Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Gorgin Khan]

What do you mean what do 'i" want? Iran's objective is to stop Israel from annihlating Iranian economy and nuclear program. Israeli objective is the latter + survive as a state + regime change as an optional bonus within two weeks.

Did you read my post? Where did I say Iran has to march to Jerusalem?

I literally said Iran can sustain a higher rate of attrition than Israel

Clearly state the objectives Iran has.

Defending its nuclear program? The Israelis have already bombed Iranian nuclear sites multiple times. The Israelis are currently just doing small surface attacks on underground facilities but can escalate all the way to use of nukes from Jericho 2/3, that is assuming Americans (who made it clear Iran cannot have nuke) aren't dragged into the conflict. The Israelis have also been killing Iranian scientists with impunity well before the conflict started so rebuilding is not as easy as it seems.

Will of civilians is weak, but militaries are trained to deal with morale loss in war.

Not a single Israeli soldier has even been killed yet.

You say that the strikes on Tel Aviv demoralize Israelis, sure, but the strikes on Tehran also demoralized Iranians, did you read this thread earlier? If anything Israeli settlers couldn't care less if the land they stole is attacked, they can always run back to Europe.

Iran seeks to defend its nuclear capabilities. To do that it has to stop Israeli attacks on Iranian soil. To do that it must degrade IDF strike capabilities which it hasn't. It's too early to declare Iranian defeat but also too early to declare Israel's downfall has begun lol.

Israel is avoiding hitting too hard in hopes of initiating a regime change, once that changes and Iran starts sending larger waves then the real war begins.

Let's wait a week or so and see. If Iran can eliminate Israeli AD, and then move to Israeli AF targets, It will be a significant event.

Israeli soldiers are conscripts... So by that logic they are loosing lots of conscripts...... Can you tell me how many israeli soldiers died in gaza ....? You will never know.... Israel fight wars with propaganda ........ Can u tell me why israel wasnt able to kill bashar in 10 years...... Most of iranian commanders were killed because of their own stupidity and israeli agents flying drones within iran...........If the war prolongs do you think iran will have no air defence???? How many Israeli planes flew over tehran??? mostly they are using iraqi and syrian airspace to launch at targets.......

Do you think iran is not rebuilding its air defence ?? Do you think iran has anything else to loose economically while they are sanctioned to the teeth ??? Do you think all of iranian AD is destroyed ?? Coming to airforce , with current Budgest iran could have expensive planes or a big ballistic missile program , they chose the later .... Rather than fly to the target they are targeting israelis with impunity sitting in their homes within 6 minutes. Although iran should build a good airforce but iran wouldnt have thousands of baliistic missiles if they have went that way.Secondly do you think it would have been possible to fly across 4 countries bomb israel and come back safely.Your whole calculus is wrong. Iran should get an airforce ... But i do believe iran has active air defence which is still working and will come out once all the mossad agents are wiped out. Actually the missile attacks are quite costly for israelis , lets see how long can they survive this.. if being a small country is advantage of israel it is also disadvantage because it could be devastated only by using ballistic missiles and crippling there infrustructural and supply nodes.....

Lastly iraninan nuclear infrustructure is intact .So why isnt israel able to destroy it , even while having superior airforce and absolute dominance in skies ???

P.S You can only fight with what you have . You cant fight with what you dont have ....

 

[Falcon29]

Israeli's are now trying to claim the US embassy was targeted (it wasn't, the US embassy is in Jerusalem ).

It shows their desperation to drag the US in the war to fight it. Israeli civilians can't even handle two nights of strikes. They believe they're so superior to everyone that white Europeans need to die for them and absorb the damages in the war.

So that Tel Aviv can be spared. Imagine you're American and you support that. You're truly an idiot.

 

[RescueRanger]

Israeli's are now trying to claim the US embassy was targeted (it wasn't, the US embassy is in Jerusalem ).

It shows their desperation to drag the US in the war to fight it. Israeli civilians can't even handle two nights of strikes. They believe they're so superior to everyone that white Europeans need to die for them and absorb the damages in the war.

