Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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Those who want to leave Gaza should leave. Allah Almighty allows believers to migrate in the face of oppression (The Quran, Surah An-Nisa, 4-97; 4-98; 4-99; 4-100; 4-101; 4-102; 4-103; 4-104). Other countries should allow people in Gaza to leave if they want to on humanitarian grounds and as per Islamic principles.

Those who choose to stay and fight, up to them. Allah Almighty is best judge.
 
Those who want to leave Gaza should leave. Allah Almighty allows believers to migrate in the face of oppression (The Quran, Surah An-Nisa, 4-97; 4-98; 4-99; 4-100; 4-101; 4-102; 4-103; 4-104). Other countries should allow people in Gaza to leave if they want to on humanitarian grounds and as per Islamic principles.

Those who choose to stay and fight, up to them. Allah Almighty is best judge.

That has been my position halfway through this conflict, especially after witnessing the ineptness of the Muslim world's reaction. I see no point in the Palestinians wasting their lives while the regional Arab countries are simply using them as cannon fodder to prevent the conflict from reaching their borders. They use this conflict to stay relevant in the public eye; while they think people can be fooled, they are just fooling themselves. The Sultan of Turkey similarly uses Islam as a guise for political motives.

My final point will withstand the test of time: The regional Arabs are simply afraid of losing their positions.
 
The Prophet (PBUH) traced his lineage to the Jurhum tribe from Yemen, who offered shelter to Hajar, the mother of Ismail. I believe Ismail eventually married into the Jurhum tribe.
No, Prophet Muhammad (saws) was a Hejazi Arab. On both his paternal and maternal side. As well as an Adnani Arab. No relation to Yemen.

Besides Prophet Muhammad (saws) blessed Hejaz more than any other region. As he did with all of Arabia and Yemen is merely just 1 of many regions of Arabia.

That has been my position halfway through this conflict, especially after witnessing the ineptness of the Muslim world's reaction. I see no point in the Palestinians wasting their lives while the regional Arab countries are simply using them as cannon fodder to prevent the conflict from reaching their borders. They use this conflict to stay relevant in the public eye; while they think people can be fooled, they are just fooling themselves. The Sultan of Turkey similarly uses Islam as a guise for political motives.

My final point will withstand the test of time: The regional Arabs are simply afraid of losing their positions.

Without Arabs there would be no Palestinians and Palestine since 1948. No, Arabs are not going to commit collective suicide by declaring an all-out war with Israel, USA and NATO while all the other Muslims are sitting back and doing nothing. Such an all-out war would need a collective Muslim action. Is Pakistan ready and willing? Is Turkey ready and willing? Is Indonesia ready and willing? Is Iran ready and willing? We all know the answers.

If you are a Muslim, the liberation of Palestine and Al-Quds is not about ethnicity or sect. If you think it is just an Arab matter you are not a Muslim and since you are neither an Arab you should have the decency not to care and not meddle if the only thing you can do from the US (the country that enables the Zionists to do what they are doing without consequences) is what you and your friends are doing here, which is to obsess about 550 million Arabs and 20 + Arab nations. You guys are really better off CHEERING for the Zionists in my opinion. At least by openly doing that and admitting to actually doing you can continue the constant insults aimed at Arabs. I think that you would feel better.

As if God is going to answer their prayers. Before the Battle of Badr, the Prophet prayed for victory, but the key point is that he made his move, took up arms against the odds, and then left it to God.

You all pray, and pray more, and condemn and ask those who provide weapons to Israel to stop it (the irony); words without actions are meaningless.

I remember a video from several months into the conflict where a Palestinian said, "We don't need your prayers; we need weapons."
Are you now going to deny the importance of prayers? Not sure if serious or if a Muslim?

And how is KSA going to send weapons magically when KSA does not border Palestine/Israel directly and when the only Arab territory that borders Gaza directly (Egypt) have been actively closing smuggling routes to Gaza because of their fear for the MB and also because of militancy/terrorism (ISIS) in Sinai?

