Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Even though this fight is getting ugly on both sides there seems to be a no kicking each other's balls (Demona and Bushehr) rule. Two active nuke plants seem for now to be off limits probably both nations getting an outside threat if they do it.
 
arjunk said:
It was actually GCC who first applied pressure for ceasefire, then indian duffers sent Israeli drones to attack our cities leaving us no choice but to retaliate in addition to downing 5 jets + 1 UAV.
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I don't want to take this off optic but please check out my latest post in the 'Next in line ?' thread to see what I think happened.
 
AZ_HighCountry said:
Maybe. Maybe not. Reports of 80-100M of granite and structures with 10M thick concrete?

I'm absolutely confident the mission planners are working overtime with the simulations.
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Realistically. USA can enter into Iran's airspace uncontested after a massive barrage.

They can then proceed to drop at the same location many times. It would definitely have an impact. I do not underestimate US military capability. They have already prepared themselves for the fallout.

I hope for once, Trump uses his brains because Iran has shown to be resilient. In this on week, it has proven that if it were to go down, it will go down fighting. USA just need to stay out of it.
 
Hayabusa said:
Iran has undeniably established itself as a missile power in the region, excelling in both ballistic and hypersonic technologies- despite heavy sanctions and immense challenges.

Some of us have criticized Iran for lacking a capable air force and modern air defense systems. But perhaps the Iranian military understood that competing in those areas was unrealistic, given Israel's overwhelming superiority. Instead, they pursued a strategy centered on missile development-a path that requires less maintenance and allows for mass production. That strategy now appears to be yielding results. As it was once said "quantity is also a form of quality".

Hopefully, Pakistan is observing this closely and taking steps to diversify its own capabilities, particularly by building up a stockpile of hypersonic missiles.
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Imagine having a strong AD with Awacs backed bvr capable jets denying airspace over Iraq, Syria, Jordan.

You can raise F35 to some unbeatable untouchable marvelesque / avengers status, but it will also need to take on evasive measures if it detects a couple of bvrs coming its way. Iran's prowess with HGVs and ballistics means they can develop capable SAM/AAM, just need a suitable delivery platform. Plus its not like the sky is full of F35s only. There are other prized assets you can take out. You can achieve local air superiority theaters (Swift Retort, 2019), and use older 3rd gen planes to achieve strategic objectives.

Invest in every possible defensive/offensive weapon, and maintain a healthy balance. Should pakistan stop investing in its AF now that we're a nuclear state?
 
Now, give me a strike plan for this facility....no one knows the layout exactly, only educated guesses from what they gleaned from the IAEA suckers.

See.....not that easy to put a MOP down any hole and take it out.
 

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Hayabusa said:
Realistically. USA can enter into Iran's airspace uncontested after a massive barrage.

They can then proceed to drop at the same location many times. It would definitely have an impact. I do not underestimate US military capability. They have already prepared themselves for the fallout.

I hope for once, Trump uses his brains because Iran has shown to be resilient. In this on week, it has proven that if it were to go down, it will go down fighting. USA just need to stay out of it.
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As I posted earlier, the meeting he had with Field Marshal Munir must have influenced him greatly. These days, 2 weeks is a long time when people, especially here, were predicting something by the weekend.

Me included.
 
Israel is now using 40-60 jets a day to fire 100-120 munitions on about 20 or so targets in Iran.

Israel cannot come close the firepower it deployed on day one. Remains to be seen if they can keep this pace up for one more week.

Or will show up even weaker. Iran may have struck a airbase or two and Israel would keep it secret and try repairing quickly.
 
not_ahk said:
Imagine having a strong AD with Awacs backed bvr capable jets denying airspace over Iraq, Syria, Jordan.

You can raise F35 to some unbeatable untouchable marvelesque / avengers status, but it will also need to take on evasive measures if it detects a couple of bvrs coming its way. Iran's prowess with HGVs and ballistics means they can develop capable SAM/AAM, just need a suitable delivery platform. Plus its not like the sky is full of F35s only. There are other prized assets you can take out. You can achieve local air superiority theaters (Swift Retort, 2019), and use older 3rd gen planes to achieve strategic objectives.

Invest in every possible defensive/offensive weapon, and maintain a healthy balance. Should pakistan stop investing in its AF now that we're a nuclear state?
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The key difference between Iran and Pakistan lies in the level of sanctions imposed. Iran faces extremely heavy sanctions, making it nearly impossible for them to acquire jet fighters or the technology from other countries. Moreover, they lack the independent capability to develop such aircraft. Even Pakistan, with far fewer restrictions, had to rely on China for producing the JF-17.


On top of that, maintaining a capable air force is an entire ecosystem—it requires extensive pilot training, tactical development, and a wide range of support systems. It’s far more complex and costly than it appears.


We have to be realistic. Given their limitations, this was Iran’s most viable option and the results speak for themselves. They are still capable of inflicting serious damage on Israel.

Despite all this, I do agree that they need to develop their airforce after this conflict through learning from Pakistan's experience in the 90s.
 
AZ_HighCountry said:
As I posted earlier, the meeting he had with Field Marshal Munir must have influenced him greatly. These days, 2 weeks is a long time when people, especially here, were predicting something by the weekend.

Me included.
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If USA strikes Iran by this weekend, then it proves that Munir was just on a paid vacation.
 
The SC said:
Trump at the National Security Council meeting in the operations room on the Israeli -Iranian war: 🤣

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Looks like an old video -- or he has lost a lot of weight in a couple days.
 
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