So that Tel Aviv can be spared. Imagine you're American and you support that. You're truly an idiot.

Well whatever they are blabbering it's got peoples ears perked up, what can you expect from a nation of professional liars.

 

[mulj]

Keep going Iran. KEEP FUCKING GOING.

Now is time for China to step in, Iran showed resilience and capability what they need is support and protection from america intervention.
Some public flights from China will do and send adequate message, that or Iran will be forced in case of american intervention to go full berserk and regional destruction with global consequences.

 

[Gripen9]

Somebody with a Squirrel Profile pic and 300K followers saying that "they" are gonna destroy Iran. I bet even the Martians are trembling. Very Legit !

why are you bashing Iran based on such a random nobody tweet ?

He very accurately called out how the nuclear talks will play out. First to say this whole Trump/Netanyahu supposed fight is drama. They are on the same page. Has been banned and shadow banned multiple time on X.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Well whatever they are blabbering it's got peoples ears perked up, what can you expect from a nation of professional liars.

*cough* Ahem........I'm an American (though accused of being an Indian Wahhabi troll whatever that is). My view is; Israel started this. Let them and Iran punch each other silly until they've decided they've had enough. Each side can only puff their 56" chests for so long.

Got enough problems here at home without having to run off and deal with someone else's. We need to sit one out for awhile.

 

[SecularNationalist]

After all this tit for tat I believe only Americans and Britain’s will support Israel, Europe maybe scratch there head and shake head but

I guess either it got hacked or operator was fucking pissed and went into suicidal mood. He was like mai to dooba hu sanam tum sab ko sath mai le dobo ga

Hey iran is claiming that it hacked the system to be used against israel..

 

[PakShaheen_79]

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[Falcon26]

*cough* Ahem........I'm an American (though accused of being an Indian Wahhabi troll whatever that is). My view is; Israel started this. Let them and Iran punch each other silly until they've decided they've had enough. Each side can only puff their 56" chests for so long.

Got enough problems here at home without having to run off and deal with someone else's. We need to sit one out for awhile.

The US will ultimately join, one way or another, an I suspect that will happen sooner than most people realize. Israel can’t sustain these hits for more than 2-5 days.

 

[OldTwilight]

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[Gripen9]

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[mulj]

By your logic, no aircraft should ever use their radar because they would be shot down. Aircraft radar and EW suite exist for a purpose, especially the latest gen.



Limited coverage over key sites is better than zero coverage right now.
Plus aircraft can be moved around the country at will. This will also render useless any data collected from their previous location.

You are rigth, it is all they need, limited key areas around biggest cities and strategic objects to be protected from unpunished air attacks. They will not cover desserts and mountain constellations.

 

[RescueRanger]

Now is time for China to step in, Iran showed resilience and capability what they need is support and protection from america intervention.
Some public flights from China will do and send adequate message, that or Iran will be forced in case of american intervention to go full berserk and regional destruction with global consequences.

Israel's actions have pushed Russia, China and Turkiye together as the trio all fear US/western hegemony in the region. Russia and China have no appetite to taking overt action like providing weapons to Iran, their support will be more subtle and diplomatic.

Lets start with Iran's most powerful ally - Russia:

Russia will NOT allow the "regime " change wet-dream being proposed. But Russia is also close to Israel and regardless of what people think, the Kremlin has very good chemistry with Israel.

Russia has no military treaty with Iran but does have a strategic economic and cultural treaty with Iran, Russia and Iran have balanced relations - Russia is trying to improve relations with the US, Russia doesn't want to undermine its relations with Israel (even after Israel and US transferred Patriot batteries to Ukraine - it stayed sweet with Israel).

Moscow has a role to play in conjunction with Beijing to help as intermediaries or guarantors. If there is an agreement, Russia and China WILL be key players in rebuilding the Iranian Economy (you will see this happen).

Because the real struggle will come for Iran after the conflict - the rebuilding phase.

China:
China will give the same neutral "call for calm" "peace" statement all very business like - Obstacle in the ME - China may be the "big loser" in the changes in the region here - because China's main objective is grow the Anti Western sphere of influence.

