Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

The attack over these targets seems to have lost its meaning to many people.

The attack across the entire Pakistan was at many kinds of targets. Few runways, hangars and deeply buried hardened shelters all across was display of capability to strike accurately and hit anything.
If IAF really wanted there were atleast 5-6 aircraft parked in open at Nur Khan.

PAF did good but IAF had a lot to show for themselves.
circular logic is never ending in your crappy, non-sensical and boastful posts.

At the one hand, you are saying, we targeted AWACS hangers then, you are saying, we did not target C-130s. How these two do not cancel out each other?!
 
Both the purported ideas have been done and dusted.
1965 Op Gibraltar was Paksiatn’s effort to create that situation in Kashmir. We know the outcome.
Khalistan movement is long gone.
I see a lot of people here professing that Sikhs are about to start a revolution here.

Nothing can be farther from truth. Unlike in the past any active attempt by Pakistan to stoke a fire in these religions are likely to elicit a disproportionate response from Modi.
The usual answer is likely to be - we are not scared.
A little prudence may be in order in this regard.
Not scared but Vikrant hides in port and Rafales deploy to the chicken's neck.

Not interested in third party involvement in our internal affairs but Shashi uncle despatched urgently to Colombia for support.

Either you believe in your own propaganda, in which case you're deluded, or you know you're lying, in which case you're a bad liar.
 
The attack over these targets seems to have lost its meaning to many people.

The attack across the entire Pakistan was at many kinds of targets. Few runways, hangars and deeply buried hardened shelters all across was display of capability to strike accurately and hit anything.
If IAF really wanted there were atleast 5-6 aircraft parked in open at Nur Khan.

PAF did good but IAF had a lot to show for themselves.

Not lost its meaning but hopefully will lead to a "no restraints" for next time.
That would be a lesson learned which is absolutely critical for next time.
There is simply no more room for such complacency
 
Just curious what happens to the pilots of some of those damaged planes. If they recover fully, do they still get to fly again? Or relegated to ground duties then

Depends on their injuries.
 
International media was taken to Balakot after about 2 months. I am sure India will organize a media visit to all those bases in coming months.


A rocket artillery with 300KG + of warhead. And we are supposed to believe it will not leave big craters in the bases or where ever they hit.. If these had hit the airbases or military bases, damage would have surely been seen in satellite images.


I usually try to stay clear of Indian trolls but couldnt help giving a lesson in history to @Vox Non Dei ....

I mean you gotto be stupid to making all these nonsense claims....for the reminder in today's world of camers and setallites one cannot hide the truth for too long.


Sneaking in and destroying mosques and civilian structures is no bravery. Pakistan had warned and evacuated targets it feared Indian would attack so there was no "400 terrorists" killed.....

Indians fired 300 hightech missiles on Pakistan in May and released 8 pictures of demaged air fields/ structures (2 with craters on the runway) including civilian strip used by UAE ruler in Rahim Yaar Khan......This is their grand claim to victory...

One building at noor khan which could possibly be rebuilt for a caror Rs or two.....Empty Corrugated steel hangers hit at two bases (while planes are safely parked in HAS) which will be replaced in 2-3 weeks but yet loosing over a billion dollars worth of planes and few trillion dollars worth of prestige is worth the fight for them....so be it.


As for the balakot strike here is some lesson in history....listen and watch this short video ...NOT FROM PAKISTAN to see how you guys were humiliated then....





Eat your humiliation...this is from Reuters....


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Here is an excellent piece......




"The Kashmir clash has demonstrated not only the high level of professionalism shown by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) but also the emerging quality of Chinese-manufactured jets and missiles."

The National

Jet jamming: Fighter plane future rests on mastering electronic warfare​

Defence companies urgently study shooting down of French-made fighters by Pakistan​


Thomas Harding
Thomas Harding

May 30, 2025






The ferocity of the shots fired in the recent India-Pakistan conflict have quietened but the skirmish is already having an impact on global air forces.

Jamming devices are now considered essential, experts have told The National. A major investigation among Western powers is under way to understand how potentially three French-built Rafales were lost to Pakistan's Chinese made J-10Cs, alongside the worrying development of long-range aerial warfare.


As Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is proving, it’s not the alluring curved lines of missiles that are essential to survival, but the energy emitted from unseen weapons.

“Operating in high-threat environments, electronic warfare (EW) is a must have, it's not an optional extra any more if you're going to survive in contested airspace,” said Gareth Jennings, air power editor of Janes, the defence intelligence company.

As the Ukraine and Gaza conflicts are also demonstrating, modern warfare is evolving at rapid speeds among many weapons systems, with survival dependent on innovation and skill. It should be a wake-up call to nations that need to upgrade their aircraft defences with EW, a British military source said.


Pakistan Air Force pilots attend a ceremony with the country's Prime Minister, Shehbaz Sharif. AFP


Aerial prowess

The Kashmir clash has demonstrated not only the high level of professionalism shown by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) but also the emerging quality of Chinese-manufactured jets and missiles. The ability of the Pakistanis to operate a complex defence using airborne and ground radar co-ordinating its fighters has already unnerved Western onlookers.