And what kind of weapons that ANYBODY within the Muslim world could send, how would that even remotely change the battlefield and strength comparisons when Israel has the constant and full backing of the US/NATO/combined West?

If the Zionists are even remotely in fear of being militarily defeated the US/NATO/West would jump right in to save them. Even the Russians, I would suspect due to the heavy Jewish influence in Russia. Half of the European Zionists in Israel are Russians.

There is no military solution currently, how many times must this simple and logical fact be stated? The solution can only be a political one, UNLESS the Zionists are somehow removed from power in the US and West. Which again is not something that Arabs in the Arab world can do or Muslims sitting in Indonesia. Fairly logical as well.
 
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Look at the title and look at what you guys are posting.
Anymore religious or off topic posts will be removed. Cut it out guys -
Ruining the thread with lectures that aren’t applicable or necessary here
 
@PakFactor

In 1948, if not for the Arab intervention, today there would be no 20-25% of Arabs within Israel proper and there would be no Palestine (the little that is now left) left at all. If not for the Arab intervention back then, the Zionists would have committed a full scale nabka and expelled/killed all Palestinians from Palestine. On the other hand today in 2025, Palestinians make up the majority of the population. Not to mention Arab states hosting millions of Palestinians.

Same thing about the ethnic cleansing in Gaza, if not for the strong stance of Egypt and rest of Arabs, the Zionists (along with the US) would have tried to forcefully deport the Palestinians to Sinai. Or Jordan. Or KSA. Or Lebanon or Syria. They are openly talking about it and working towards it.

Now as for directly attacking nuclear-armed Israel and by default USA/West/NATO, I don't think it is honest or realistic to expect Arabs to do such a thing (without the collective support from all Muslims - would such a support arrive in the first place - it did not arrive in 1948 or later direct confrontations), and as I wrote it would be a collective suicide, militarily, economically etc. and in fact probably just accelerate the "Greater Israel" project.

The solution must be multilayered. Political, demographical, militarily (as in getting stronger on this front and working towards a combined Arab and Muslim reply on this front in a worst case scenario - I do not see that currently really) etc.

But as I have written 1 billion times already and many others, the key to a solution of this conflict lies in Washington DC.

If you remove the support for Israel from abroad, I believe that Palestinians alone will deal with the Zionists let alone rest of the Arabs or Muslims. We have seen that in direct combat, the Zionists, despite contrary claims and much propaganda, are not any better soldiers let alone more brave. It is only their technological advantage (courtesy of outsiders) that make them even remotely successful in the first place. I am not impressed by their military ability at all.
 
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Those who choose to stay and fight, up to them. Allah Almighty is best judge.

Those who 'choose to stay and fight' a superpower need help. The Muslim countries are no match militarily, but they are not even willing to help them by inflicting economic costs on their enemies. On the contrary, many Muslim countries are actively helping their enemies by allowing trade transit and military bases.
 
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USA/Trump have given the Zionists and Shaitanyahud a carte blanche to do what they want to do. They did not respect the signed ceasefire and violated it on numerous occasions as expected. The vile creatures are even banning vital medical supplies from reaching Gaza as of today again.

I am uncomfortable at criticizing any particular nation (Muslim) as collectively the entire Muslim world has failed but 120 million big Egypt, next door, the only Arab and Muslim country directly neighbouring Gaza, simply needs to do more here. In particular given how large and powerful the Egyptian military is. Arabs and Muslims should assure full militarily, economic and political support for Egypt. This impunity cannot go on. We need Egyptian/Arab/Muslim boots on the ground in Gaza to prevent the demons from continuing their massacres without much consequences.

Hamas cannot do much any longer militarily and people should not expect much from them in the current state. It is unrealistic and dishonest.
 
Those who 'choose to stay and fight' a superpower need help. The Muslim countries are no match militarily, but they are not even willing to help them by inflicting economic costs on their enemies. On the contrary, many Muslim countries are actively helping their enemies by allowing trade transit and military bases.
You are right but I can understand that some countries do not want to be dragged into this mess or their options are limited. At this stage, my take is humanitarian - all innocent in Gaza do not deserve horrors that befell them and should be allowed to leave if they want to. Whatever becomes of this land is in the hands of Allah Almighty. He has power of everything. Take care of yourself, bro. Good wishes for you and your family.
 
