PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[mythbuster]

1. The Pakistan Army's procurement methods are not peculiar and it continues to follow basic rules. The Chinese military operates on a completely different model from that of the West. China, in turn, is the main supplier of military equipment to Pakistan, which results in Pakistan's military procurement being slightly different from that of Western countries. But it still follows the traditional pattern.
The J-10CE did not come out of nowhere. In fact, PAF started approaching CAC for procurement of J-10 series fighters many years ago.

2, J-10CE is a 4th Gen fighter, its maintenance is not much different from JF-17. But 5th Gen fighters are totally different. the J-35 needs dedicated hangar parking.

3, 5th Gen fighter is an information node of the modern combat system, advanced command system is the nerve center, high-speed data chain is the connecting line. Leaving the data chain and command system of the 5th Gen fighter, its combat effectiveness is far lower than the 4th Gen fighter.
Of course, these infrastructures don't usually get much official press. As a result, it's hard to know what level of capability the PAF is at right now in this area.
“A-fire B-guidance” is an important signature capability of the high-speed bi-directional data link for operational use. We know that the J-10C+PL-15 combination has this capability. However, PAF has not yet demonstrated this capability with the J-10CE+PL-15E combination. Some sources suggest that the JF-17B3 also has this capability, but we have not seen PAF actually demonstrate this capability either.
“A-fire B-guidance”. The “A” here is the fighter, and the wider the range of the “B” here, the wider the use of the high-speed two-way data link, and the greater the capability of the advanced command system.

4. Many of the tactical capabilities demonstrated by PLAAF's J-10C are not demonstrated by PAF's J-10CE. I'm not sure if this is an adjustment PAF made when customizing the J-10CE? Or PAF's current base platform is difficult to support? Anyway, we need to see further. With what PAF has shown so far, PAF is currently only just entering the threshold of the 4th Gen fighter platform, and there is still a long way to go with the 4.5th Gen fighter platform.
At this stage of PAF, the 5th Gen fighter platform is still just a dream. Even if PAF gets the J-35 right away, it can only use it as a 4th Gen fighter and cannot utilize the capabilities of the J-35.
It's like, I bought a HUAWEI Mate XT phone and took it to Balochistan, Pakistan to use it. What do you think I can do with this state of the art phone?

It may sound arrogant but I will say it ....just a few years ago PAF was teaching you how to fly .

 

[mythbuster]

It may sound arrogant but I will say it ....just a few years ago PAF was teaching you how to fly .

With apologies to all down to earth folks .

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

O acha you just proved my point plus also proved you have no clue about PAF and how we induct things. J 10 C number in use is way above 20.

Are you sure? We haven't seen any pictures of PAF J-10CEs with serial numbers suggesting more than 20 operational aircraft in Pakistan.

 

[BappaRawal25]

O acha you just proved my point plus also proved you have no clue about PAF and how we induct things. J 10 C number in use is way above 20.

If you go through the document, it will tell you why you cannot afford more than 20 in the first place. For a 1.5 billion dollar deal, Pakistan is having to take a loan from a Chinese bank that has a 4.15 percent interest rate per year. Why would China offer you additional J-10CE?

Even with J-35, which is a twin engine jet, there is no way PAF will be able to afford it unless it starts to retire the F-16s and Mirages in its inventory currently. The economics are not in your favor, unless China is willing to sell them at discounted rates.

 

[PakAl]

If you go through the document, it will tell you why you cannot afford more than 20 in the first place. For a 1.5 billion dollar deal, Pakistan is having to take a loan from a Chinese bank that has a 4.15 percent interest rate per year. Why would China offer you additional J-10CE?

Even with J-35, which is a twin engine jet, there is no way PAF will be able to afford it unless it starts to retire the F-16s and Mirages in its inventory currently. The economics are not in your favor, unless China is willing to sell them at discounted rates.