“The West now knows it faces an extremely capable, integrated air and missile defence and it is also clear that China in the air domain is probably sliding ahead of Russia,” said Frank Ledwidge, a former military intelligence officer. The ability of the PAF’s J-10C fighters and “beyond visual range” PL-15E missiles that took down potentially five Indian air force fighters at a distance of more than 100km, has been noted.

Once fired, the PL-15E is blasted by a rocket booster to hypersonic speed of Mach 5 (6,200kph) then guided on to its target by the J-10C fighter’s radar. In the closing stages, it switches to its Aesa (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar with a second burst of speed being injected 10km from a target, making it difficult to evade.

It is unclear if the older generation Indian Rafales were fitted with Aesa that could have allowed them to jam both the Pakistan fighter and the missile in its closing stages with a beam of focused electronic noise. There is also a suggestion that India was totally unprepared for the level of sophistication facing them, with all their aircraft shot down over home territory where they possibly thought they were safe.

Russia's Palantin-K electronic warfare system. AP


Worried West

The incident is prompting reassessments for major defence companies, not only for Dassault, which makes the Rafale, but also the European manufacturers of Typhoon and US aircraft companies. “There’s a lot of work from an intelligence perspective, trying to understand the capability in terms of the missiles, their range and speed and therefore why the air defences didn't work or didn't prevent it,” a leading defence company insider told The National.

Vital to understanding the losses will be how the Rafale’s electronic warfare systems worked and the skill of the pilots using them. Like the Typhoon, the Rafale is called a “4.5 generation” fighter, highly capable with good defensive measures and a proven operational capability, but until this month operating against countries without serious air power.

Essential to the Rafale’s survival against missiles such as the PL-15 are its Spectra (Self-Protection Equipment Countering Threats to Rafale Aircraft) jamming system to protect it against missiles.

An RAF Typhoon fighter jet. PA


It is not known to what extent India has Spectra, or if it was used during the engagement, “but in terms of the Pakistani capabilities, "it certainly shows that they're not inferior to the Indian Air Force in any way,” Mr Jennings said.

While India has an earlier version of the aircraft, analysts have stated that the newest F4 variant has greater range, better weapons and significantly more cyber capabilities, and with the Spectra even more jamming power making it “more defendable” against missiles such as the PL-15.

Air advantage

The Typhoon will also soon be equipped with the Leonardo-designed Mark Two Radar, which can fire “pulses of energy against surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles” that would give it greater capability, said military analyst Francis Tusa, editor of Defence Eye. However, he argued that the Rafale F5 model, coming into service in 2028, has also got “really serious connectivity” that would arguably be greater than the US made F-35.

Which introduces the argument that the 4.5 generation fighters might, with the right EW suites, fare as well as the stealth technology of aircraft such as the F-35, which largely rely on radar cloaking to prevent attacks. Once locked-on by a missile it is largely down to pilot skill to avoid destruction, as apparently demonstrated by a US F-35 pilot targeted by a Houthi missile in the recent conflict.

A PL-15 missile. Wikimedia Commons


None invincible

Both Typhoon and Rafale have been on combat operations across the Middle East and North Africa, from Libya to Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and Mali, without any losses. But Rafale has been the only one involved in air-to-air combat. The key now for all countries with expensive 4.5 generation aircraft, costing around $120 million each, will be to equip them for what modern warfare is throwing at them at pace.

“None of these aircraft are invincible, and there's absolutely no reason why a Rafale competently handled using good tactics and a decent pilot shouldn't take down a J-10 or any other aircraft,” said Mr Jennings. Ultimately it is going to be down to small fractions of technological edge or pilot skill that ensures survivability in future aerial combat.

Updated: May 30, 2025, 10:37 AM`
 
their military is not able to confront the govt....hence they got forced into a confrontation with Pakistan......if they had any clout they would've refused to comply to modi for his election drama
ab to chalo modi ka vote bank fill hogaya. Literal democratic dictatorship
 
The attack over these targets seems to have lost its meaning to many people.

The attack across the entire Pakistan was at many kinds of targets. Few runways, hangars and deeply buried hardened shelters all across was display of capability to strike accurately and hit anything.
If IAF really wanted there were atleast 5-6 aircraft parked in open at Nur Khan.

PAF did good but IAF had a lot to show for themselves.
If IAF wanted...... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
and for all those who are gonna give some baseless facts to this message your CDS's face shows the whole result
 
The attack over these targets seems to have lost its meaning to many people.

The attack across the entire Pakistan was at many kinds of targets. Few runways, hangars and deeply buried hardened shelters all across was display of capability to strike accurately and hit anything.
If IAF really wanted there were atleast 5-6 aircraft parked in open at Nur Khan.

PAF did good but IAF had a lot to show for themselves.

Thank you for showing us this capability. Alot of things for us to study. Which ones we were able to successfully intercept and why. Which ones we couldn't and why. And what do we need to further improve the interception rate.

Perhaps the ones we actually intercepted really were headed to more critical setups. So it's not like you only wanted to send a signal proving the capability. You wanted something on ground to balance the losses in air. However, not much success in that.

On the other hand, the absence of real data in respect of our cruise missile will keep the puzzle alive for you while preparing for the next conflict.

Disagreed on last point again, had it not been the SSMs, the IAF had a very little to show.
 

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