You are right but I can understand that some countries do not want to be dragged into this mess or their options are limited. At this stage, my take is humanitarian - all innocent in Gaza do not deserve horrors that befell them and should be allowed to leave if they want to. Whatever becomes of this land is in the hands of Allah Almighty. He has power of everything. Take care of yourself, bro. Good wishes for you and your family.
Gazans do not want to leave and should not be leaving. It is not the fault of Gazans that Zionists are behaving like demons. The Zionists are the ones that need to leave Gaza.
 
Gazans do not want to leave and should not be leaving. It is not the fault of Gazans that Zionists are behaving like demons. The Zionists are the ones that need to leave Gaza.
None of us speak for all there or do we? Egypt has sealed the border and does not allow Gazans to leave. Those who want to leave should be allowed to. Those who do not want to, there call.
 
None of us speak for all there or do we? Egypt has sealed the border and does not allow Gazans to leave. Those who want to leave should be allowed to. Those who do not want to, there call.
Egypt, while if anything they have and should have the biggest role in this ongoing tragedy by virtue of geography, their large population, large/powerful army and the fact that most Egyptians are very pro-Palestine and have done enormous sacrifices for Palestine (probably more than anyone else in the modern era - in fact nobody has done more militarily historically) - I have the utmost respect for Egypt and Egyptians and Hejazis have had millennia old ties with Egypt and vice versa (ethnically as well and in terms of intermarriages) but here they have done well in not allowing the ethnic cleansing of Gazans because this is the Zionist plan. They want to throw out the Gazans (do another Nakba) and afterwards prevent them from ever going back. This way they can destroy what is left of Gaza and build new settlements.

It should not be allowed under any circumstances otherwise we might just as well stop talking about Palestine now.

If any Gazans want to leave (I highly doubt this as they better than anyone know what this entails), the Zionists are very eager to facilitate their departure via Israel. They have said publicly so much. I am not aware of any Gazans using this opportunity other than people in need of urgent medical help. But those people do not want to leave permanently.

Why should they? It is their land. BTW, did you know that almost all Gazans are refugees who were originally ethnic cleansed by the Zionists? Most of their origin is in what is today West Bank and occupied Palestine/Israel. Some are native Gazans as well but it is a small minority.
 
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Those who want to leave Gaza should leave. Allah Almighty allows believers to migrate in the face of oppression (The Quran, Surah An-Nisa, 4-97; 4-98; 4-99; 4-100; 4-101; 4-102; 4-103; 4-104). Other countries should allow people in Gaza to leave if they want to on humanitarian grounds and as per Islamic principles.

Those who choose to stay and fight, up to them. Allah Almighty is best judge.

The choice isn't this stark... it isn't and never was between those who leave willingly and the rest, who chose to fight...
About one hundred thousand or more have actually parted Gaza via Egypt... by several different means. There were ones who had family outside, others who could afford.
What in fact you are offering is an extension to what zion/orange offer. Make life hell, so it doesn't remain a choice... it is expulsion and it is ethnic cleansing... You will die or made to leave.

The resistance is small arms, a militia that engages in asymmetrical approach to encroaching or stationed troops. While Zions weapon of choice is its impunity through air in an uncontested controlled environment.

The whole move by Gaza was political, a means to achieve a political goal. To force the hand of powers that be to hear them out and to not decide their fate without having heard their voice. That was smothered and Arabs didn't provide that perch. Our resident Arab is even offended that his sheikhdom is called out often for its part. Owns collective Arab efforts over the millennia to distort and distract from what they're actually engaged in... for image and propaganda purposes.
The end result is to swallow this genocide and once done move on with life...
 
To suggest there is a cease fire and then bomb the crap out of those told they are safe to move back into the rubble is a war crime. These bastards will continue this as there is no one that actually holds them to account. Disgusting
 
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