China's primary interests are "low cost" energy supply and it has no interest in projecting its military power in the region - the Chinese are businessmen, they will adopt the political route and aim to prevent instability in Iran that will undoubtedly occur if there were a forced regime change.

[Not good for either China or Russia strategically], if oil prices go up - and the Saudi Aramco shares went up today by 1.73%.

Turkiye:
Leaving Turkiye, I seriously double they will offer any material support but Turkiye sees Iran as a Frenemy, as Iranian members here will know Ankara and Tehran both have been very competitive in Syria. Iran's peaceful nuclear program poses no threat to Turkiye, however if Iran were to develop a credible nuclear weapon program, Turkiye may pivot towards the language of its western partners.

I do think that where Turkiye will find cause will be to prevent Israel's ambitions for forced violent regime change.

Turkish foreign policy has been conservative - and is sceptical of forceful regime change, specially from "aboard" poses geopolitical risk for Turkiye, so they will oppose this and support Iran. Turkiye also fears undocumented human migration if Iran is destabilised.
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Iran stands much to gain by siding with China in the long term.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

The US will ultimately join, one way or another, an I suspect that will happen sooner than most people realize. Israel can’t sustain these hits for more than 2-5 days.

You're probably going to be right and I'm going to be wrong.

Nor do I think can Iran. I admire the enthusiasm of everyone here for Iran's abilities but I'm also a realist. If this thing escalates like I think it can and probably will, this is going to get real ugly.

 

[mulj]

Israel's actions have pushed Russia, China and Turkiye together as the trio all fear US/western hegemony in the region. Russia and China have no appetite to taking overt action like providing weapons to Iran, their support will be more subtle and diplomatic.

Lets start with Iran's most powerful ally - Russia:

Russia will NOT allow the "regime " change wet-dream being proposed. But Russia is also close to Israel and regardless of what people think, the Kremlin has very good chemistry with Israel.

Russia has no military treaty with Iran but does have a strategic economic and cultural treaty with Iran, Russia and Iran have balanced relations - Russia is trying to improve relations with the US, Russia doesn't want to undermine its relations with Israel (even after Israel and US transferred Patriot batteries to Ukraine - it stayed sweet with Israel).

Moscow has a role to play in conjunction with Beijing to help as intermediaries or guarantors. If there is an agreement, Russia and China WILL be key players in rebuilding the Iranian Economy (you will see this happen).

Because the real struggle will come for Iran after the conflict - the rebuilding phase.

China:
China will give the same neutral "call for calm" "peace" statement all very business like - Obstacle in the ME - China may be the "big loser" in the changes in the region here - because China's main objective is grow the Anti Western sphere of influence.

China's primary interests are "low cost" energy supply and it has no interest in projecting its military power in the region - the Chinese are businessmen, they will adopt the political route and aim to prevent instability in Iran that will undoubtedly occur if there were a forced regime change.

[Not good for either China or Russia strategically], if oil prices go up - and the Saudi Aramco shares went up today by 1.73%.

Turkiye:
Leaving Turkiye, I seriously double they will offer any material support but Turkiye sees Iran as a Frenemy, as Iranian members here will know Ankara and Tehran both have been very competitive in Syria. Iran's peaceful nuclear program poses no threat to Turkiye, however if Iran were to develop a credible nuclear weapon program, Turkiye may pivot towards the language of its western partners.

I do think that where Turkiye will find cause will be to prevent Israel's ambitions for forced violent regime change.

Turkish foreign policy has been conservative - and is sceptical of forceful regime change, specially from "aboard" poses geopolitical risk for Turkiye, so they will oppose this and support Iran. Turkiye also fears undocumented human migration if Iran is destabilised.
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Iran stands much to gain by siding with China in the long term.

For this particular moment real time inteligence and data sharing would be great start and boost for containing damage and limiting attacks, that can be done both by russia and china.
On strategic level what China can do without any risk for them self is to ask Teheran what kind of materials and tools they need to restore their AD network by them self in fastest possible time.