turks, and in both cases, get good deals both in direct cost and wider benefits, be it economic or ToT for local maintenance support and production.

IMO the South Koreans can probably offer the best overall package if we take costs, ToT and commercial offsets all into account. Turks can be a solid No. 2, and in this sense, an early push into the TAI Hurjet could be interesting.

I dont think the ROK has any domestic AAM programs at the minute?

I believe most of their SAM developments stemmed from collaboration from AA via the KSAM.

It would just be adding extra cost and complexity to the project IMO. I could see a KSAAM derived AAM being thrown into the mix, it would actually be a seriously capable missile, but, the issue again arises.

What do we do with sensors. I believe its either Israeli, American or Korean (soon?)- but in terms of cost:capabilities, is it worth the additional expense in integration and development of a fresh missile suite (though im sure ROK will absorb this cost). If this is a long term project, then yes, mixing in the Koreans and waiting for their Radar and Weapons combo may be worth it, but it all depends if uncle Sam gives the green light, which, im not so confident about.

I suspect BD will be pushed into the lap of the east further by American policies on exports to them. But who knows with Trump

 

[ronaldo]

FA-50 is as technologically capable as the JF-17C (AESA radar, HMD/S, ECM, BVR, PGB, ALCM, etc) and likely more cost effective due to South Korea's industrial might and commitment to the program.

Yes, if only China was making the JF-17, then I'd imagine the costs would be much more competitive. But PAC won't match KAI on delivery and cost efficiency, nor would Pakistan offer good offset deals

Granted, my presumption with the FA-50 was that it'd also replace the BAF's Yak-130 in the LIFT role. Don't let it being based on a trainer throw you off from its capability, it's solid.

And for what it's worth, a single seat variant with a combat radius improvement of 30% is also under development.

IMO... Start with the FA-50 (both single and dual seat). Use it to revamp your training, ops capability, etc. It'll be solid prep for the KF-21 down the line.

South Korea readies single-seat FA-50 development - Asian Military Review

South Korea's Ministry of Trade, Industry and Energy MOTIE plans to fund development of KAI's single-seat FA-50 variant.

www.asianmilitaryreview.com

Its a good platform no doubt. One problem I see is sanctions restricting its effectiveness. However, it is a more expensive option for sure. Poland signed a contract for 3 billion for it and other hardware. BD will not get the best munitions, it will face engine delays, it will sign the contract and then, hours before delivery, they will make up an excuse. And the jets you paid for using hard earned foreign reserves will be stored in cold storage forever. Or maybe, this time its different.

 

[mulj]

Given every inch of BD can be reached by short range missiles - first thing India will do is destroy the airforce.

Even Iran showed it can knockout the IAF if it wanted.

Bangladesh’s only defence strategy against India is guerrilla warfare.

Conventional warfare wouldn’t last a fortnight.

India would knockout strategic infrastructure in a week. Then blockade Chittagong.

I understand that they are bigger country but you are lucky that they are still technologically far beyond so you are able to develope some counter measures. I get that guerilla thing but that is the way of warfare when you do not have any other means to fight and as last resort.
If you project your own armed forces as hidden third front against bharatia, i think you have many interesting options for doing such but all that is irrelevant before you reach economic stability and growth sustainability.

 

[Afif]

I dont think the ROK has any domestic AAM programs at the minute?

I believe most of their SAM developments stemmed from collaboration from AA via the KSAM.

It would just be adding extra cost and complexity to the project IMO. I could see a KSAAM derived AAM being thrown into the mix, it would actually be a seriously capable missile, but, the issue again arises.

What do we do with sensors. I believe its either Israeli, American or Korean (soon?)- but in terms of cost:capabilities, is it worth the additional expense in integration and development of a fresh missile suite (though im sure ROK will absorb this cost). If this is a long term project, then yes, mixing in the Koreans and waiting for their Radar and Weapons combo may be worth it, but it all depends if uncle Sam gives the green light, which, im not so confident about.

I suspect BD will be pushed into the lap of the east further by American policies on exports to them. But who knows with Trump

Koreans has an ongoing indigenous BVR weapon program (Meteor like) that they want to put in service by 2035.

I think, if we are buying light systems, we should go for Hurjet. With MURAD-100A paired with Gokdogan + Gokhan, it offers good BVR solutions in a 2/3 years down the line. (BD doesn't have money right now anyway)

 

[UKBengali]

Billions of US dollars on inducting another 4th generation platform?

BD can just buy like 16 refurbished Mig-29s for around 300 million US dollars with weapons package and it will be “plug and play”.
S Korea? US vassal and the engine is US.

For strategic reasons and capability the planes must come from China and Turkey.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Billions of US dollars on inducting another 4th generation platform?

BD can just buy like 16 refurbished Mig-29s for around 300 million US dollars with weapons package and it will be “plug and play”.
S Korea? US vassal and the engine is US.

For strategic reasons and capability the planes must come from China and Turkey.

At that rate, BD will have more platforms than aircrafts lol

Just crazy!

BD can afford to wait for 5th gen and should. And it must be Muslim made.

Don’t buy anymore crap from unreliable countries.

I don’t trust China in a war against Burma.

China needs Burma a lot more than it needs BD.