Deals for 26 Rafale-M jets, three Scorpene submarines to be signed by next month: Navy Chief

[iblini]

Am I saying lie?

Might most people don't understand - why still powerful nations yet inducting 4th ++ aircrafts, even when they already flying 5th gen fighters

you are saying countries are still inducting upgraded 4th gen but I wonder why you are not pointing out the fact that both China and USA are currently inducting way more stealth jets than upgraded 4th, both countries are investing way more in 5th and 6th gen programs than 4th.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

you are saying countries are still inducting upgraded 4th gen but I wonder why you are not point out the fact that both China and USA are currently inducting way more stealth jets than upgraded 4th, both countries are investing way more in 5th and 6th gen programs than 4th.

I said that as well...

Having Both are aircrafts are need today!

No airforce is going to dump 4th gen fighters even they start inducting 6th fighters - both are having own advantages

 

[iblini]

I said that as well...

Having Both are aircrafts are need today!

No airforce is going to dump 4th gen fighters even they start inducting 6th fighters - both are having own advantages

Four gen are workhorse in some countries but in your case they are still the tip of the spear, see the difference?

 

[hussain0216]

These were your words on post 168

"Both the deals to be publicly announced and finalized on 12th February at 1730 GMT by Modi and Macron as per official schedule"

What happened there?

Nothing is signedm, until then no need to jump up and down.

2 extra Phalcons was "done deal"
6 new MMRT A3430s was "done deal"
New Carrier was "done deal"

This deal was "fast tracked" 17 months ago. Go figure....

I think Indians have a habit of turning interest and initial talks that may not go anywhere for a variety of reasons into done deals

 

[harpy1]

I think Indians have a habit of turning interest and initial talks that may not go anywhere for a variety of reasons into done deals

Is this any different to J35 coming soon
Kaan coming
Pakistan joining project

I think the Indian Rafale purchase Marine fighters is a given

I bet the next remark will be it's not fifth generation or it's too expensive or it's too late ...your all predictable

It's a 6 billion dollar purchase
That's half your entire Forex these things take time ...patience sir lol

 

[hussain0216]

Is this any different to J35 coming soon
Kaan coming
Pakistan joining project

I think the Indian Rafale purchase Marine fighters is a given

I bet the next remark will be it's not fifth generation or it's too expensive or it's too late ...your all predictable

It's a 6 billion dollar purchase
That's half your entire Forex these things take time ...patience sir lol

The rafale is predictable for India because you don't really have any other choice

 

[harpy1]

The rafale is predictable for India because you don't really have any other choice

We can buy what we want they are falling over themselves trying to sell their junk

Typhoon legacy F16
Su57
Gripen

We chose the most expensive why because we trust the french equipment it works but wow it costs serious money

 

[Yasser76]

I think Indians have a habit of turning interest and initial talks that may not go anywhere for a variety of reasons into done deals

Yeah, no wonder car salesmen dont take them seriously when they come in and demand attention

 

[harpy1]

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It's all over the news 28th April
I Suspect some people will go Into.hibernation

 

[Yasser76]

I don't live in fantasy -

Try to understand the benefits of 5th generation fighters and where are the advantages.

Only a people who does not have any knowledge can say that 5th generation fighter will dominate everywhere!

As I said - 4th++ aircrafts not going anywhere before 2050, even from USA airforce.

Because 5th generation have advantages of stealth but a lots of depends of scenarios and many things...... Even USA stealth planes was shoot down by older Soviet defence missiles - just for fyi

Yes, every modern air force is going for 5th Gen but IAF knows something we all do not. Grow up man, you are becoming a joke on here

 

[Aziqbal]

India has so many people homeless and no water why spend so much to aid foreign rich nations ?

At least like Pakistan they are not completely subservient to Western powers

 

[Maarkhoor]

French known to have reputation of giving best commission.

 

[harpy1]

Yeah, no wonder car salesmen dont take them seriously when they come in and demand attention

We do not pay much attention to your cry wolfe Doom.gloom.comments either

 

[harpy1]

Back to the topic in recently did a chat gpt war simulation india Pak with current inventorys
The Rafale was scoring kill ratios of 8-1 over the thunders and F16s in ten day war sim based on attritional losses we factored in Pak superiority in AWACS too I even reduced the nos to 300 fighters each
India gained Air superiority on day 8
Rafale was the beast well supported by the big fleet of 150 flankers with Astra Bvr and the s400 systems

The point being this scenario had just 36 Rafales taking part we lost 5 over the ten days
Now imagine double that number nearly when marine Rafale arrives is my main point

There is nothing I mean nothing that stands up to Rafale in Pak inventory the j10c in the SIM had similar kill ratio to block 52 only
Early F16 and block 1 and 2 thunders really struggled as did the mig29 and Tejas mark 1

 

[harpy1]

J-10C vs Rafale – Face-to-Face Performance


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Combat Outcome Estimation

In BVR:

Rafale wins ~70–80% of direct engagements, thanks to Meteor’s greater no-escape zone, SPECTRA jamming, and better fusion of radar + IRST.

J-10C’s PL-15 is longer-ranged, but without equivalent ECM or sensor fusion, it’s easier for Rafale to spoof or notch.

SPECTRA likely jams or blinds KLJ-7A’s lock range in real-world scenarios.


In WVR:

Very close match. Both are canard-delta, high-alpha fighters.

Rafale has slightly better off-boresight capability with MICA-IR and HMDS support.

Rafale still edges out due to higher thrust-to-weight and more refined handling.