When J10C is needed Paf will buy it, at the moment 20J10Cs, 150+ jf17s, 76 F16s are enough to protect against Indian aggression.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

why would we be worried? PLAAF has close to 300+ J20 in service, yet they have no plans to take any aggressive actions in Eastern Ladakh or Arunachal beyond low-level skirmishes. In fact, they came to terms with a border agreement just last year. It’s not like we forced their hands. I guess they know better than armchair enthusiasts.

PLAAF has no aggression plan but IAF does like to enter other's Air space and wants to take tea free of cost. So, such kind of PAF achievements can stop IAF forced entery.

 

[BappaRawal25]

When J10C is needed Paf will buy it, at the moment 20J10Cs, 150+ jf17s, 76 F16s are enough to protect against Indian aggression.

J-35 is a twin engine jet. For the record, in PAF’s history, it has never operated a twin engine jet due to the cost associated with its operations and maintenance. For it to be a reality, you will have to forego the Mirages and F-16s, otherwise the PAF budget has to be increased, which is also not going to happen.

 

[BappaRawal25]

PLAAF has no aggression plan but IAF does like to enter other's Air space and wants to take tea free of cost. So, such kind of PAF achievements can stop IAF forced entery.

My point is that 5th generation fighter jet does not guarantee a victory on its own, but it does make the enemy’s life difficult.

 

[BappaRawal25]

I wouldn't bet on RAW's info. Like many "other" spy agencies in the region it is more inclined toward covert ops and counter-intel then info espionage and info analysis. However, number of military assets on both sides - except for nukes, of course - is fairly well estimated in the open-sources.

Between covert ops and info gathering, it’s fairly even when it comes to R&AW activities in Pakistan, which has been its historical area of interest, R&AW hasn’t had similar competency when it comes to China though, which is being rectified now. It will be a slow, gradual process though.

 

[TopGun786]

If you go through the document, it will tell you why you cannot afford more than 20 in the first place. For a 1.5 billion dollar deal, Pakistan is having to take a loan from a Chinese bank that has a 4.15 percent interest rate per year. Why would China offer you additional J-10CE?

Even with J-35, which is a twin engine jet, there is no way PAF will be able to afford it unless it starts to retire the F-16s and Mirages in its inventory currently. The economics are not in your favor, unless China is willing to sell them at discounted rates.

You earned title of next big joker on pdf.
Keep it up man.

 

[TopGun786]

J-35 is a twin engine jet. For the record, in PAF’s history, it has never operated a twin engine jet due to the cost associated with its operations and maintenance. For it to be a reality, you will have to forego the Mirages and F-16s, otherwise the PAF budget has to be increased, which is also not going to happen.

That is not your concern.
But may be I am wrong as I can see you are having sleepless nights and panic attacks.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

J-35 wont come before the 2030s. It makes no sense for China to invest in another land based 5th gen fighter when they already have J20 to improve upon. For carrier operations, there is a requirement but will they make the structural modifications to convert it for land operations for one export customer? Seems to be far-fetched unless Pakistan has invested money in that process.

Dude China will need second 5th gen jet to complement with J20, J20 is way way more expensive ( 120 million $$$) then upcoming J35 for PLAAF (projected unit price will be 80-85 million $$$), China want high-low combos of 5th gen jets like F-22/F35 combo

And as for one customer theory is ridiculous and absurd lot of middle eastern countries like KSA/UAE showed the interest in J35 recently because USA is reluctant/reject to sell F35 to those countries because fear from Israel

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

How many do you estimate are currently in the PAF fleet, initial and only known order so far was for 32 - 36 (somewhere around that?)

20 is the official figure sir and don't take @Zarvan seriously he just a clown

 

[Abid123]

20 is the official figure sir and don't take @Zarvan seriously he just a clown

It is not. The only clown here is you.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

J-35 is a twin engine jet. For the record, in PAF’s history, it has never operated a twin engine jet due to the cost associated with its operations and maintenance. For it to be a reality, you will have to forego the Mirages and F-16s, otherwise the PAF budget has to be increased, which is also not going to happen.

Lol you're wrong PAF operated twin engine jets in past J-6 (Chinese version of Soviet Mig-19) and A-5 attack jets both were twin engine jets