Evidence : IAF Rafale Jet Shot Down

Yes, there is no doubt about the geopolitical impact, it has been massive. The tactical aspect is just something we ought to be careful about before coming to a conclusion.

Per official/ semi-official sources, the targets were only engaged when they released pay loads, that would suggest, those shot down were in A2G config (though the Rafale is tauted as being Omni-role, but lets leave that aside for now). However, this official version doesnt make sense if interpreted as 'those very same aircraft that released the payloads', for a maltitude of reasons: matching munitions dropped versus target distances etc etc (its getting late, but its an easy triangulation). What is more likely in my opinion is the top cover of the respective packages that released payloads were engaged. In such a situation the presence of Su-30/ Mig-29 in Akhnoor would make sense. It would also imply the Rafale shot down could likely be a top cover configured with Meteor. If so, it would only mean ROE and intent assertation on both sides would play a large role in determining the outcome. Ofcourse, my knowledge is limited to DCS level, what additional cutting edge collab targeting, EW and its kinds played and their impact on this estimatorly calculus, I have no idea.
India does not have the source code for the Rafales and they can't be integrated with the Russian AWACS. So the BVR range of the meteors were limited. Pakistan has an integrated system, even if you are using Erieye, I am very sure we can customize the J10 to receive targeting data from the Eireye. Either that or you were using Chinese ground radars with link to the J10 for enhanced targeting range. The only explanation for a 5:0 or 3:0 or 2:0 kill is this, Indian planes were blind when the Pak planes targeted them. Not surpising coming from India, trying to 'system engineer' Israeli, American, Russian, French and 'local' weapons systems.
 
Upgrades are rushed, when upgrades are available. The French have felt no need to upgrade given the piss poor performance of Russian equipment. India's best short term bet is to apply the usual patch work solutions. Israeli jammer this, DRDO radio that.

Personally, I would not say that we have 100% confirmation of Pl-15 package superiority over IAF Meteor package. There were too many confounding variables in the first engagement, mostly to do with ROE, intent etc. The second battle will answer this question more definitively.
beg to differ, the match score is not 0:1, 1:1 but 0:5, 0:6, with at least one Rafale confirmed.
so despite the pilot skill, planning gap of two airforce, the message is clear, the Dragon is at least equally capable if not better.
 
The outcome of the aerial engagement has send a shock wave across the globe, there must be a hell of a show among those countries that is either equipping Rafale or in a negotiation stage, and those potential rival countries.

Beside the France themself and western world, other countries that I can think of like Gulf Arab, Egypt, Turkey with Greece, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, SK in some extent as their KF-21 are equipping meteor, from top to bottom, there must be some heated debate going on.

Yeah, Indonesia needs to focus on stealthy KF21 rather than adding Rafale or even buying F15 EX

Stealthy feature is good to mask the plane from AESA radar

Something that I have said since many years ago, but some Indonesians still naive and believe on Westerners, look like some of them are in the side of Westerners agenda
 
Indian gov hiding Rafale down among their people and Indians who believe to their mislead Indian government should be seen as strategic advantage of Pakistan

They will keep using their resources to buy 4 generation shape fighters with no opposition from their people

Just see how much they buy Rafale from latest Rafale deal with India, more like what Indonesian can buy 2 Rafale (F4) means only enough to buy 1 Rafale for Indian Armed Force

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Indonesia buy F4 variant, not down F3R variant bought by Indian Air Force

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JAKARTA, Feb 10 (Reuters) - Indonesia will order 42 Rafale fighter jets in a $8.1 billion deal, France's defence ministry said on Thursday, as part of a series of agreements also including submarine development and ammunition, making Jakarta the biggest French arms client in the region.10 Feb 2022

 
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Yeah, Indonesia needs to focus on stealthy KF21 rather than adding Rafale or even buying F15 EX

Stealthy feature is good to mask the plane from AESA radar

Something that I have said since many years ago, but some Indonesians still naive and believe on Westerners, look like some of them are in the side of Westerners agenda
At least things could possibly be totally different on that Rafale, 20KM away from her airbase, around 90KM from the border, which means it was lockon from 100KM+ away, I believed a stealth platform would make a significant difference, all those ads for active stealth SPECTRA.
 
Indian gov hiding Rafale down among their people and Indians who believe to their mislead Indian government should be seen as strategic advantage of Pakistan

They will keep using their resources to buy 4 generation shape fighters with no opposition from their people

Just see how much they buy Rafale from latest Rafale deal with India, more like what Indonesian can buy 2 Rafale (F4) means only enough to buy 1 Rafale for Indian Armed Force

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Indonesia buy F4 variant, not down F3R variant bought by Indian Air Force

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JAKARTA, Feb 10 (Reuters) - Indonesia will order 42 Rafale fighter jets in a $8.1 billion deal, France's defence ministry said on Thursday, as part of a series of agreements also including submarine development and ammunition, making Jakarta the biggest French arms client in the region.10 Feb 2022

Stop wasting money on Western branded ware. Chinese EVs were ridiculed by Musk, he isn't laughing anymore now. I hope people see a pattern here, US is laughing at C919, but once the CJ1000 engine is implemented, and enough domestic orders come, we will start puching this globally, in 10 years time, we might see quite a number of C919/C929 users globally. Same with J10, we were ridiculed by Indians, and even Pakistan were skeptical until they tested the C version during trainings. They know the capabilities of Chinese weapons. After this recent Rafale deepseek moment, we will see perceptions change.
 
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I pray that Allah we have sinned and ask your forgiveness and request you, that If our time has come, permit us give our lives in your service and in the service of Pakistan.

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Sometimes I don't understand whether these "think tank" types twitter accounts are just posers or the real deal.
This post is simultaneously claiming that neither side crossed into the other's airspace and was having a BVR slug fest ..and yet claiming dogfights?
It means a BVR dogfight..yes this is an era of BVR dogfight where you fire and avoid BVRd with high kinetic maneuvers
 
All other IAF assets are outranged by factors of 1.5 atleast even without PL-15
Probably they were escorted by rafales...iaf doesnt has anything else ..
Mirages might have been the one with pay loads escorted by rafales
 

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